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Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Ordered Released From Jail[W:228]

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Citizen.Seven said:
Good grief, marriage licenses are a tiny part of the job. From what I've been able to gather, Rowan county has 24000 residents (Rowan County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau). The national marriage rate per year is 6.8/1000 residents (FastStats - Marriage and Divorce). That adds up to 163 marriages per year, or just over 3 a week in that county. The county clerk handles car registrations, voting certification, land and title sales, property taxes, etc. Why would they be aware of a possible SCOTUS case that might maybe affect a tiny part of their jobs?

Marriage is a pretty silly thing for a state to give out licenses for anyway. That would be like requiring a license to purchase a gun, or having a best friend, or making a political speech. So kitschy.
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Little of that is relevant. She took the job, and an oath, stating she'd do the job, with the knowlege that a decision on SSM was impending.

Are you suggesting that they were not aware of the SSM case before SCOTUS? How stupid & out of touch do you think they are?
 
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sawdust said:
I don't think anyone strives to a position based on what might happen.
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Who said she did? Lots of people take well-paying jobs and damn the details. They'll just 'worry about that when it happens.'

You sound like you're making an excuse for her behavior, even when she knew it could happen, like you are dismissing her obligations which were very clear in her job description and oath.
 
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Lursa said:
Little of that is relevant. She took the job, and an oath, stating she'd do the job, with the knowlege that a decision on SSM was impending.

Are you suggesting that they were not aware of the SSM case before SCOTUS? How stupid & out of touch do you think they are?
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Honestly I don't care if they knew, or not. Laws change, and public servants need to follow them after they do change. It's not like a police officer in Colorado can say "Well pot used to be illegal, so I can still arrest you!"
 
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Lursa said:
Little of that is relevant. She took the job, and an oath, stating she'd do the job, with the knowlege that a decision on SSM was impending.

Are you suggesting that they were not aware of the SSM case before SCOTUS? How stupid & out of touch do you think they are?
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Most people really don't care about impending SCOTUS decisions. I have no reason to believe that the Rowan county clerk has exceptional interest in possible future current events, especially for something that is such a small part of the job.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
All of this prior to 2011, when she found her god and adopted her new beliefs.

are you saying a womans past is forever her shame and should never be treated otherwise? scarlet letter perhaps?
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LMAO absolutely not, as "I" said that is her business . . . . .see my qoute
but Im sure that does effect many others

I do still view her has a hypocrite though since she has no problem issuing license for non-religious, inter-religious, remarriages and marriages based on other religions. All things she KNEW she would have to do in that job but claims that issuing licences is "participation" and "endorsements" of those acts. Per her own words God defines marriage and all of those things are equally a sin "IF" going by her own words that her job is endorsement and participation. Why is she ONLY against gay sin and those others are ok.
 
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Citizen.Seven said:
Most people really don't care about impending SCOTUS decisions. I have no reason to believe that the Rowan county clerk has exceptional interest in possible future current events, especially for something that is such a small part of the job.
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Well as a govt official tasked with legitimizing such decisions with their signature, maybe it would behoove the more intelligent and less bigoted or close-minded OR those restricted by their religious beliefs to care more.

She has an obligation, which she agreed to, including taking an oath. If her own failing (lack of awareness) led to her being unable to carry out the duties of that position, she could be honest, unselfish, and resign.
 
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sawdust said:
The problem is that her job description changed after she was elected. If she had taken the job with gay marriage being legal in Kentucky I wouldn't understand her position. As it is, I do.
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Her job description didn't change. Before she ran it was issue marriage licenses to those who are legally allowed to marry. After the ruling it was still issue marriage licenses to those who are legally allowed to marry. She was just recently elected too, so there is no way she can claim that she had no ides that SSM was a possibility.
 
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sawdust said:
Yes they did.
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No... No they didnt because the deputies are signing the licenses...

They took her name off of the license and put the county's name in it's place as part of a negotiation to let her be uninvolved in gay weddings and that's all I originally claimed.
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Again: “Any duty enjoined by law or by the Rules of Civil Procedure upon a ministerial officer, and any act permitted to be done by him, may be performed by his lawful deputy.”

The law does say that anyone in the office can sign it, well, except the janitor I guess, but they did change regs to give Davis an out.
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Again, they did not change the laws or the "regs" and no, no the law does not say "anyone in the office can sign it". Simply removing her name from the paper does not mean it changed the law, because the law says the act of issuing licenses can "be performed by his lawful deputy"... AKA whats going on now, because the deputies are issuing licenses again...

Now I understand that because the law was changed federally but not on the state level there will be challenges to the validity of the licenses being issued in her absence.
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You do know federal law trumps state law in this case right?
 
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"Although a federal judge ordered she not interfere with the issuance of marriage licenses, her legal team said her mind "has not changed," and she intends to block gay couples from getting licenses once again."

Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Plans To Go Back To Work On Monday

Toldja so.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
not in my private business....
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I would agree it shouldn't be....but what's to stop a "Kim Davis" from claiming "moral conscience" and suing you for discrimination because you violated her right to free exercise of her religion?
 
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sawdust said:
The problem is that her job description changed after she was elected. If she had taken the job with gay marriage being legal in Kentucky I wouldn't understand her position. As it is, I do.
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A police officer in Colorado has seen marijuana laws changed. Is that a "problem?" Does he get to arrest potheads anyway?
 
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Anthony60 said:
That's not much of an argument.


It's about the Constitution, it's about the SC overstepping their authority, and it is clearly not about bigotry. You leftists can't see beyond what you are told. Get up to speed.
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The bigots of the 50's and 60's made the same exact claims. Welcome to their club.
 
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Anthony60 said:
That's not much of an argument.


It's about the Constitution, it's about the SC overstepping their authority, and it is clearly not about bigotry. You leftists can't see beyond what you are told. Get up to speed.
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Please show where in the constitution it says that government officials can use their positions of power to screw over minorities they find icky.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
You do know federal law trumps state law in this case right?
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Anthony Kennedy's ukase in Obergefell cannot be dignified as "federal law." As the Chief Justice said in dissenting, it has nothing to do with the Constitution. And as Justice Scalia pointedly noted, also dissenting, the Supreme Court has no way to enforce its decisions and relies on the Executive Branch as well as the states for that. As this outrageous, lawless decision tramples on the First Amendment rights of more and more Americans, by the millions, we will see if they will continue let themselves be ruled by five unelected lawyers.
 
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matchlight said:
Anthony Kennedy's ukase in Obergefell cannot be dignified as "federal law." As the Chief Justice said in dissenting, it has nothing to do with the Constitution. And as Justice Scalia pointedly noted, also dissenting, the Supreme Court has no way to enforce its decisions and relies on the Executive Branch as well as the states for that. As this outrageous, lawless decision tramples on the First Amendment rights of more and more Americans, by the millions, we will see if they will continue let themselves be ruled by five unelected lawyers.
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:yawn::yawn::yawn:
Hence "dissent"
 
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Lursa said:
Who said she did? Lots of people take well-paying jobs and damn the details. They'll just 'worry about that when it happens.'

You sound like you're making an excuse for her behavior, even when she knew it could happen, like you are dismissing her obligations which were very clear in her job description and oath.
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You did.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
No... No they didnt because the deputies are signing the licenses...


Again: “Any duty enjoined by law or by the Rules of Civil Procedure upon a ministerial officer, and any act permitted to be done by him, may be performed by his lawful deputy.”


Again, they did not change the laws or the "regs" and no, no the law does not say "anyone in the office can sign it". Simply removing her name from the paper does not mean it changed the law, because the law says the act of issuing licenses can "be performed by his lawful deputy"... AKA whats going on now, because the deputies are issuing licenses again...


You do know federal law trumps state law in this case right?
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In as few words as possible so it will be easy for you to understand. They took her name off the application and put the county name in it's place.
 
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wolfsgirl said:
Her job description didn't change. Before she ran it was issue marriage licenses to those who are legally allowed to marry. After the ruling it was still issue marriage licenses to those who are legally allowed to marry. She was just recently elected too, so there is no way she can claim that she had no ides that SSM was a possibility.
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You're right, her job description didn't change, the moral obligation to fulfill it did.
 
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Deuce said:
A police officer in Colorado has seen marijuana laws changed. Is that a "problem?" Does he get to arrest potheads anyway?
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Don't know. Does the bible say thou shall not pot?
 
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sawdust said:
You did.
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I never said she strived to do anything. Please dont imagine things that I havent even implied.
 
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