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Rush Got It Wrong. Sandra Fluke In Her Own Words

Paschendale said:
I always liked how Ms. Fluke was portrayed as promiscuous and slutty, despite the truth she is married and presumably only having sex with her husband. One would assume that they as a couple have decided that they don't want children right now.
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If that's their decision then why they can't as a couple purchase their own birth control?
 
Neal N. Bloeme said:
If that's their decision then why they can't as a couple purchase their own birth control?
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The question begs to be asked, why don't men that can't get it up pay for their own Viagra?
 
mertex said:
The question begs to be asked, why don't men that can't get it up pay for their own Viagra?
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ED is a health issue. I don't know of anyone paying for any man's ED medication.

So why can't Sandra and her husband pay for their own birth control?
 
Daktoria said:
Does every woman have ovarian cysts?
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One in every 10-15 has Polycystic overy syndrome ( PCOS)

10%-15% of women have Endometriosis.

Here are some of the medical reasons women use birth control pills:

Pill perk #1: Lower cancer risk
Pill perk #2: Clearer skin
Pill perk #3: Lighter, less painful periods
Pill perk #4: PMS relief
Pill perk #5: Endometriosis relief
Pill perk #7: Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) relief

Other Reasons to Take the Pill
 
minnie616 said:
One in every 10-15 has Polycystic overy syndrome ( PCOS)

10%-15% of women have Endometriosis.

Here are some of the medical reasons women use birth control pills:

Pill perk #1: Lower cancer risk
Pill perk #2: Clearer skin
Pill perk #3: Lighter, less painful periods
Pill perk #4: PMS relief
Pill perk #5: Endometriosis relief
Pill perk #7: Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) relief

Other Reasons to Take the Pill
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:: DitchThePill.org :: Birth Control Pills are Dangerous Drugs
 
buck said:
The left talks as if it's some huge percentage of women that use BC for reasons other than getting pregnant. Only about 14% use the pill to prevent cysts and the like. The remaining 86% use the pill to prevent pregnancy. Requiring religious organizations to cover the pill for the vast majority is, as Rush said, paying them to have sex. I agree, if we have to pay them to have sex, we better get some videographic proof.
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I think you forgot to add some other health reason for taking BC pills.
15% of women take BC pills for Endometriosis
Others take BC pills to lower cancer Risks and for PMS relief.
 
minnie616 said:
One in every 10-15 has Polycystic overy syndrome ( PCOS)

10%-15% of women have Endometriosis.

Here are some of the medical reasons women use birth control pills:

Pill perk #1: Lower cancer risk
Pill perk #2: Clearer skin
Pill perk #3: Lighter, less painful periods
Pill perk #4: PMS relief
Pill perk #5: Endometriosis relief
Pill perk #7: Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) relief

Other Reasons to Take the Pill
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All this is true. And thanks for taking the time to post this important information.

However, The Catholic Church supports the use of BCP's when prescribed for these reasons AND Georgetown University's student health insurace covers them as well (per Ms. Fluke's testamony). Considering this your point is mute related to the OP.
 
minnie616 said:
Others take BC pills to lower cancer Risks and for PMS relief.
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Then take a baby aspirin daily. Oh wait.. Does that mean that insurance companies should now start covering all aspirins?
 
buck said:
Then take a baby aspirin daily. Oh wait.. Does that mean that insurance companies should now start covering all aspirins?
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That's right... gubamint owe me asprin now... free... as much as I want because it has to be covered under Obamacare. Pelosi said the Declaration of Impedance says so.


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I'm a medical marijuana patient and I'm retired. I demand the Govt buy my seeds and maintain my plants for me. I also want the govt to supply me with Levitra because my previous alcohol use led to heart trouble and diabetes, so I need help maintaining an erection. I also want an automatic ass wiper because I think my butt is drooping and I can't reach it unless I bend over, and my back hurts for days if I do that.....etc, etc, etc.
 
Neal N. Bloeme said:
I'm a medical marijuana patient and I'm retired. I demand the Govt buy my seeds and maintain my plants for me. I also want the govt to supply me with Levitra because my previous alcohol use led to heart trouble and diabetes, so I need help maintaining an erection. I also want an automatic ass wiper because I think my butt is drooping and I can't reach it unless I bend over, and my back hurts for days if I do that.....etc, etc, etc.
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well I'm convinced:roll:

BTW I've actually been considered for a heart transplant.

The estimated costs in the first year alone are around 780k. Then 2 to 3 k per month just for the anti rejection drugs.
 
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Top Cat said:
I have always been a believer that the proof is in the pudding when it comes to one's education. Or in the case of some, lack thereof. There are many that doubt the veracity of Bush's education. I certainly am one of those. There are plenty of stories out there that would suggest he was less than studious. But that is all conjecture, rumor or innuendo.

What isn't conjecture however is humorous in its own way. But in my view, it is telling. The link supplied is a list, a VERY, VERY long list of comments made by Dubya that belie an Ivy League education.

Resumes can certainly be misleading.

Bushisms - Funny George Bush Quotes Updated Frequently
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The fact that you find that website to be a valuable source of information, certainly indicates your lack of education. I'll bet you have an MBA from Harvard Business School too, dontcha?
 
winston53660 said:
Im looking forward to going back to work through a government vocational rehabilitation program.
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That's great. I'm pulling for you, seriously. This is where I think all of us can agree where Govt does good.
 
American said:
The fact that you find that website to be a valuable source of information, certainly indicates your lack of education. I'll bet you have an MBA from Harvard Business School too, dontcha?
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Dat's waaaaaacist.
 
haymarket said:
Well the key word there is BELIEVE. There is no doubt that is what this is about. The right wing believing what they want to believe because they want to believe it. Reason and rtaional thought got off this train many stations ago.
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The President called Sandra Fluke because she was insulted by Rush. When is the President going to call Bristol Palin? She's been insulted numerous times.

We're not stupid.
 
Neal N. Bloeme said:
The President called Sandra Fluke because she was insulted by Rush. When is the President going to call Bristol Palin? She's been insulted numerous times.

We're not stupid.
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Perhaps we need a division of the house?
 
Dickieboy said:
All this is true. And thanks for taking the time to post this important information.

However, The Catholic Church supports the use of BCP's when prescribed for these reasons AND Georgetown University's student health insurace covers them as well (per Ms. Fluke's testamony). Considering this your point is mute related to the OP.
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There are ways the University's student health insurance can get around covering Birth Control for students who use BiC pills for medical needs.

Here is a <SNIP> from an article that points out sometimes even woman with medical conditions are not covered by a Catholic University's insurance ( In this case Fordham) because the university's clinic refuses to prescribe birth control even if the woman has a medical condition.

Unfortunately, even though we have contraceptive coverage thanks to the protections of New York state law, Fordham students still do not have access to affordable contraception.
This is because our health centers, where students with University insurance are meant to receive our primary and gynecological care, will not prescribe contraception. S

o, whether a student needs contraception to prevent pregnancy, treat a medical condition or both – she has to pay a $100 deductible to visit a doctor off-campus for a prescription – even if she already underwent a gynecological exam on-campus in the mistaken belief that Fordham provided standard care.
One hundred dollars on top of a monthly co payment is a significant barrier to practicing contraception for a student living on loans.
The experiences of women at Fordham show that though health exemptions from birth control bans may seem workable in theory, they are not in practice.

The Fordham health centers tell us they have a health exception, but , students report being turned away despite medical conditions some of them quite dangerous or painful.

Students have been refused contraception despite having endometriosis, severe acne, ovarian cysts, and a high risk of ovarian cancer.
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Despite State Birth Control Mandate, Fordham Law Students Lack Access to Affordable Contraception Even for Medical Reasons | RH Reality Check
 
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Now to be clear.

I am not advocating that birth control pills should be paid for by employers or insurance companies with no co-pays.

I do feel however when birth control pills are needed to treat or control medical conditions such as PCOS, and endometriosis the BC medications should be readily available with the same type of co-pay the insurance uses for diabetic meds, thyroid meds, erectile dysfuntion drugs, asthma drugs,etc.
 
minnie616 said:
There are ways the University's student health insurance can get around covering Birth Control for students who use BiC pills for medical needs.

Here is a <SNIP> from an article that points out sometimes even woman with medical conditions are not covered by a Catholic University's insurance ( In this case Fordham) because the university's clinic refuses to prescribe birth control even if the woman has a medical condition.



Despite State Birth Control Mandate, Fordham Law Students Lack Access to Affordable Contraception Even for Medical Reasons | RH Reality Check
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if this is true and they routinely deny contraception necessary to treat medical conditions that should be covered, that's a wrongful denial and the university's insurance company would be facing huge fines. Of course, this assumes it's true.

Secondly, if someone wants insurance that covers BC as contraception, why don't they just buy a policy that offers that? Why pay for insurance that doesn't cover what you want? Is it just so they can say "see, I can't get it. Make them give it to me now!"?

From their website:
Having adequate health insurance is highly recommended, but is not a requirement at Fordham University for domestic students in order to attend classes. The deadline to complete the Insurance Registration Process is October 13, 2011 for the Fall Semester and February 24, 2012 for Spring Semester.
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Here is what the actual insurance coverage at Fordham states:

Contraceptive Services Expense Benefit:​
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TheInsurer is required by law to offer this coverage andpay the Covered Percentage of the Covered Chargesfor Contraceptive Drugs and Devices. Such Drugs andDevices must be approved by the United States Foodand Drug Administration and prescribed legally by anauthorized health care provider. Covered services​
are subject to applicable copayments under the
Prescription Drug Benefit Plan. (Questionsconcerning these benefits should be addressed to theInsurer’s Third Party Administrator, Administrative​
Concepts, Inc.)
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buck said:
if this is true and they routinely deny contraception necessary to treat medical conditions that should be covered, that's a wrongful denial and the university's insurance company would be facing huge fines. Of course, this assumes it's true.

Secondly, if someone wants insurance that covers BC as contraception, why don't they just buy a policy that offers that? Why pay for insurance that doesn't cover what you want? Is it just so they can say "see, I can't get it. Make them give it to me now!"?

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Here is what the actual insurance coverage at Fordham states:
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Fordham University happens to be located in New York State.
The state of New York is one of 26 states that has mandated Birth Control insurance coverage.
I think the women who bought the university health insurance thought since Fordham was in New York the Fordham University Insurance would cover BC pills.

At least 26 states have laws requiring insurers that cover prescription drugs also provide coverage for any Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved contraceptive.
These states include: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. An additional two states—Michigan and Montana—require insurance coverage of contraceptives as a result of administrative ruling or an Attorney General opinion
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Insurance Coverage for Contraception State Laws
 
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