Re: More crazy Harry Reid in action - Public Option not if but when, SS not going bro
Meh, nothing I say will convince you otherwise.
Because when your side is presented with the facts you try to spin it away. I have had some very good healthcare discussions with liberals and some good ideas have come out of it, then there are the partisans who want it simply because the Democrat party wants it. That type of liberal cannot be bothered with the bad things and MOUNTAINS of evidence of the failures which are massive UHC systems. This is why you can't say anything to convince me otherwise, because I've seen the argumentation with my own two eyes.
Liberals want everyone to have health care.
Too bad, reality and "we want" aren't compatable. Things cost money, money which legally, ethically, and for all other intents and purposes is not yours. It has to come from somewhere and wasn't earned by the takers. We think it should be there just like everyone should have the fire department come to your house if it's burning.
Who cares what it's called? We don't like socialism for socialism's sake. That's just a word. There's no conspiracy to create some socialistic world. Obviously, because nobody is arguing that the government should take over all businesses. We just want to help people who need health care and can't afford it.
It's a commodity, cannot be compared to public services like protection because of many factors, most of all including the fact that a burning house is equal to another burning house. People have unique health needs not addressed in a so called universal model. Emotional rhetoric means nothing to me, bring facts.
You know, that's what liberals do. We care about people.
Yeah, your side cares so much that it's willing to mess up a system so that everyone gets freebies even though it's equally ****, but it's okay, more people lose quality so that everyone has at least "something". No ****ing thanks, I'd rather strive for greatness and have others get out of the way.
We think that government is like our American family, and we should take care of each other when terrible things happen. There's no secret agenda.
And the rest of us know that government is a necessary EVIL that must be limited to the point that it has little power, since powerful governments limit freedom and liberty, which is......you know......kind of an America thing.
Once more, I don't expect you to understand. You guys seem to think that we want Big Government at any cost and for any reason (when clearly we do NOT when it comes to things like abortion, gay rights, and other issues having to do with our private lives).
Hmmmm. Well, when all I see is calls to give big brother more power in perpituity then what am I supposed to think?