Palin to South Carolina: Vote for Newt

[poweRob]

OK I'm going to parse this a bit:

Why would a conservative want to keep him?

I don't think and didn't ask why you wanted to keep him. I was trying to get to the point that you seem to express a rather large level of desperation at getting him out to the point that it clouds you saying "I want this other guy specifically because..." instead you are basically saying "I'm so desperate to get rid of Obama almost anybody else will do." I don't get this. I love politics but I think the bad part of it is constant hyperbolistic desperation of "the sky is falling" which ultimately makes people fall in line for lessers of two evils.

I applaud him for getting Osama, for sniping the pirates, and for the payroll tax reduction, but aside from that, he has exhibited no leadership (look at the last budget he submitted), poor statemanship (he uttered not one word in support of the Iranian rebels) and is hostile to business.

Ok these are debateable thing that I can understand because they center around policy decisions he's made to some degree.

He has blamed all his troubles, like a petulant child, on others (and by others I mean W, except when it's congress) and has shown himself to be thin-skinned, irresolute, and filled with self-adoration.

...but these are just rants about personal dislikes. These are opinions of what you think of him personally packaged in a way to seem like it's undebateable fact. It's not.

He should have known he wasn't ready to be President 4 years ago, and if he didn't know it then, he should know it now.

And why aren't you going to vote for him?

When he ran as a senator he was the lefty I was looking for in a president. Then he ran for prez and people act surprised by what he's done. He's doing exactly what he said he'd do and when he played this uber war-hawk role in the campaign and other crap like that I said "hell no."

Then he gets in and bails on closing Guantanamo, passed NDAA, keeps renewing the patriot act, keeps caving to Republicans on things like the Bush's tax cuts extension over and over again and didn't even put up single payer first then debate it down. On that he caved before the debate began. He's just too much of a pansy representative of the left. He's always caving and many on the left, like me, are just sick as hell of it.

 

[disneydude]

- cheated on his first 2 wives

- called for Clinton's resignation while having an affair with his 3rd wife - while still married to his 2nd wife

- faced 84 ethics charges while Speaker of the House, resulting in a formal sanction and $300,000 fine

- 1st Speaker in American history to be convicted of ethic violations

- forced by members of own party to resign as Speaker

Does "Eighty Deuce" or "Peter Grimm" really want to have Gingrich representing the Republican Party in the 2012 General Election with this kind of baggage?

I know that I DO!!!!!

 

[disneydude]

You gotta love this Republican primary season. The two front runners: One whose religion has a history of plural marriages and the other who is a hypocrite who cheated on his wife and wanted multiple mistresses.

GOP - The party of "family values"......ROTFLMFAO! Oh how the might have fallen

 

[winston53660]

You gotta love this Republican primary season. The two front runners: One whose religion has a history of plural marriages and the other who is a hypocrite who cheated on his wife and wanted multiple mistresses.

GOP - The party of "family values"......ROTFLMFAO! Oh how the might have fallen

Pfft have you checked out the Mexico connection in the Romney family?

 

[disneydude]

Good luck GOP pushing your anti-gay extremist social agenda. Newt Gingrich is a bigger threat to the sanctity of marriage than loving gay couples ever could be.

 

[LuckyDan]

Good luck GOP pushing your anti-gay extremist social agenda. Newt Gingrich is a bigger threat to the sanctity of marriage than loving gay couples ever could be.

A bad husband to a wife is still a husband to a wife.

Or did you mean something else?

 

[disneydude]

A bad husband to a wife is still a husband to a wife.

Or did you mean something else?

Seriously? If that is going to be your position, then you have clearly just demonstrated the shallowness of the "party of family values" fallacy.

 

[Bettina]

A bad husband to a wife is still a husband to a wife.

Or did you mean something else?

Oh.....My.....God. :cuckoo:

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Newt is on top in SC as of this AM.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary

 

[upsideguy]

A bad husband to a wife is still a husband to a wife.

Or did you mean something else?

Let's try this: Christ had a lot to say about sin of adultery and divorce, even stating that someone that remarries after divorce is committing adultery. He also spoke extensively about money and greed. OTH, Christ actually never said anything about gays (nor abortion, for that matter).

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5&version=NIV
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 10&version=NIV
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 6&version=NIV

Its amazing to me the morality of many Evangelicals is so selective. When was the last time an Evangelical challenged the American love of money? (Greed is not only not good, its a sin?) One wonders if most of these people have even read the Gospel. In fact, I had seen a study years ago that 80% of all sermons in Evangelical churches are based on New Testament books from Romans and beyond.

 

[disneydude]

Newt is on top in SC as of this AM.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary

It will be AWESOME is the evangelicals that right-wing wackadoodles do us a favor and take Romney out for us....I'm absolutely loving this. Go NEWT!!!!!

 

[d0gbreath]

You will certainly hear variations on it.

More to the point, Gingrich has gotten the endorsement of Palin, is about to get it from a bowing-out Perry, and according to the polls, scores better amongst the true Conservatives than any current candidate. All this with such as his two bad marriages as old news already. Yet the libs claim "hypocrisy". The libs who are all pretzeled-up with scorn. The libs who need their diapers changed over this. :roll:

The only "hypocrisy" here is with the Libs. Oh the irony

I want Newt to win the nomination hands down. Then all of my dreams will come true.






fo mo yrs!

 

[Eighty Deuce]

I want Newt to win the nomination hands down. Then all of my dreams will come true.
fo mo yrs!

I will be voting for him in the Fl primary on the 31st. Hands down too

And I hope to see him as the nominee, taking on that inept jackass currently in the WH. I fully expect Newt to wipe the floor with that moron Obama.

Barack Obama is the worst President ever. And it ain't close.

 

[johnny_rebson]

It's funny to listen to the party of Bill Clinton and John Edwards complain about the marital indiscretions of political candidates they would never vote for anyway.

 

[Objective Voice]

This kinda of thing makes no sense to me. If Palin is as conservative as she claims, she'd never tell people to vote for Newt Gingrich.

One could look at it as a strategic move, I mean think about it, she's not giving Gingrich the full endorsement, but Newt has the best chance of beating Romney in SC... if Gingrich can beat Romney in SC it will weaken Romneys momentum and allow more time for another "more conservative" candidate to pick up speed such as Santorum which she could then give her full endorsement to.
To me this seems more about slowing Romney down, rather then Gingrich getting the nomination.

Jetboogieman,

You're on the right track, but it goes deeper than that.

Endorsing Newt "In SC" still leaves anything beyond that wide open, such that should Newt flounder elsewhere, she doesn't go down with that ship. However, it's certainly a semi-endorsement. Should Palin actually appear with Newt, here in Florida for instance, it will certainly boost Newt. The publicity within Conservative circles would be off the charts as such things go. And the more that Newt is in front of a camera, bashing Obama, the more he excels, as no one does it better. Newt is a bomb-thrower, and a pretty good one at that.

You're close...definitely in the ball park.

I don't doubt for a minute that Christie, Huckabee, and others are hoping that the GOP fails in 2012. They all were smart enough to see the stars and wait until 2016 rather than throw their hats into the 2012 ring. Palin wants Gingrich to dirty Romney up. If Palin is a true conservative, she couldn't possibly support Newt. Palin toyed with the idea of running in 2012, but decided that it was better to hold off until 2016. Don't fool yourself, her support of Gingrich is not meant to help Gingrich or the GOP actually win the election.

I disagree. Why would she endorse a candidate (even slightly) unless she believed the candidate had a chance to win and the victory stood to advance the Conservative agenda? If you think it through, it makes no sense for her to support a candidate who couldn't win because such a lose could also limit her party's chances of winning in 2016. Of course, that all hindges on if Obama is re-elected, but the point is should a conservative lose SC it could derail any chances for a Conservative to regain the White House not only for 2012 but in 2016 as well. So, if Sarah is to run in 2016, taking such a gamble makes no sense unless her side truly believed they had a good chance of winning SC.

Newt is better toe-to-toe than any candidate, and its not close. His prominence in the polls, when all said he was dead last summer, is due precisely because he can do what Obama can't: Speak off the cuff with enormous effectiveness, while Obama needs a teleprompter with words written by another. When its Newt's turn to speak in the debates, he's like Babe Ruth at the plate. The guy is primed for a grand slam with every swing of his verbal bat. Obama can't even throw a ball, btw.

You can pile all the baggage you want on Newt. Put him and Obama on a stage together and Obama will lose every single time ..... in spades.

BINGO!

This is why Sarah Palin and other conservatives have thrown their support behind Newt Gingrinch. They really do believe that the "Silver Tongued Devil of the GOP" can out-debate Obama. But to get to that point, they have to put forward a Conservative candidate who can speak off the top of his head better than most. That candidate is Newt Gingrinch.

But Newt has problems - lots of them - most of which have already been exposed. Make no mistake, the hard-Right pushing the Newt Gingrinch conservative train may be the worst mistake the party has ever made. But it's a gamble they're willing to take if in the long run it puts one smooth talker up against another.

 

[Amigo]

It will be AWESOME is the evangelicals that right-wing wackadoodles do us a favor and take Romney out for us....I'm absolutely loving this. Go NEWT!!!!!

:lamo And it will backfire on you, Newt will win by a LANDSLIDE! Keep the good work up! eace

 

[disneydude]

:lamo And it will backfire on you, Newt will win by a LANDSLIDE! Keep the good work up! eace

Good luck on that one. Newt would lose in a bigger landslide than Bob Dole or Walter Mondale. I hope and pray every day that the GOP is stupid enough to go with Gingrich over Romney. Take out the biggest hurdle for us and then it is easy sailing to 4 more years and maybe just maybe Obama will move a little to the left after the election. There is zero chance that Gingrich carries ANY sizeable amount of independents and moderates.

GO South Carolina.....Go Gingrich!!!!!!

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Good luck on that one. Newt would lose in a bigger landslide than Bob Dole or Walter Mondale. I hope and pray every day that the GOP is stupid enough to go with Gingrich over Romney. Take out the biggest hurdle for us and then it is easy sailing to 4 more years and maybe just maybe Obama will move a little to the left after the election. There is zero chance that Gingrich carries ANY sizeable amount of independents and moderates.

GO South Carolina.....Go Gingrich!!!!!!

Hope to have you still posting here in November

 

[johnny_rebson]

D-dude, all the candidates have baggage.

Paul wants to legalize cocaine and weaken the US military.
Romney is a flip-flopper who could never excite the base of the party.
Perry would lose a debate to a rock.
Santorum has made statements about making contraception illegal.

 

[disneydude]

Hope to have you still posting here in November

Oh definitely. I'm loving it. This was a prime year for the GOP and they have taken a page from the Democrats and are grasping defeat from the jaws of victory. It will be icing on the cake if the GOP gives the nod to a slimely reptile with the morals of a sewer rat. Go Gingrich!!!!!! (so much for that "family values" platform....ROTFLMFAO)

 

[disneydude]

D-dude, all the candidates have baggage.

Paul wants to legalize cocaine and weaken the US military.
Romney is a flip-flopper who could never excite the base of the party.
Perry would lose a debate to a rock.
Santorum has made statements about making contraception illegal.

Why do you think us Dems are loving it so much? You guys couldnt come up with a decent candidate. All the good candidates saw the writing on the wall and chose to stay out until 2016. This is going to be a cakewalk for 4 more years of Obama. The only thing that will make it easier is if you guys help us take out Romney.

 

[johnny_rebson]

If you were unemployed and you were offered a job that paid 20 percent more than your last job, would you refuse that offer because the man making that offer was divorced twice?

With the high unemployment rate under Obama, he is not guaranteed reelection.

People who don't like the bad economy and the high unemployment numbers will be willing to vote for an experienced man like Gingrich.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Why do you think us Dems are loving it so much? You guys couldnt come up with a decent candidate. All the good candidates saw the writing on the wall and chose to stay out until 2016. This is going to be a cakewalk for 4 more years of Obama. The only thing that will make it easier is if you guys help us take out Romney.

What I see is panic. What I see are Dems reaching for absurdity, such as Gingrich's ex-wife.

We are truly enjoying the demonstrations of Democrat love. The GOP will be as tempered steel after the Primaries. The Democrats will be as "Don't blame me .... not my fault".

 

[johnny_rebson]

What I see is panic. What I see are Dems reaching for absurdity, such as Gingrich's ex-wife. ......

Dems are the party of Bill Clinton and John Edwards. Some morals, huh?

 

[disneydude]

What I see is panic. What I see are Dems reaching for absurdity, such as Gingrich's ex-wife.

We are truly enjoying the demonstrations of Democrat love. The GOP will be as tempered steel after the Primaries. The Democrats will be as "Don't blame me .... not my fault".

LOL....I doubt highly that came from the Democrats. Ask any Democrat out there. We would MUCH rather run against someone like Gingrich or Santorum than Romney. Please South Carolina....give us a present tonight!!!!