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I'm looking to pick up a handgun when I get my CHL in July. I was just looking to get some opinions and advice from more experienced gun users/owners on what you guys would recommend for someone's first handgun. I've fired plenty of weapons, but this will be the first one I own. I'm looking to spend between 400 and 700 dollars.
 
Okay. Since this is for concealed carry, it is important to distinguish some differences between buying a pistol for a car-gun or house-gun, vs a concealed pistol.

Rule Number One of a gunfight is, "Have a gun." You never know when something may happen, so you want something you're going to be comfortable carrying almost everywhere.

This translates to size and weight. Bulk is also a factor, including the width of the slide of an auto or the cylinder of a revolver, regardless of the gun's other dimensions.

A lot of people swear by the Colt 1911 in .45, and properly tuned it is a fine weapon. However, it is OMG super-heavy for concealed carry.

Ditto most .357 revolvers, other than the titanium snubbies... but magnum rounds out of a snubby barrel are largely a waste.

Your best bets in a caliber that is adequate for self defense but doesn't come exclusively in mega-heavy oversized handguns, is 9mm or .38 special.

Yes, there are some pocket-size guns chambered for .40 or .45, but many of them have reliability issues, or are very expensive.

Glocks are great guns, and they are lite weight and easy to use... but most of them are a bit wide for EASY concealment. If you go with a Glock, I'd get a "single stack" (single stack magazine, lower ammo capacity) as much more concealable. I know they have a single-stack .45, I'm not sure if they have a single-stack 9mm yet.

See, unless you're a really dedicated packer, if it isn't convenient you probably won't carry it much...in which case you might not have it when you need it.

Another question is how you're going to carry. The concealed carry method of choice for the pros is a leather IWB (inside waistband) holster, with a double-thickness leather belt. You can carry and conceal a pretty substantial handgun in an IWB rig with the proper clothing. A single-stack Glock in 9mm or .45 would be good here.

Another option many people favor for convenience is the "pocket gun", often carried in an "inside the pocket holster" (the holster keeps the gun upright for easy draw and protects the pocket from wear). A Smith-n-Wesson .38 Airweight (J-frame, Model 656 IIRC, or something close to that) is considered "da chit dot com" for this kind of carry. Max height on a pocket gun is about 4" or so (from butt to rear sight), bigger won't come out of your pocket easily.

You could also go with a .32 or .380 auto, but those are really kind of wimpy calibers for serious self-defense.

If you buy a .25 auto, do not tell me cuz I'll have to cuss you out...they suck, I'd rather throw rocks. 25 is a pimp pistol.

A company called Kahr makes some pocket-size pistols in 9mm and .40 for a reasonable price. I have one and mine is great... I have heard some complaints about people getting lemons in their polymer line.

Quality...if you buy quality, you cry once (when you pay), instead of crying when you pull the trigger and hear click instead of bang.

So in brief, a Glock compact in 9mm or the .45 single-stack in an IWB, or a Smith Airweight .38sp snubbie in a pocket holster.

Don't scrimp on the holster either, buy quality. I like Kramer myself. Be prepared to pay $50-120 and smile while you're doing it...you'll be glad later because quality holsters equal comfort and reliable draw.


G.
 
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I'm looking to pick up a handgun when I get my CHL in July. I was just looking to get some opinions and advice from more experienced gun users/owners on what you guys would recommend for someone's first handgun. I've fired plenty of weapons, but this will be the first one I own. I'm looking to spend between 400 and 700 dollars.

Hammerless revolver. .38 special or .357 Mag.

S&W, Ruger, Taurus.

Small enough to carry regularly without imprinting. Large enough to stop an assailant. Nothing to jam. Goes bang every time or else you just pull the trigger again. No brass to pick up. If 5 or 6 shots aren't enough to do the job you are in trouble any way you look at it.
 
Hammerless revolver. .38 special or .357 Mag.

S&W, Ruger, Taurus.

Small enough to carry regularly without imprinting. Large enough to stop an assailant. Nothing to jam. Goes bang every time or else you just pull the trigger again. No brass to pick up. If 5 or 6 shots aren't enough to do the job you are in trouble any way you look at it.

Yup. I'd stick with a .38sp 5 shot to keep cylinder width down for a pocket gun, and I wouldn't buy Taurus...I've had two and had problems with both of them. I can't stand an unreliable firearm.


g.
 
I'm leaning towards a 9mm. I've fired a glock before and was pleased with the recoil and impact of the shot. Any specific brands you guys would recommend that would have a nice, lightweight 9mm in my price range? My uncle(an avid gun collector) is a big fan of Kimber 9mm, but they're almost a grand.
 
I'm leaning towards a 9mm. I've fired a glock before and was pleased with the recoil and impact of the shot. Any specific brands you guys would recommend that would have a nice, lightweight 9mm in my price range? My uncle(an avid gun collector) is a big fan of Kimber 9mm, but they're almost a grand.


I like Kimber, but they are pricey.

It's hard to go wrong with Glock. The compact 9mm model is probably one of the most popular off-duty carry guns for cops. I think the double-stack mag models are a tad wide for pocket carry though...would carry that in an IWB.

Smith-n-Wesson makes some good 9mm's. Some of my buds swear by the M&P.
I'd stay away from Taurus, or anything off-brand, jmo.

G.
 
I'm leaning towards a 9mm. I've fired a glock before and was pleased with the recoil and impact of the shot. Any specific brands you guys would recommend that would have a nice, lightweight 9mm in my price range? My uncle(an avid gun collector) is a big fan of Kimber 9mm, but they're almost a grand.

Start looking for ammo and buying it now. It is hard to find thanks to Obama.
 
Thanks for your help, guys. I'm thinking Glock with an IWB holster.
 
I'm looking to pick up a handgun when I get my CHL in July. I was just looking to get some opinions and advice from more experienced gun users/owners on what you guys would recommend for someone's first handgun. I've fired plenty of weapons, but this will be the first one I own. I'm looking to spend between 400 and 700 dollars.

I'm going to step away from what everyone else recommends.

I do not like Glocks. They have no real safety, that little tiny flange on the trigger is the safety and its a crap design in my opinion.

This is just me though but I suggest for your first pistol is to go to a large gun store and try out the grip on as many guns as they have. Go with the most comfortable.

My personal favorites for semi autos are

H&K's- beautiful guns almost guaranteed flawless operation.
Heckler&Koch

Sig Sauer- They are only second to H&K's and in some ways superior, Check out the 357 Sig, its a nice round.
SIG SAUER

Ruger's- nice entry level, quality handguns. generally comes in .40 and 9mm.
Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc.

CZ- I have a personal fetish for CZ full frames. If you can find one you may like it too. A quality handgun just stay away from the glock look a likes.
http://www.cz-usa.com/

The one thing that all of these have in common is that they have a hammer, safety and a decock. Glocks are great up till you get to the lack of safety features. If you put one in the chamber of a Glock, it is just one tiny, crap trigger flang away from putting a hole in where ever your concealing it.
 
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Harry, I won't argue that Sig and HK make good guns - they do.

I've personally never much liked DA/SA weapons, where the first shot is DA and the second is SA (single action). The difference in trigger pull used to throw me off when I was a less experienced shooter; it doesn't any more, but it is one thing that makes me leery of recommending them to newer shooters.

I don't see the need for a manual safety on anything but SA-only guns, like Colt 1911's and similar, that might be carried cocked-n-locked. Double-action triggers, imo, plus proper safety habits (using a holster, finger off trigger until ready to fire), constitute more than adequate safety.

Now, preferences vary, and I wouldn't try to tell an experienced shooter not to carry his preferred piece; the best gun is the one that works best for you. I would not feel inadequately armed with a Sig or an HnK, but they aren't my preference.

I have a much higher opinion of Glocks, obviously;)

G.
 
Harry, I won't argue that Sig and HK make good guns - they do.

Everyone has their favorite type. Its no biggie for me.

I've personally never much liked DA/SA weapons, where the first shot is DA and the second is SA (single action). The difference in trigger pull used to throw me off when I was a less experienced shooter; it doesn't any more, but it is one thing that makes me leery of recommending them to newer shooters.

I don't see the need for a manual safety on anything but SA-only guns, like Colt 1911's and similar, that might be carried cocked-n-locked. Double-action triggers, imo, plus proper safety habits (using a holster, finger off trigger until ready to fire), constitute more than adequate safety.

That is part of why I recommend them.

Learning to shoot with a DA/SA is the best way to start. You learn to shoot what I think is the best example of what a hand gun should be.

In my opinion I think Glocks are a flawed design and even though I am young guy, I have had a lot of experience being a clerk at a gun store.


Now, preferences vary, and I wouldn't try to tell an experienced shooter not to carry his preferred piece; the best gun is the one that works best for you. I would not feel inadequately armed with a Sig or an HnK, but they aren't my preference.

Its all about style. I don't own an H&K or Sig at the moment but I'm planning on getting one or the other very soon.

Its all about cash for the time being. If I can't get one of those I'm looking at a Ruger, Used Berreta or something similar.

I have a much higher opinion of Glocks, obviously;)

G.

I think its time to let the 1911 style die, Glocks seem like a rehash of that.

Like I said though some like their tea with sugar others like it with equal (blah :2sick1:).
 
I like Kimber, but they are pricey.

It's hard to go wrong with Glock. The compact 9mm model is probably one of the most popular off-duty carry guns for cops. I think the double-stack mag models are a tad wide for pocket carry though...would carry that in an IWB.

Smith-n-Wesson makes some good 9mm's. Some of my buds swear by the M&P.
I'd stay away from Taurus, or anything off-brand, jmo.

G.




I disagree. I am no fan of Glock, and especially a new shooter, who may not have as good finger control as an experienced shooter is asking for trouble.


With the "saftey" on the trigger, all it takes is having your finger in th wrong place and doing the wrong thing.

as I theorized the BART cop did, and if you search youtube the DEA agent that shoots himself in the foot.

To me it is a poor design.


As for caliber,9mm is far to anemic a round for me. I would go minimum .40, personally, I carry a .45.


I am a 1911 snob. :lol: i carry at times either my kimber ultra Eclipse, or my desser warrior.

with the right belt and holster, they are absolutley fine, weight is not an issue.


I would stick with a .40, or better yet .45. but am hesitant to reccomend it to a new shooter.





ego, you also have to ask yourself, how concealed do you want, vs firepower. answer this and I can be more help.
 
I think its time to let the 1911 style die, Glocks seem like a rehash of that.

Like I said though some like their tea with sugar others like it with equal (blah :2sick1:).




I gotta run. but, I will be back to smoke you on this argument. :mrgreen:
 
I have H&K, Sig Saur, Glock, Beretta, and an IMI Jericho.

With your experience level, an H&K or Sig would do nicely.
 
ego, you also have to ask yourself, how concealed do you want, vs firepower. answer this and I can be more help.
Relatively concealed. I am really looking into a compact S&W 9mm. I'm fine with a 9mm for a weapon I will be carrying on my person.
 
As this is your first CC weapon I wouldn't recommend a Glock because of the safety is uses. I'm another who believes Glocks are over rated.

How one decides what to carry is a decision that shouldn't be made on a whim. Here are a few things to take into consideration.
(Not in any order)

What caliber do you feel comfortable firing? For personal protection I wouldn't go below a 9mm with hydro shocks or hollow points.

Next is the size of the weapon. Full frame or compact? Summer or Fall clothing determines how hard or easy it will be to keep the weapon hid.

Semi auto or Revolver? What feels comfortable in your hands?

Name brand.....:doh......


Many people will tell you brand X is better then brand Z.
In many cases its true but don't allow whats someone tells you to be the deciding factor. I don't like Glocks but if thats what fits you best on all of the above factors then thats what you go with.

What I carry are,

Summer
1. Kimber Ultra Carry.
2. Colt Defender Pistol.
3. HK USP Compact Pistol.

Fall
1. Kimber Tactical Custom II.
2. HK Mark 23
3. BERETTA 96 BRIGADIER (SS)

Last shop around to get the best price on what you decide. Do a lay a way if you have to. Gander Mt has a good plan.
 
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I have H&K, Sig Saur, Glock, Beretta, and an IMI Jericho.

With your experience level, an H&K or Sig would do nicely.
I carry a
.40 IMI/Magnum research baby eagle, basically a Jericho, terrific gun, concealment is difficult however.
 
I carry a
.40 IMI/Magnum research baby eagle, basically a Jericho, terrific gun, concealment is difficult however.
I agree. I reserve my Jericho .45 and Glock-21 strictly for military use.
 
Okay. Since this is for concealed carry, it is important to distinguish some differences between buying a pistol for a car-gun or house-gun, vs a concealed pistol.

Rule Number One of a gunfight is, "Have a gun." You never know when something may happen, so you want something you're going to be comfortable carrying almost everywhere.

This translates to size and weight. Bulk is also a factor, including the width of the slide of an auto or the cylinder of a revolver, regardless of the gun's other dimensions.

A lot of people swear by the Colt 1911 in .45, and properly tuned it is a fine weapon. However, it is OMG super-heavy for concealed carry.

Ditto most .357 revolvers, other than the titanium snubbies... but magnum rounds out of a snubby barrel are largely a waste.

Your best bets in a caliber that is adequate for self defense but doesn't come exclusively in mega-heavy oversized handguns, is 9mm or .38 special.

Yes, there are some pocket-size guns chambered for .40 or .45, but many of them have reliability issues, or are very expensive.

Glocks are great guns, and they are lite weight and easy to use... but most of them are a bit wide for EASY concealment. If you go with a Glock, I'd get a "single stack" (single stack magazine, lower ammo capacity) as much more concealable. I know they have a single-stack .45, I'm not sure if they have a single-stack 9mm yet.

See, unless you're a really dedicated packer, if it isn't convenient you probably won't carry it much...in which case you might not have it when you need it.

Another question is how you're going to carry. The concealed carry method of choice for the pros is a leather IWB (inside waistband) holster, with a double-thickness leather belt. You can carry and conceal a pretty substantial handgun in an IWB rig with the proper clothing. A single-stack Glock in 9mm or .45 would be good here.

Another option many people favor for convenience is the "pocket gun", often carried in an "inside the pocket holster" (the holster keeps the gun upright for easy draw and protects the pocket from wear). A Smith-n-Wesson .38 Airweight (J-frame, Model 656 IIRC, or something close to that) is considered "da chit dot com" for this kind of carry. Max height on a pocket gun is about 4" or so (from butt to rear sight), bigger won't come out of your pocket easily.

You could also go with a .32 or .380 auto, but those are really kind of wimpy calibers for serious self-defense.

If you buy a .25 auto, do not tell me cuz I'll have to cuss you out...they suck, I'd rather throw rocks. 25 is a pimp pistol.

A company called Kahr makes some pocket-size pistols in 9mm and .40 for a reasonable price. I have one and mine is great... I have heard some complaints about people getting lemons in their polymer line.

Quality...if you buy quality, you cry once (when you pay), instead of crying when you pull the trigger and hear click instead of bang.

So in brief, a Glock compact in 9mm or the .45 single-stack in an IWB, or a Smith Airweight .38sp snubbie in a pocket holster.

Don't scrimp on the holster either, buy quality. I like Kramer myself. Be prepared to pay $50-120 and smile while you're doing it...you'll be glad later because quality holsters equal comfort and reliable draw.


G.

Outstanding post G.

:applaud
 
A baby Glock in 9 or 40 is a perfect concealed carry solution. As Goshin pointed out, they are relatively light and easy to conceal. They have a consistent trigger pull from shot to shot, they are easy to maintain, relatively accurate, and can be drawn and used to engage a target quickly and easily.

The key to this is going to be you. You have to get to the range and you have to learn all you can about your weapon. A 9mm is more than enough to kill an assailant. The key is that you actually carry your weapon and you know how to get it out and use it when the time is at hand. It's one thing to carry a gun with you, it's quite another to be able to actually pull it out and acquire your target.

Look, a 1911 is a fantastic firearm, and a good one is well worth the money invested. However, if you don't want to invest a thousand dollars and a considerable amount more training with your weapon, a baby Glock is a fine choice. I don't think you really have any interest in silhouette or hogans alley shooting with this weapon. For the money, the combat effectiveness, and the ease of mastery I can't recommend a baby Glock enough as a choice.

If I had to give secondary recommendations I would go with a SIG or H&K compact model. Both are going to cost you more but both are fine weapons. I personally wouldn't recommend a 1911 for a new concealed carry candidate (unless you are already very familiar with carrying a single action semi-auto cocked and locked, hammer back, ready to drop on a live round, hammer block safety on). I carried a 1911 for years and loved it. They can be very accurate, reliable, and are definitely one of the sexiest guns ever made. But I liked my Glock much better for duty carry and concealed carry. They are certainly ugly compared to the 1911, but you aren't making a fashion statement, you are carrying a gun to save your life. And for that it's perfect.

Best of luck.
 
:mrgreen: Yes i am "Green with envy" i,d love to be talking about what FA i,d carry.

Paul
 
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