Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting
The measure was defeated by a vote of 52 to 48 percent.
Voters in Maine's largest city have rejected a measure that would have allowed legal non-citizens to vote in municipal elections.
The proposal was rejected by a vote of 52 to 48 percent. Proponents of the measure said legal immigrants who are not yet citizens pay taxes and participate in the community in other ways, and should thus be allowed to vote in local races.
I wouldn't vote for such a measure, but I respect the right of communities to decide for themselves on the issue. Local citizens should decide who gets to vote in local elections.
What if a large portion of the residents weren't citizens yet lived there payed taxes there... shouldn't they have a say?
assuming non-citizens can pay income taxes.
assuming non-citizens can pay income taxes.
What if a large portion of the residents weren't citizens yet lived there payed taxes there... shouldn't they have a say?
Yes, they do. Permanent residents pay all the same taxes that US citizens do. And I think (but I'm not positive) that even temporary residents on work visas pay all the same taxes as well...although they might be exempt from payroll taxes.
I agree that permanent residents should be allowed to vote in local elections. I don't think that's asking too much. They live, work, pray, pay taxes, and send their kids to school in the community just as much as US citizens do. Seems that they have just as much of a stake in their community as anyone else.
assuming non-citizens can pay income taxes.
The same thing could be said about illegals and I am sure some internationalist/globalist scumbag piece of **** could try to get them the right to vote using your logic.
Sounds like you're more interested in hurling insults than actually discussing the policy, so this is where I bow out of the thread. :2wave:
No taxation without representation?
I find it disturbing that only 52% voted against this. Non-citizens regardless if they are here legally or not should not be allowed to vote.
What if a large portion of the residents weren't citizens yet lived there payed taxes there... shouldn't they have a say?
How about barring people who don't pay taxes from voting?
Everyone pays taxes.
No taxation without representation?
Well, not everyone pays income taxes.
Sorry Liberal but we have a little thing called sovereignty and if you are as Anti-American as Obama and want illegal scum voting here you need to shipped out with them.
Time to ship them back to where ever they are from. Round them up now. I'd pay more in taxes to get rid of them, once and for all.
No I'm not a bigot I'm pro-American anti-Infiltrators and illegals 110%.
They are illegal to hire so they should pay no taxes. Kick them the hell out, we owe them nothing for taking our jobs, going to our hospitals etc.
How about barring people who don't pay taxes from voting?
Everyone pays taxes.
Actually, I personally know quite a few non-citizens who pay more in taxes yearly than many people do over a lifetime because they own very succesfull businesses.
In the realm of hundreds of thousands of dollars paid into taxes per year.
There are also those non-citizens like my cousin, an immigrant who lives in New York, who makes over $100,000 per year. While he doesn't own his own business, he pays more per year in taxes than the many American citizens make as an income per year. Ironically, from my experience it is those American citizens who pay jack **** in taxes and essentially leech the system the most who are also doing the most complaining about the contributions of non-citizens. Go figure.
Not to mention its totally impossible to live in this country without paying taxes. Even illegals getting paid cash are paying some taxes.
It's not like the "Taxation without representation" battle cry was based on income tax.
All that being said, I agree that a person should have to be a citizen before they can vote. Taxation without representation applied to situations where someone form outside came in and took taxes from people without their consent. Non-citizens living in the US consent to being taxed by the US as a trade-off for their increased earning potential. They waive their right to representation by knowingly earning their income in a place where they have no representation. They can gain representation by seeking citizenship or by returning to their country of origin (if it is a democratic country).
They should have to take steps to show that they are loyal to the country they live in before they should be allowed to help pick it's government. The only way to do this is by "joining" that country in full as a citizen.
we have too much representation without taxation. Those are the people who are most likely to howl for tax hikes on "the rich"
I agree with you there. I would not have a problem with a Starship Troopers like government described by Henlein. Voting only open to veterans with a small government.
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