Manning out in the Cold.

[Higgins86]

ESPN reporting that the Colts will cut Manning loose!

 

[PerfectStorm]

Smart 28 million dollar move.

 

[a351]

Sad way to end his stint in Indy, but it was a smart move by the Colts, there's no way in hell they could win a championship right now even with a healthy Manning, Luck will be the immediate starter and the cap room freed up can be used to sign some much needed help either at RB or on D.

 

[soccerboy22]

Not to the Jets. I like watching them self implode every year. Sorta like the Red Sox this year.

 

[StillBallin75]

Well gee...we didn't see this coming, lol.

 

[Ikari]

I'm really disappointed in the Colts. He was their boy, they are where they are at because of him. They should have had some loyalty, but there ain't none of that left in professional sports.

 

[Gipper]

One of the most overrated quarterbacks ever.

He had probably the best offensive line of the last 15-20 years, since the Cowboys dynasty ended. He usually had a Pro Bowl running back (Faulk, James, even Addai was serviceable in my book). Wide receivers? Yeah, he had a few. Defense was hit and miss throughout his time, but it wasn't totally empty.

He walked away with one Super Bowl ring, and that was by beating a mediocre Bears teams with Rex Grossman at the helm. Yeah. Grossman.

He was a fantasy league quarterback. He put up numbers. He put up wins in the regular season. Once the clock hit midnight and he had to go into extra innings, his coach turned back into a pumpkin and he was average at best.

Congratulations, Manning. I hope wherever you go involves you lying on the ground with a linebacker on top of you.

Piece of crap.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

I always act like a man when Im out in the cold.

 

[StillBallin75]

I'm really disappointed in the Colts. He was their boy, they are where they are at because of him. They should have had some loyalty, but there ain't none of that left in professional sports.

You're being sarcastic, right? At the end of the day, sports franchises are still businesses. There's few teams out there than can afford to be that generous to a player with significant injury concerns, even a player of Peyton's caliber. Front offices should always be making smart business decisions, because if you don't you're going to hamstring your own financial flexibility. Peyton at this point is not worth 28 million, and is a liability, plain and simple.

 

[poweRob]

Smart 28 million dollar move.

I disagree.

He still has some years to go and is the only shining light they have on that incredibly crappy team and he'd also be a great GREAT mentor to a new study. Instead they intend on gambling 100% on a rookie with Andrew Luck. Luck could turn out to be another Manning but the gamble is huge. Thinking, Jeff George and all the other big "all-in" gambles for QB's teams often make.

 

[poweRob]

I'm really disappointed in the Colts. He was their boy, they are where they are at because of him. They should have had some loyalty, but there ain't none of that left in professional sports.

Colts have been a disappointment ever since their ****edinthehead owner packed up the team and moved them out of Baltimore in the middle of the night like the dirty snake he is.

 

[poweRob]

I always act like a man when Im out in the cold.

'till you see how small your manhood is out in the cold.

 

[poweRob]

One of the most overrated quarterbacks ever.

He had probably the best offensive line of the last 15-20 years, since the Cowboys dynasty ended. He usually had a Pro Bowl running back (Faulk, James, even Addai was serviceable in my book). Wide receivers? Yeah, he had a few. Defense was hit and miss throughout his time, but it wasn't totally empty.

He walked away with one Super Bowl ring, and that was by beating a mediocre Bears teams with Rex Grossman at the helm. Yeah. Grossman.

He was a fantasy league quarterback. He put up numbers. He put up wins in the regular season. Once the clock hit midnight and he had to go into extra innings, his coach turned back into a pumpkin and he was average at best.

Congratulations, Manning. I hope wherever you go involves you lying on the ground with a linebacker on top of you.

Piece of crap.

1991 before Peyton 1-15
1992 before Peyton 9-7
1993 before Peyton 4-12
1994 before Peyton 8-8
1995 before Peyton 9-7
1996 before Peyton 9-7
1997 before Peyton 3-13

1998 with Peyton 3-13
1999 with Peyton 13-3
2000 with Peyton 10-6
2001 with Peyton 6-10
2002 with Peyton 10-6
2003 with Peyton 12-4
2004 with Peyton 12-4
2005 with Peyton 14-2
2006 with Peyton 12-4
2007 with Peyton 13-3
2008 with Peyton 12-4
2009 with Peyton 14-2
2010 with Peyton 10-6

2011 without Peyton 2-14

That tells a completely different story than your theory.

 

[Kushinator]

1.) Peyton's surgery was elective; meaning he was well aware of the risks involved. Any GM/owner worth a damn would be stupid to commit such a chunk of cap room to a player who might never even return, all the while having the rights to the next "potential" Peyton Manning.

2.) The Colts are weak at all ends except for, and this is a maybe, QB with or without Peyton. Years of weak draft position combined with mediocre front office evaluation ability has left them with so many holes, they are in no way a contender in the next 3 years (again, with or without Peyton).

3.) Personally, i think his chances of ever playing again are 50/50. It is very possible they could have gotten something of value for one of the best QB's ever to play the position. In the event he is/was capable of playing another game, they could at the very least got a 4th round pick for him. My thoughts are that Arizona would have surrendered a no.1 for a serviceable Peyton Manning.

4.) If he does play again, he goes to Arizona.

 

[StillBallin75]

I disagree.

He still has some years to go and is the only shining light they have on that incredibly crappy team and he'd also be a great GREAT mentor to a new study. Instead they intend on gambling 100% on a rookie with Andrew Luck. Luck could turn out to be another Manning but the gamble is huge. Thinking, Jeff George and all the other big "all-in" gambles for QB's teams often make.

EVERY such pick is a gamble, at least scouts have seen some very impressive things from Andrew Luck to be pretty sure that he won't be a bust. Sometimes you gotta move on, especially with the injury. Also, what exactly is Manning's track record of tutoring his backups?? He doesn't really have much of one...

 

[whysoserious]

The Colts are idiots. Phenoms do not always work out, and there is no guarantee that Luck will turn into the talent we all think he will. If I am Peyton, I take this as an insult, I go to a franchise where I think I can lead the team to a win, and I beat the **** out of Andrew Luck and the Colts on the way to my 2nd Superbowl.

You're being sarcastic, right? At the end of the day, sports franchises are still businesses. There's few teams out there than can afford to be that generous to a player with significant injury concerns, even a player of Peyton's caliber. Front offices should always be making smart business decisions, because if you don't you're going to hamstring your own financial flexibility. Peyton at this point is not worth 28 million, and is a liability, plain and simple.

How is he a liability? He misses one season and he's a liability? Linebackers have had that surgery and come back. Personally, I have money that the Colts will rue this day.

 

[VanceMack]

The Colts are idiots. Phenoms do not always work out, and there is no guarantee that Luck will turn into the talent we all think he will. If I am Peyton, I take this as an insult, I go to a franchise where I think I can lead the team to a win, and I beat the **** out of Andrew Luck and the Colts on the way to my 2nd Superbowl.



How is he a liability? He misses one season and he's a liability? Linebackers have had that surgery and come back. Personally, I have money that the Colts will rue this day.

I understand the business end of this thing. If the Colts owners where smart this would have been (and may still be...who knows) negotiating this with Payton a long time ago...listen...we cant risk the franchise....we definitely want you back. So...we release you...we then re-sign you as a free agent for 4 years and back end the deal so we are paying the 'bonus' money after you retire. You stay here...you are the QB for at least the next 2-3 years and develop Luck as your replacement.

 

[Helix]

I'm really disappointed in the Colts. He was their boy, they are where they are at because of him. They should have had some loyalty, but there ain't none of that left in professional sports.

the colts should have just demanded the money to pay Manning and Luck at the same time from the taxpayers of Indiana. Indiana politicians will give that team anything that it wants. they could just cut another couple hundred million from education and roads, and then blame it all on the teachers' union and public employee salaries.

now that i've gotten that rant out of the way, i will say that i'm sorry to see Manning get the short end of the stick, but just on a personal level. he's close to my age, he seems like a good guy, and one would think that he has earned better treatment. however, if the team announced tomorrow that they were moving to LA, i'd help them pack mostly because of the massive amounts of tax dollars it takes to keep a few people very wealthy.

 

[VanceMack]

the colts should have just demanded the money to pay Manning and Luck at the same time from the taxpayers of Indiana. Indiana politicians will give that team anything that it wants. they could just cut another couple hundred million from education and roads, and then blame it all on the teachers' union and public employee salaries.

now that i've gotten that rant out of the way, i will say that i'm sorry to see Manning get the short end of the stick, but just on a personal level. he's close to my age, he seems like a good guy, and one would think that he has earned better treatment. however, if the team announced tomorrow that they were moving to LA, i'd help them pack mostly because of the massive amounts of tax dollars it takes to keep a few people very wealthy.

The politicians are smart if they are doing that. How many millions annually goes into the local economy due to the sports franchise...not counting the uber-millions from the Superbowl week. Every game fans are dropping hundreds and thousands of dollars on gas, hotel rentals, meals, and other commercial goods and services outside of the stadium, to say nothing of the consession ventures, jobs etc the community benefits from. Football is a business that benefits everyone.

 

[liblady]

One of the most overrated quarterbacks ever.

He had probably the best offensive line of the last 15-20 years, since the Cowboys dynasty ended. He usually had a Pro Bowl running back (Faulk, James, even Addai was serviceable in my book). Wide receivers? Yeah, he had a few. Defense was hit and miss throughout his time, but it wasn't totally empty.

He walked away with one Super Bowl ring, and that was by beating a mediocre Bears teams with Rex Grossman at the helm. Yeah. Grossman.

He was a fantasy league quarterback. He put up numbers. He put up wins in the regular season. Once the clock hit midnight and he had to go into extra innings, his coach turned back into a pumpkin and he was average at best.

Congratulations, Manning. I hope wherever you go involves you lying on the ground with a linebacker on top of you.

Piece of crap.

you are so incredibly wrong.

 

[Helix]

The politicians are smart if they are doing that. How many millions annually goes into the local economy due to the sports franchise...not counting the uber-millions from the Superbowl week. Every game fans are dropping hundreds and thousands of dollars on gas, hotel rentals, meals, and other commercial goods and services outside of the stadium, to say nothing of the consession ventures, jobs etc the community benefits from. Football is a business that benefits everyone.

the main benefit is that Indianapolis, a city without a lake, beach, mountain, or any other geographical draw gets to claim "world class city" status.

as for the raw numbers for cost / benefit, i would love to see them. i'm not saying that the city isn't profiting; i honestly don't know. what i do know is that the expenses have been significantly public.

Super Bowl Lands on Taxpayers

and this article basically covers recent history; the colts have been on the dole since their arrival in the mid-1980s. each time the team wants (demands) a new perk, there is overwhelming gossip that a move to another city has been used as the bargaining chip.

i don't claim to be perfectly objective on this issue. i watch about one game a year on tv, and through most of that game, i'm reading something else that's at least mildly interesting. playing that game for years as a kid was more than enough for me; if i never see a real program interrupted by professional football again, it will be too soon.

however, i am still interested to see objective cost / benefit numbers back to 1984. good luck finding them; i've as yet been unsuccessful.

 

[VanceMack]

the main benefit is that Indianapolis, a city without a lake, beach, mountain, or any other geographical draw gets to claim "world class city" status.

as for the raw numbers for cost / benefit, i would love to see them. i'm not saying that the city isn't profiting; i honestly don't know. what i do know is that the expenses have been significantly public.

Super Bowl Lands on Taxpayers

and this article basically covers recent history; the colts have been on the dole since their arrival in the mid-1980s. each time the team wants (demands) a new perk, there is overwhelming gossip that a move to another city has been used as the bargaining chip.

i don't claim to be perfectly objective on this issue. i watch about one game a year on tv, and through most of that game, i'm reading something else that's at least mildly interesting. playing that game for years as a kid was more than enough for me; if i never see a real program interrupted by professional football again, it will be too soon.

however, i am still interested to see objective cost / benefit numbers back to 1984. good luck finding them; i've as yet been unsuccessful.

Figure what...60-70 thousand fans every home game. Figure the visiting team and their travelling staff as well as every media outlet that sends crews for every home game. They all stay somewhere. They all eat somewhere. Those places they stay and eat at all benefit and all have to employ staff...and that money all goes back into the economy. Several of our group traveled up to Dallas from Ft Hood in November for a Cowboys game. Between 7 people there was at LEAST 1,000 spent...if not more on the weekend between gas, hotel, food, beer...oh yeah...the beer...better make that around 1,500.

Id be interested to see total costs as well. Dont know if they can even calculate all the incidentals. (local parking lots, business taxes received, etc).

 

[Gipper]

you are so incredibly wrong.

Okay, I'll give you the pedestal. Tell me why Manning, a man with a losing playoff record on arguably the most dominating team of the last 15 years, is among the best ever.

I'm listening.

 

[liblady]

Okay, I'll give you the pedestal. Tell me why Manning, a man with a losing playoff record on arguably the most dominating team of the last 15 years, is among the best ever.

I'm listening.

4 mvps, 2 afc championships, many afc titles and 1 super bowl. imo there has not been a more intelligent or hardworking qb to play the game. additionally, he is just a good GUY. loyal and a team player, i would take him any day over the vast majority of qbs.

 

[Gipper]

I would think that having 2 AFC championships with that team is a disaster. The Patriots, outside of the quarterback, was inferior to the Colts even during their dynasty on a stat sheet basis. While Manning had Harrison and Wayne to throw to, Brady had...Deion Branch? Manning had Pettigrew for most of his career, while I bet you couldn't name the Pats TE pre-Welker. Manning gets Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James. Brady gets BenJarvis Green-Ellis and Danny Woodhead. For a while, they had the younger and marginally talented Faulk.

And as I said, his SB win should have an asterisk because they beat one of the worst teams to ever make a SB.

imo there has not been a more intelligent or hardworking qb to play the game.

He's not even the most intelligent or hardworking QB in his own franchise.

loyal and a team player

Yup, it's never his fault either - whether he blames his offensive line, or his "liquored-up" and "idiot" kicker. Swell guy. He's God and everyone is lucky to hold his jock.

i would take him any day over the vast majority of qbs

He's still a top 5 QB in the league currently, but he's nowhere near the player some people think he is.