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Pick A Socialist Policy That Would Greatly Benefit America

Pick 1 socialist policy that would benefit America


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Of the ones on your list, we should have:
- Medicare for all
- UBI

We should not have:
- Federal jobs guarantee
- Universal paid time off (except for paternity/maternity leave)

I'm undecided about free college, but I'm slightly leaning against it right now. Maybe some day, but it's not a high priority. Medicare For All and UBI are more important, and all things considered I think the American college system is already among the best in the world. I'd rather fix what's broken.

Rather than nationalizing the oil/gas industry (which I do not support), we should have a Land Value Tax (LVT) which includes the value of all natural resources on a property.
Take a look at what it used to cost to go to state schools before the republicans started cutting their budgets.
 
Of the ones on your list, we should have:
- Medicare for all
- UBI

We should not have:
- Federal jobs guarantee
- Universal paid time off (except for paternity/maternity leave)

I'm undecided about free college, but I'm slightly leaning against it right now. Maybe some day, but it's not a high priority. Medicare For All and UBI are more important, and all things considered I think the American college system is already among the best in the world. I'd rather fix what's broken.

Rather than nationalizing the oil/gas industry (which I do not support), we should have a Land Value Tax (LVT) which includes the value of all natural resources on a property.
Free college of some kind is definitely a necessity for a modern knowledge economy that is moving ever further away from manufacturing and unskilled labour, particularly when quality post-secondary education is getting ever more unaffordable.

The US ranks second for having the worst economic mobility in the developed world behind only the infamously calcified UK, and it is almost certainly because we do not do nearly enough to develop our human capital in large part.
 
Take a look at what it used to cost to go to state schools before the republicans started cutting their budgets.
I remember the argument for state lottery's was they would go to the schools, what a lie
 
My pick is nationalizing the oil and gas industry and dispersing the profits among society rather than a few big execs

FYI, there is no such thing as free college.

People miss speak like this all the time. What is being suggested is taxpayer paid college.
 
My pick is nationalizing the oil and gas industry and dispersing the profits among society rather than a few big execs

The 'stranded assets' of the fossil fuel industry will probably result in more 'too big to fail' "socialism."
 
Free college of some kind is definitely a necessity for a modern knowledge economy that is moving ever further away from manufacturing and unskilled labour, particularly when quality post-secondary education is getting ever more unaffordable.

The US ranks second for having the worst economic mobility in the developed world behind only the infamously calcified UK, and it is almost certainly because we do not do nearly enough to develop our human capital in large part.
The US is towards the top of lists of countries by percent of adults with Bachelors degrees (with and without adjusting for age). Most of the world's best universities are located in America, and even our second- and third-tier schools would be top-tier in most other countries.

The reasons for our lack of social mobility are complex and multifaceted, but "not enough people getting a college education" isn't one of them, as far as I can tell.

It just seems to me that if we want to invest a lot of money in improving social mobility, that isn't the correct lever to pull.
 
The US is towards the top of lists of countries by percent of adults with Bachelors degrees (with and without adjusting for age). Most of the world's best universities are located in America, and even our second- and third-tier schools would be top-tier in most other countries.

The reasons for our lack of social mobility are complex and multifaceted, but "not enough people getting a college education" isn't one of them, as far as I can tell.

It just seems to me that if we want to invest a lot of money in improving social mobility, that isn't the correct lever to pull.
Though I definitely agree that there are many reasons underwriting terrible social mobility (for example, the prohibitive cost of living on all fronts plus stagnating wages and hand to mouth existences that interfere with human capital development, and prevents the poor and struggling middle class from rising above their station; social mobility is mostly a challenge for them, not so much the upper middle class and better: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/social-mobility-upwards-decline-usa-us-america-economics/), there's definitely more to it than that on the educational side of things; properly structured free college can be a powerful lever and incentive to steer educational/vocational interest towards degrees and accreditations needed by high skill industries which continue to struggle to find qualified workers, so I would argue that education remains a notable contributor to poor social mobility (and there is also the fact that post-secondary education is becoming ever more inaccessible between the increase of its cost, and the increased cost of virtually everything else).

Moreover, the economic argument for free college has several compelling parallels with those regarding MFA/single payer in that obviating onerous student debt is likely to have a powerful stimulative effect on the economy; bonus points if post-secondary education can be made more efficient through singlepayer principles and administrative efficiencies, nevermind that the cost of federal post-secondary incentivization/subsidy is presently in the neighbourhood of 91 billion versus the estimated 79 billion cost for eliminating tuition costs for a fully subsidized 4 year degree at all public colleges: https://edsource.org/2020/tuition-free-college-is-critical-to-our-economy/641232
 
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Also since it's mostly captured, there's little chance that Congress will pass a constitutional amendment like that.
Unfortunately this is the case; either the progressives end up domineering and provide the Federal conduit for such a constitutional amendment, or the most likely route will be a state ratification.
 
If I had a gun to my head, I'd probably go for some kind of "Bronze Level" healthcare for everyone. If you want Silver or Gold you pay for that out of pocket.

So basically CANADA.
Although for most Canadians that "Bronze" is actually pretty decent level care.
The silver and gold is about skipping lines and/or elective stuff, and gap coverage for stuff they don't cover.

Sounds decent, but if you ask former CIGNA executive Wendell Potter to explain why it isn't yet a reality here, you'll likely come away very angry.
Channel that anger, it's much needed so that we can effect useful change.
 
Also, the policy I would like most enacted is constitutional reform to decisively shut down the nonsense Buckley v Valeo 1976 'money is speech' SCOTUS ruling that has resulted in the constitutional protection of unlimited political spending and the country's plutocratization and governmental/regulatory capture by multinational corps, but that's not exactly a 'socialist' position exclusively.

Once upon a time getting big organized money out of politics was actually a conservative value.
 
Of the ones on your list, we should have:
- Medicare for all
- UBI

We should not have:
- Federal jobs guarantee
- Universal paid time off (except for paternity/maternity leave)

I'm undecided about free college, but I'm slightly leaning against it right now. Maybe some day, but it's not a high priority. Medicare For All and UBI are more important, and all things considered I think the American college system is already among the best in the world. I'd rather fix what's broken.

Rather than nationalizing the oil/gas industry (which I do not support), we should have a Land Value Tax (LVT) which includes the value of all natural resources on a property.

Re college --- let's not go on absolutes.
Any individual making more than 80-90 thousand a year can afford college and any family of four at 100-130 thousand a year, same thing.
(Pew says $126 thousand is real middle class money)

The FREE college is for the stiffs pulling down 25-50 thousand a year or less, above that let's go with further means testing and hand over subsidies to HELP generously with tuition.
Anyone making true MIDDLE CLASS income does not get to enjoy FREE college.
 
Must've been pre 70s, because they were the ones underwriting and petitioning Buckley v Valeo as per James Buckley; a particularly odious pro-plutocracy conservative.
That's right, 1940's, 50's, 60's...
 
The reasons for our lack of social mobility are complex and multifaceted, but "not enough people getting a college education" isn't one of them, as far as I can tell.

The idea would obviously include qualified TRADE SCHOOLS as well, not JUST universities.
ANY higher education is something we should, as a society, invest in.
We're investing in our future.
 
That's exactly how universal healthcare works in civilized countries. Healthcare is free. But if you want to hire private doctors, specialists, private hospital rooms, expedited appointments and procedures, or anything else you want, you're free to pay for it.
I have heard lots of lefties who think that is unfair and the rich shouldn't be allowed to do that
 
Which (if any) M4A bill created by our congress do you support? It’s easy to say do it like some other unnamed “civilized country” does it, but quite another to expect our congress critters to copy (or even identify) that system.
"America is the least competent nation on the planet" is not a position I am willing to accept.
 
I have heard lots of lefties who think that is unfair and the rich shouldn't be allowed to do that
Oh well if some random unnamed people think that, let's all focus on that instead of what people in this thread actually say.
 
Oh well if some random unnamed people think that, let's all focus on that instead of what people in this thread actually say.
Has anyone said it on this thread-didn't see it. has it been said on this board before-absolutely
 
I have heard lots of lefties who think that is unfair and the rich shouldn't be allowed to do that

Yep, that’s why folks come up with M4A bills like HR 676. That way we all end up with nothing which will become law.
 
That's exactly what I'm saying; it's about more than just having a college degree; it's also about having the right skills that match ongoing demand in the economy: https://nationalskillscoalition.org/skills-mismatch/us-skills-mismatch/
Well, great minds think alike, you're a great mind and I'm jammin' witcha.
Not everyone is cut out to be a soldier like @gdgyva expects, or a doctor, lawyer, architect or engineer, and we also can't all be CEO's or day traders or sell insurance to each other all day.
Some folks are cut out to FIX things or MAKE things, and that latter one these days will require a trade school education in robotics.

But the point is, if we invest in raising future generations with those skills OR the university education they need, we will see a lot less of the problems we're witnessing today.
And of course being conservative and liberal at the same time won't seem so impossible either.
And we would be tearing ourselves apart a lot less, too.
 
Why are we allowed to pick only one freebie?
 
My pick is nationalizing the oil and gas industry and dispersing the profits among society rather than a few big execs
Like that's what would happen. You'd distribute money to already wasting do-nothings (whether poor or leftwing politicians) instead of those who actually know how to make shit happen. How typical of you to say the same ****ing shit that we always hear. Nothing ever changes, no new ideas, just old worn-out feeble ideas that have been tried and failed countless times. Good luck, you'll need it. And BTW, once you take all that money, you better enjoy it, because in a couple years thereafter, there won't be an oil and gas industry for you to steal the profits from, because the govt is too ****ing stupid. This is just too ****ing stupid to even continue thinking about.
 
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