- Joined
- Oct 18, 2007
- Messages
- 31,346
- Reaction score
- 19,889
- Location
- East Coast - USA
- Gender
- Undisclosed
- Political Leaning
- Centrist
I make my choices for me and/or my family. I do what I think is best.
You make your choices for you and/or your family. You do what you think is best.
I won't make your choices for you, and in return you won't make my choices for me.
It's that simple.
Works for religion, pregnancy, sex, marriage, marijuana....
Should there be a magical sky-fairy with a long white beard and busty little angels floating around him playing harps....we'll both have nobody else to answer for except ourselves.
Our actions and motivations will be our own.
Interestingly enough, most prochoice women would never choose abortion.
No - is a choice.
Why do you believe abortion is morally wrong?You know, I generally tend to agree with you, then you just seem compelled to add in the little religious dig at the end, as an insult to people who oppose abortion based on their religious beliefs. I do support choice, and I do believe abortion is morally wrong. I would never want to have an abortion, but that doesn't mean I expect other people to live up to my standards. Your post would have come across as much more agreeable if you had just left out the insults, because the main point is very well-reasoned. Sometimes, I just can't figure out the opposition to just having a discussion without all the insults and rhetoric from both sides.
You mean an 'option' like "will I have a potato with that steak or a salad?"
I think it's a good thing to say no to abortion.
Why do you believe abortion is morally wrong?
Because I believe a fetus is a human being.
Because I believe a fetus is a human being.
Actually it's not as simple as choosing a paint color or which piano teacher to go to.
The fetus is a member of your family who you're choosing to kill. The fetus is a member of your family who you've decided that you just don't want to deal with. The fetus is a member of your family who you've decided shouldn't have the opportunity to grow up. The fetus is a member of your family whose life is nothing to you. The fetus is a member of your family who you tell yourself is a just a blob of cells to make yourself feel better about killing him/her.
You're snuffing out the life of a member of your family. Why? It's selfish. It's cruel. It's disgusting. And it should be criminal.
But not enough of a human being to deserve legal protection?
In that situation, where there is mother and baby, one must take precedence over the other. Since it's the mother's body that created the baby, it is the mother who gets to make the choice. I don't like it that this choice is necessary, but it is, and I don't have to answer for what I believe is a morally wrong choice- she does.
So if a mother is about 6 months pregnant and she wants to kill her child then she should have that choice?In that situation, where there is mother and baby, one must take precedence over the other. Since it's the mother's body that created the baby, it is the mother who gets to make the choice. I don't like it that this choice is necessary, but it is, and I don't have to answer for what I believe is a morally wrong choice- she does.
So if a mother is about 6 months pregnant and she wants to kill her child then she should have that choice?
So if no laws were in place you would be alright with it being legal for a 8 month 3 week old baby in the womb to be aborted?I don't personally support late term abortion, or anything past 20 weeks, but it's a legal issue, and the laws have been passed.
So if no laws were in place you would be alright with it being legal for a 8 month 3 week old baby in the womb to be aborted?
And thus, the legal argument. From this standpoint, at best, abortion is manslaughter.
The best legal analogy is self defense against assault. Or would you divest yourself of the right to resist someone who was taking your blood and energy, compromising your immune system, and occupying space in your body without your consent? Even if they'll die if you don't, does their need really create a duty in you to risk yourself and sacrifice that much? Does a parent even HAVE to do that for their child? Forced transfusions against their will?
Self defense against assault does (or at least SHOULDNT) hold up if the victim created a situation in which such assault was inevitable in the first place. (See George Zimmerman)
But not enough of a human being to deserve legal protection?
It's not that simple. I'm pro choice, and I'm telling you, it's not simple at all. Never was, likely never will be. Leaving religion out, which further complicates things, the legal aspect is harsh.
Why am I pro choice? Do I not believe that abortion is murder? That taking a human life without his/her consent is wrong? I agree it's wrong. I also think it's wrong to tell me what sorta car I should drive in order to preserve our environment. I believe it's wrong to forcibly take money from me to pay for services, some of which I may or may not use.
In short? There's a lot of what I believe to be necessary evils out there, and abortion is one of them. I would prefer that it never be necessary. I would also like unicorns to graze in my back yard.
Simple?
Not at all.
Just because I accept this as being necessary, is by no means a requirement for all. Hell, I hope that I never have to cast a vote concerning this. Because I see the other side so well, it hurts.
But so does paying taxes.
As do I.
My choice. My body.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?