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Riot erupts in French town as veiled woman claims police brutality[W:125:219]

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However if this incident was at night then there is no excuse, they can eat and drink between sundown and sunrise.

There must not be many Muslims in Alaska. They'd starve in the summer.
 
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They're not doing a very good job, are they?

Well, they are certainly not a terrorist epicenter like Britain, nor turning into a fascist state like the U.K that allows no criticism of Islamism. Their laws regarding the wearing of the Burka show them to to be light years ahead of some other countries in Europe when it comes to the issue of assimilation vs multiculturalism.

Now, France certainly has a higher Muslim population than other western European nations, but as far as policies are concerned, at least they are trying to do SOMETHING to encourage assimilation.
 
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There must not be many Muslims in Alaska. They'd starve in the summer.

Or Antarctica, in Ramadan particularly - 6 months between sunrise and sundown. :mrgreen:
Maybe we should move all the islamophobes to Antarctica or in the islamophobes opinion, move all the muslims to Antarctica.
 
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Well, they are certainly not a terrorist epicenter like Britain, nor turning into a fascist state like the U.K that allows no criticism of Islamism.

We Cannot criticise islam



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We Cannot criticise islam



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But as the head of the BBC stated quite clearly -- Christianity is fair game.

How such double standards have become entrenched as thoroughly as they have is anybody's guess, but the mere fact that Mr Thompson can be so forthright about the bias is alarming in, and of itself. Have people really become so conditioned by all the relentless propaganda that few are willing to call b.s. on that one?
 
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We Cannot criticise islam



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Hmmmm
Christian Church opens doors to Muslims

On a bitterly cold and snowing afternoon in Aberdeen, the doors of St John's Episcopal Church are open to hundreds of Muslim worshippers, arriving for daily prayers.

The familiar sounds of Christian hymns have been replaced with Islamic prayer in the chapel this Friday lunchtime and the church priest with the imam from the neighbouring mosque.

Muslims from the Syed Shah Mustafa Jame Masjid mosque next door share this church with Christian worshippers up to five times a day.

Church leaders believe this may be the only place in the country where Christian and Muslim worshippers pray side by side.

The rector at St John's has opened his doors to Muslims because there was not enough space for them to pray in their own mosque and many were forced to worship outside on the street.

The Reverend Isaac Poobalan, who grew up in Southern India surrounded by Islam, said he would not have been true to his faith if he did not help his neighbours

BBC News - Christian Church opens doors to Muslims

and then



Scottish Church That Let Muslims In To Pray Hit By 'Satan' Abuse On Facebook
 
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PressTV - UK Muslims feed homeless


just to inject some normality into the thread. I have been critical of the British Muslim community recently but I know that the majority of practice their religion how it should be practiced how this is just another example of how British Muslims do have a future in the UK living side by side with everyone else.
 
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PressTV - UK Muslims feed homeless


just to inject some normality into the thread. I have been critical of the British Muslim community recently but I know that the majority of practice their religion how it should be practiced how this is just another example of how British Muslims do have a future in the UK living side by side with everyone else.

Ha ha ha..is it only the Muslim poor they feed??

Or as usual..or do you have to convert before eating??
 
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Ha ha ha..is it only the Muslim poor they feed??

Or as usual..or do you have to convert before eating??

No that is only in Christian churches and organisations.
 
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--The intention of the law was to give women a legal footing in a trial if they are assaulted by muslims for not wearing a burqa or if they are forced to wear a burqa by the muslim community. Of course, the application of the law, not only does it leave it unenforceable, but it's also poorly implemented.

I thought the original law banned face covering by anyone - not just muslims?

There was a discussion 3 years ago on this forum and quite a few commented that the law was on face coverings in general.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/76873-french-mps-vote-ban-islamic-full-veil-public.html

While the law banned face coverings and had a 150€ fine - it also forbade forcing anyone to wear things like niqabs and that carried a 30,000€ plus 1 year in jail for anyone forcing a woman to wear a face cover.

Les députés français votent l'interdiction du voile intégral - La Libre.be

-- Now on the matter of this riot.
It's just another riot...

Then all the more reason to deal with it in exactly the same way the French would deal with any other riot.

We Cannot criticise islam

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Of course we can. Do you never watch BBC 1 on a Sunday between 10 and 12?

Ha ha ha..is it only the Muslim poor they feed??

Or as usual..or do you have to convert before eating??

They've been doing this since 2008... how come you never heard of this before? And no, you don't have to convert or be a muslim.

Sarfraz Manzoor: How Muslim flashmobs can feed homeless people | World news | The Guardian
 
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On 14 July in Trappes two men insulted a veiled woman, one drawing a knife, before a man came to her aid.

The two, who reportedly had previously been involved in racist incidents, were jailed for two months and fined.

^How was this even relevant to the story?^
 
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Are some women who are in oppressive relationships being forced to wear Burqa? Yes, and that is disgusting.

But tell me how, by banning full veil in public, their lives are being made so better overall? Nothing changes for them other than they are quite possibly rarely allowed to leave their homes now. Taking off the Burqa whilst they go out to do the shopping doesn't make their oppressive relationships go away.

And yes, personal choice is a very real factor. Many wear them because they want to. Has anyone here ever spoken to someone wearing Niqab and asked them why it is they do so?

Not only that, but part of personal choice and responsibility is learning to navigate through such things. People of all manner of backgrounds do it everyday
 
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It is a stupid law but so long as the woman is consensually wearing the Burkha i'm ok with it, I don't like it, I would personally prefer them to wear a hijab if any muslim dress at all. However I won't stop a woman wearing a Burkha so long as she is ok with it. As far as I can see, its the French overreacting to something miniscule.

Why would any woman, or man for that matter, want to wear a sack over her head? It seems obvious that any person would have to be induced to do this, which is why few non-Muslim women bother with it.
 
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Are some women who are in oppressive relationships being forced to wear Burqa? Yes, and that is disgusting.

But tell me how, by banning full veil in public, their lives are being made so better overall? Nothing changes for them other than they are quite possibly rarely allowed to leave their homes now. Taking off the Burqa whilst they go out to do the shopping doesn't make their oppressive relationships go away.

And yes, personal choice is a very real factor. Many wear them because they want to. Has anyone here ever spoken to someone wearing Niqab and asked them why it is they do so?

In one paragraph it is a personal choice and in the other it isn't.

The fact is that there is no other symbol that signifies the second class status of women moreso than the burka.
 
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Why would any woman, or man for that matter, want to wear a sack over her head?
Let those that do, speak for themselves.

It doesn't matter whether you, i or anyone else dislikes it, the fact is there are women who DO choose to wear Niqab.

 
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Let those that do, speak for themselves.

It doesn't matter whether you, i or anyone else dislikes it, the fact is there are women who DO choose to wear Niqab.



Why would any woman choose to wear it? The fact is that you don't know whether these women are coerced into wearing it or not. What we do know is that no men wear it and it would never be suggested that they do.
 
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The police could have handled it more professionally. It's the fasting month for the muslims.

Well they are certainly fast to riot, and to burn property.

It smacks of a setup.
 
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Why would any woman choose to wear it?

Those particular women explained why they choose to wear it in the video i supplied. Did you watch it?

The fact is that you don't know whether these women are coerced into wearing it or not.

No Grant, the fact is at the end of the day, there are women who state that they are not coerced into wearing Niqab. I'm not disrespectful enough towards those who have differing views to mine to suggest that because they wear something i would not, that they must be lying when they say that are not being coerced even after they have clearly stated it's their choice in the video.
 
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Why would any woman, or man for that matter, want to wear a sack over her head? It seems obvious that any person would have to be induced to do this, which is why few non-Muslim women bother with it.

Induced as a child and as a result feel that they want to wear it. Indoctrination as a child. Unless of course they are happy to comply with the strictest guidelines of their religion.
 
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Well they are certainly fast to riot, and to burn property.

It smacks of a setup.

If this is true then **** the police.

Speaking to the Collective against Islamophobia in France (CCIF), she said, “They wanted to stop us because of my full-face veil. As usual, I cooperated. I was going to raise my veil when I saw one of the policemen violently push my mother.”

Police threatened her husband when he asked them to stop. Then, she continued, “Once the policeman was finished with my mother, he came towards me making big gestures in my face and speaking aggressively. Frightened, I asked him to be quiet. He then grabbed me by the veil at the level of my head and dragged me with monstrous force before slamming me onto the hood of the car, shouting, ‘Are you talking to me? Are you talking to me?’

“I turned around, and I saw two policemen holding my husband on the ground and handcuffing him. Once we were in the car, they shouted at us as if we were dogs. They threatened my husband with clenched fists, saying, ‘What are you going to do now, you little fag,’ and hitting him in the car. At the police station, the policemen insulted me, calling me a ghost.”

Riots hit Trappes, France after police arrest family of veiled Muslim woman - World Socialist Web Site
 
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Induced as a child and as a result feel that they want to wear it. Indoctrination as a child. Unless of course they are happy to comply with the strictest guidelines of their religion.

If you read the original thread I linked earlier - Arcana states in one post that French Muslims who wore the niqab were very much in the minority and that the French Muslim population was the most westernised and progressive muslim population at the time the law was brought in.

It could be the new arrivals she also mentioned who wore the niqab in their former countries or it could be women who now wear the garment out of defiance because a law has been enacted to stop them wearing it.
 
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No Grant, the fact is at the end of the day, there are women who state that they are not coerced into wearing Niqabthe video.

Especially when saying so leads to another beating, ostracism or condemnation.

Even among those exhibiting these Stockholm syndrome symptoms who have convinced themselves that wearing it is the groovy thing to do to avoid rape and whatnot, how are their statements any different from American house slaves in the 1840s saying they would rather be house slaves than free?

Gender slavery is gender slavery whether or not the slaves are content with it. This is a matter of an entire system of degradation rather than a true individual choice. If some women have such low self esteem that they allow men to beat them up, should we make it o.k. for men to beat up women?
 
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