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....If you want to make America an ever weakened Nation, this is how ya do it. These threads defeat America, not make it stronger.
I STRONGLY dissagree with these PROPAGANDA threads! I am for a STRONG America.... not a America gripped in civil wars CREATED by Spin Doctors!!! :soap
The strong and affluent America of the years 1945-2000 is gone. It will never return unless the correlation of external and domestic historical forces which permitted it's creation recur. That is unlikely to occur.
Those who love America would do well to recognize the nature of reality and the historical processes at work.
America can never again be Rome. But if America is lucky, it can become Byzantium.
You know what the conditions were that created to our rise to superpower status?
All the competition was bombed to hell from 1939 to 1945.
That's it. When it came time to rebuild, we were the only ones with an intact industrial base. A fluke of geography that kept us out of reach of any attack.
America was lucky. But luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity. The War constituted the opportunity. But there were other factors that constituted the preparation necessary to effectively seize the opportunity.
One of those factors was the character of the American people in earlier eras. They had some measure of shared national identity and common consciousness. What was shared is now completely gone, and imo will never return. America is a country now at war with itself. Nothing is forever.
"We've never had a shared national identity."
Factionalism is a given, but I'm referring to something that transcended temporary partisan advantage. When I was young America had less than half as many residents as it does now. There was an overwhelming national majority with a mongrelized pan-European identity that had no recollection of anything other than being American. This was the result of the termination of immigration in the twenties, and the consensus on assimilation.
They shared essentially a single culture economically, politically and socially. This created a cohesiveness similar to the cultural cohesiveness of the Han Chinese that exists today, or of the Latins of the Roman Republic. The men and women who raised me were the poor of the Depression, and the victors of WWII.
They were divided economically and politically into classes and parties, but they had a large measure of common consciousness based on shared culture and experience. It is that consciousness that made national unity possible.
White people are different today than they once were. The level of public education has deteriorated for two full generations. Look at how American students compare with students from other countries. This proves that there is a catastrophic failure in public education at the K-12 levels. Whites once had the tradition of reverence for education that only East Asians have today.
The country has also Balkanized politically. Except for the East and West Coasts, most middle class white people are conservatives. Most black and latino Americans are on the left. This trend seems to be increasing.
There were no Muslims on the Nina, the Pinta, or Santa Maria.
There were no Muslims on the Mayflower with the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock.
There were Native Americans.
The first Thanksgiving seemed to have been devoid of any Muslims.
These are Palestinians celebrating victory on 9-11-01 and Obama Gives Another 200 Million to the "Palestinians" and you still have questions of his motives?
Getting a wee bit off topic here.
Muslims have been here since before we were even our own country. It's not surprising people would say otherwise, though. Their irrational fear and distrust of Muslims leads them to make assumptions that fit their world views. "There were no Muslims on the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria," or talking about slavery. It sounds reasonable, in their misguided view of the world, so they just assume it to be true even though they just made it up on the spot.
Obama was correct, but you'll never hear that from folks who think this way.
The strong and affluent America of the years 1945-2000 is gone. It will never return unless the correlation of external and domestic historical forces which permitted it's creation recur. That is unlikely to occur.
Those who love America would do well to recognize the nature of reality and the historical processes at work.
America can never again be Rome. But if America is lucky, it can become Byzantium.
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here. The Eastern Roman empire (which wasn't commonly referred to as Byzantine until after it fell) ruled for over a thousand years. It had its high points, like the reign of Justinian I or the Komeni, and its low points, like Justinian the Noseless. There were great military victories, and a lot of getting spanked by Turks. Seeing as the base population was completely different, it was barely alike to Rome in anything but name. I'm not sure what your point is.
I can spend time digging up photos and putting together pieces of truth with some of opinion (along with ASSUMED information or statements) just like a divorce lawyer would do to the other side. If this was a court of law what you have about would be tossed out.
These VERY childish threads are cancer for America. If you want to be UN-American a post like this would be great. If you want to spread propaganda this is the way to do it. If you want to make America an ever weakened Nation, this is how ya do it. These threads defeat America, not make it stronger.
I STRONGLY dissagree with these PROPAGANDA threads! I am for a STRONG America.... not a America gripped in civil wars CREATED by Spin Doctors!!! :soap
You sir are a prime example of what is wrong in America today.
You have failed to see that the true cancer in our Nation is Obama and you further seem to to know nothing about History. Everything I said is absolute truth but as a Liberal as you truly are you are unable to address the facts.
You can't deal with the truth or the facts so in typical Liberal fashion you attack me personally.
Your inability to respond to the facts reflects a lack of of knowledge and or education. And it is being reinforced by those with a similar affliction, who thank you for a most unworthy post.
Liberals who come here and expose themselves by posting purely attack rants that have no basis in fact make themselves look silly except to other like empty minded Liberals.
It is always interesting for me that I am personally attacked by those who lack the mental acuity to stay on topic and discuss the actual facts of a topic.
In this case Obama proves once again to be a liar, and as a news reporter I would say it to his face, as I have done to others who are liars like Janet Napolitano.
Obama goes out in the World and apologizes because he hates his adopted Country, And the best you can do is attack me.
They are absent because they do not exist. Obama is a fraud and claims to be a Christian because it gets him votes, when in fact his only religion is Black Liberation Theology and I am not afraid to say it.
Obama is Anti-American and o is his mate and thy have both proved it in their own words.
I would say to all that when you have something of substance backed by fact to say please feel free to post it until then don't bother you only make yourself and others look foolishly with possible ignorance.
If you want to be UN-American a post like this would be great.
If you want to spread propaganda this is the way to do it.
If you want to make America an ever weakened Nation
These threads defeat America, not make it stronger.
I am for a STRONG America.... not a America gripped in civil wars CREATED by Spin Doctors!!!
If you want to make America an ever weakened Nation
Anyways, we totally went off topic so I want to ask this question to anyone: Has Islam always been a part of America's history? I do not think so.
So, the muslim captains of the Nina and Pinta don't count,
the muslim colonists who fought England don't count,
So, the muslim captains of the Nina and Pinta don't count, the muslim colonists who fought England don't count, the muslim slaves who were here before we declared independence don't count?
Just because muslims have existed in US history and sailed ships, were slaves and fought does not mean Islam is a part of US history. Muslims? yes. Islam? no.
Horse****.
Horse****.
Oh poor baby, does this turn over your whitewashed view of history?
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