Samhain
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Amazing that Flynn plead guilty to perjury with a lie regarding a statement of "Not really, I don't remember".
I always roll on the floor laughing when somebody says "perjury trap"; that ranks right up there with someone telling the truth being a "rat". Lying to a federal agent is a felony. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding.
Hahah, based on no facts, you've got a conspiracy theory idea coincidentally against the DOJ that Trump is under investigation by.1. Given that this most recently released 302 was dated 2 days AFTER Flynn resigned...
2. Given that 302 was certified 3 WEEKS after the interview...
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Yes...I am wondering exactly that.
Hahah, based on no facts, you've got a conspiracy theory idea coincidentally against the DOJ that Trump is under investigation by.
No, we don't wonder why you type the lies and conspiracy nuttery you type. We know, we have a mountain of evidence in the form of your worthless posts.
The hand-written notes?!? Oh my, like the DNC server was never taken???? OOOh, you really got'em there!
Good christ.
My point isn't that Flynn may not have lied, its that the FBI agents came to the White House with the purpose of getting Flynn to perjure himself. Why do I say that? BECAUSE they already knew the answers to the questions they were asking and they also knew that Flynn talking to the ambassador during the transition period was totally legal. Perjury is lying about something that is material to the case. What case....other than lying to the FBI? Comey openly bragged last week about setting Flynn up. Add that to the facts that the FBI didn't want Flynn to have a Lawyer present, did not inform Flynn he was being investigated, and did not Mirandize Flynn. That is the very definition of a perjury trap. I don't care if you think it wasn't a perjury trap people like Alan Dershowitz who is eminently more qualified on the subject than you believes it was a perjury trap. :roll:
I always roll on the floor laughing when somebody says "perjury trap"; that ranks right up there with someone telling the truth being a "rat". Lying to a federal agent is a felony. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
A perjury trap is a legal situation in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify with the intent to base a perjury charge on their statements, not to indict them for a previous crime. It has been argued by legal scholars whether or not this constitutes a form of entrapment.
The treatment of Flynn by our so-called justice system.
Also see the definition below and tell me why the FBI was there to talk to Flynn they already knew what Flynn said they had the phone recordings. What was their purpose? Again I'm not saying Flynn didn't lie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury_trap
Oh that birth certificate.And yes...there WERE handwritten notes...except nobody will show them.
Flynn seems to be a central figure in the Mueller investigation.
It's been pointed out that Flynn didn't give anyone but a ****load of people up. We saw his business partners get indicted today. So that means either A) Mueller just believes everything he says and is hungry with power or B) Mueller has evidence that proves Flynn was doing illegal things forcing him to make the deal.
Mueller has likely information that places Flynn at every single narrative in Trussia collusion from the emails to kidnappings and more. Remember Cohen got three years in jail. Flynn gets none. So that means A) he gave up extremely credible evidence or B) Mueller is a terrible prosecutor who sucks at making deals.
I can see how both of these two narratives at this point in time can be true depending on where your loyalties lie. Fear not though, we still have quite a ways to go for the whole story to be laid out.
My point isn't that Flynn may not have lied, its that the FBI agents came to the White House with the purpose of getting Flynn to perjure himself. Why do I say that? BECAUSE they already knew the answers to the questions they were asking and they also knew that Flynn talking to the ambassador during the transition period was totally legal. Perjury is lying about something that is material to the case. What case....other than lying to the FBI? Comey openly bragged last week about setting Flynn up. Add that to the facts that the FBI didn't want Flynn to have a Lawyer present, did not inform Flynn he was being investigated, and did not Mirandize Flynn. That is the very definition of a perjury trap. I don't care if you think it wasn't a perjury trap people like Alan Dershowitz who is eminently more qualified on the subject than you believes it was a perjury trap. :roll:
It's so, I don't know....fascinating....to watch "Republicans" try to claim that a someone with Flynn's experience didn't know how to answer questions from the FBI. It's the FBI's fault that Flynn lied! Flynn's a great guy! He wanted to lock her up!
Trump has reduced former "Republicans" to quivering bowls of Jello.
It's so, I don't know....fascinating....to watch "Republicans" try to claim that a someone with Flynn's experience didn't know how to answer questions from the FBI. It's the FBI's fault that Flynn lied! Flynn's a great guy! He wanted to lock her up!
Trump has reduced former "Republicans" to quivering bowls of Jello.
Oh that birth certificate.
Actually...Trump is reducing the credibility of the FBI, to that of a crossing-guard.
And Mueller may be in for quite a surprise in the near future.
A lawyer never asks a question s/he doesn't already know the answer to.
Michael Flynn failed to properly disclose payments from Russia and Turkey
"The form he had to fill out," Connolly said, "specifically says you must answer completely and truthfully. He did neither, it was not complete and it wasn't truthful, so there's no question about a violation of law."
Connolly pointed out that it is a federal felony to knowingly withhold information on the form, and said the key questions now are, "Was it willful? Was it accidental? You mean you just forgot that you made $70,000 from an appearance in RT in Russia and an appearance in Turkey? That's hard to believe."
Mueller's prosecutors noted that in the weeks before the FBI interview Flynn had also lied about his discussions with the Russian ambassador to reporters, Vice President Mike Pence and members of the president's transition team.
Yes I know that is because he fell into a perjury trap.Flynn has acknowledged falsely denying that his conversation with Kislyak included a discussion of Russia sanctions.
Oh that birth certificate.
1. Given that this most recently released 302 was dated 2 days AFTER Flynn resigned...
2. Given that 302 was certified 3 WEEKS after the interview...
3. Given that one day prior to the 302 being certified Stzrok and Page were texting about whether McCabe (remember him? the guy who maneuvered Flynn in to the meeting without a lawyer) had approved the wording of the 302...
4. Given that the hand-written notes of the interview...written by Agent Pientka...and the agent himself...have never been seen...
5. Given that the DOJ/FBI, to this date, refuse to allow Pientka to testify before Congress...
Yes...I am wondering exactly that.
Awesome. Then you'll be sure to call them up and tell them you don't ever want their help and protection. Maybe, if we're real lucky, the reality TV game show host will take over all investigations in this country. I mean, who better to find the criminals than the man who is very likely one himself. Yeeha!
And the predicate for going after him was FARA law...Something never used to prosecute anyone...In fact, so benign was FARA, that it's never been prosecuted...
Perjury to a FBI agent is lying about something material to the case. The FBI came to the WH to question Flynn about a conversation that they already knew 100% what Flynn had said and was 100% legal so what material case was the FBI investigating other than giving Flynn the opportunity to lie to them?It's so, I don't know....fascinating....to watch "Republicans" try to claim that a someone with Flynn's experience didn't know how to answer questions from the FBI. It's the FBI's fault that Flynn lied! Flynn's a great guy! He wanted to lock her up!
Trump has reduced former "Republicans" to quivering bowls of Jello.
... are you in doubt Flynn broke the law? Give us the expert opinions on US law which his current legal advise is not giving him.:lamo
What ever happened to the ol' battle cry, "If he broke the law, he needs to be charged!"
You people...such opportunistic hypocrites...:roll:
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