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Jill Stein: “Edward Snowden Should Be Brought Home With A Hero’s Welcome”

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Green Party candidate Jill Stein has been making the social media rounds as of late, spreading her alternative message in the face of a historically unpopular general election.If Sanders were to leave the race, Stein would no doubt gain a decent number of frustrated voters, and putting her platform in the public eye will only increase this number.
Stein appeared on popular social media network NowThis to discuss among many things, what she thinks should happen to Edward Snowden. Snowden gained international notoriety in 2013 for his release of a mass of classified NSA information to the public. As a result of his whistle-blowing efforts, Snowden fled the U.S. in order to escape arrest.
Opinions on Snowden vary. While many consider him to be a traitor and criminal for disclosing the classified information, others feel that his disclosure was his patriotic duty, opening America’s eyes to the gross surveillance performed by the NSA every day. Other still feel that Snowden’s acts were both heroic and reckless as he released information wantonly without reviewing it all beforehand to determine whether it could provide a risk to national security.
In this interview with NowThis, Stein weighs in on where she stands on the Snowden conversation.
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I could not agree more! :applaud:applaud Snowden should be given a heroes welcome along with Chelsea Manning (and she should be free)!
 

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Well, if it gets him back here so we can arrest his ass, I have no problem pretending we're having a parade for him.
 

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Well, if it gets him back here so we can arrest his ass, I have no problem pretending we're having a parade for him.

Or you could do as the Romans did and have both.
 

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I do not consider Snowden a hero because he ran away instead of fighting. There is no telling what information got out to the Russian's and the Chinese, and we will probably never know.

But on the other hand, he did expose the corruption of the American Gov't.

I think he deserves some jail time, but no charges for treason like some people say.
 

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So you do not think people should be responsible for the laws they break? Go ahead, break the law, as long as I agree with the cause you are doing it for...

Are you suggesting Thoreau didn't bravely flee to Russia to avoid prosecution after refusing to pay taxes over his principled opposition to slavery and the Mexican-American War?

Upon reflection, that may be accurate!
 

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Bring him home and arrest him for breaking the diverse laws he broke sounds better.

Last I checked the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Our elected officials violated the law by violating the 4th amendment by spying on Americans. If anyone should be arrested it should be those asswipes.Not the guy who revealed that those asswipes were breaking the law.
 

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You can afford to take stupid stances when you're trying to double your voter base to 1 percent. At this stage, any publicity is good publicity for a Green Candidate.
 

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So you do not think people should be responsible for the laws they break? Go ahead, break the law, as long as I agree with the cause you are doing it for...

Except for the fact that since Snowden's release the courts have ruled that the NSA's program was actually illegal and now the American people as a whole are aware of the situation. Politicians have responded and change has occurred. Exposing crimes is not a crime.
 

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Hero or not we can debate for a very long time, but the only reason we talk about domestic spying at all is because of Snowden's actions. And like it or not, if Snowden is found guilty of a crime that by default means the same government doing the prosecution looks at their own citizens as enemies equal to Snowden. Because we were the beneficiaries of his actions.

Really think about that.
 

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Except for the fact that since Snowden's release the courts have ruled that the NSA's program was actually illegal and now the American people as a whole are aware of the situation. Politicians have responded and change has occurred. Exposing crimes is not a crime.

It depends on how it is done actually.
 

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Are you suggesting Thoreau didn't bravely flee to Russia to avoid prosecution after refusing to pay taxes over his principled opposition to slavery and the Mexican-American War?

Upon reflection, that may be accurate!


Oh the horrendous bull**** of Thoreau. :p Then he would write about the greatness of being in jail for a day, later whining that his aunt payed his fees.
 

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It depends on how it is done actually.

And giving the incriminating evidence to a select few investigative journalists who could go through the information and release what's safe and relevant doesn't meet your threshold? It's not like he did a mass dump or gave it to our enemies. He exposed it in a responsible manner, in the same way the Panama Papers were.
 

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Last I checked the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Our elected officials violated the law by violating the 4th amendment by spying on Americans. If anyone should be arrested it should be those asswipes.Not the guy who revealed that those asswipes were breaking the law.

Oh, there is no doubt that we must look into government's activities and punish, where punishment is due.

But there is also no doubt, that Snowden published much more information on many topics that had and could not have any baring whatever on the Constitutional right of US citizens. There is no doubt of the severity of the damage he wrought at many levels. This damage was totally unwarranted and should be visibly punished. He is a much worse criminal than Madoff, who only destroyed a couple of Billions Dollars.
 

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We really have not seen much of the documents which Snowden released.

I think that after Greenwald's boyfriend was arrested, it scared Greenwald into selling out his principles because he knew that he was a walking dead man and surely to be put on the CIA hit list or Obama's Kill List if really serious stuff got released. The more documents released by Greenwald, the more private security he and his partner would need to hire and pay for and they could little afford that.

Snowden File Tally:
"Tally now *6,318 pages of The Guardian first reported 58,000 files; caveat: Janine Gibson, The Guardian NY, said on 30 January 2014 "much more than 58,000 files in first part, two more parts" (no numbers) (tally about ~10.6%). DoD claims 1,700,000 files (~.04% of that released). ACLU lists 525 pages released by the press.
However, if as The Washington Post reported, a minimum of 250,000 pages are in the Snowden files, then less than 1% have been released. Note Greenwald claim on 13 September 2014 of having "hundreds of thousands" of documents. At Snowden current rate it will take 20-620 years to free all documents."

--Cryptome, February 10, 2016--
https://cryptome.org/2013/11/snowden-tally.htm

Just as a note of interest ....

I arranged/produced/distributed this tune within 90 days after the story broke.
(YouTube Video)
Every Call You Make (Music Video - Edward Snowden) - YouTube

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Oh, there is no doubt that we must look into government's activities and punish, where punishment is due.

Which will not ever happen.Those ass wipes who spied on Americans will never be punished.Nor will the ass wipes who ordered the other ass wipes to spy on Americans will be punished.

But there is also no doubt, that Snowden published much more information on many topics that had and could not have any baring whatever on the Constitutional right of US citizens. There is no doubt of the severity of the damage he wrought at many levels. This damage was totally unwarranted and should be visibly punished. He is a much worse criminal than Madoff, who only destroyed a couple of Billions Dollars.

It seems most or all the alleged damage comes claims made by those who support government spying or by the government itself.Basically it amounts to he ratted on us so we'll try to smear him.

As far as I am concerned the most egregious offense is the blatant disregard of the constitution by those in our government. Our government whining about the alleged damage Snowden did is like the arsonist stitching on a kid for throwing a pebble at a window because that kid called the authorities on the arsonist.
 
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Oh, there is no doubt that we must look into government's activities and punish, where punishment is due.

But there is also no doubt, that Snowden published much more information on many topics that had and could not have any baring whatever on the Constitutional right of US citizens. There is no doubt of the severity of the damage he wrought at many levels. This damage was totally unwarranted and should be visibly punished. He is a much worse criminal than Madoff, who only destroyed a couple of Billions Dollars.

Snowden published exactly zero information of any kind. He gave the information to a very small group of investigative journalists who then sifted through everything and released only what was relevant and safe to do so.

There is no safer or more responsible way to expose illegal government activities.
 

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Which will not ever happen.Those ass wipes who spied on Americans will never be punished.Nor will the ass wipes who ordered the other ass wipes to spy on Americans will be punished.



It seems most or all the alleged damage comes claims made by those who support government spying or by the government itself.Basically it amounts to he ratted on us so we'll try to smear him.

As far as I am concerned the most egregious offense is the blatant disregard of the constitution by those in our government. Our government whining about the alleged damage Snowden did is like the arsonist stitching on a kid for throwing a pebble at a window because that kid called the authorities on the arsonist.

There would be a higher probability of punishment of the " ass wipes who ordered the other ass wipes to spy on Americans", if the activists used different language, thought about the matter and didn't argue that criminals are heroes.
 

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Snowden published exactly zero information of any kind. He gave the information to a very small group of investigative journalists who then sifted through everything and released only what was relevant and safe to do so.

There is no safer or more responsible way to expose illegal government activities.

True that he gave it to reporters for them to publish. So what? The problem was that the stuff he gave them was full of material that had nothing to do with "illegal government activities". Instead it had to do with legitimate instruments of security. Giving that part of the leak to the reporters was definitely criminal and has done quite a bit of damage.

Now it might be true that the activities should be understood by all. That they were not, is not really a case for publishing incidence of foreign spying, though. And in fact I was unsurprised by any of that side of the information package. I would have been horrified, had the spies not been spying. That the information harmed us is more to do, with a dishonesty of a number of our allies governments over the years, than with anything illegitimate that the US was doing. But the harm is very real.
 

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Except for the fact that since Snowden's release the courts have ruled that the NSA's program was actually illegal and now the American people as a whole are aware of the situation. Politicians have responded and change has occurred. Exposing crimes is not a crime.

Exposing a crime is not a crime. The METHOD one goes about exposing it, however, CAN be.
 

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Exposing a crime is not a crime. The METHOD one goes about exposing it, however, CAN be.

Of course it CAN be, but how is it in Snowden's case? He gave it only to a small group of investigative journalists who then spent months sorting through what was safe and relevant to release. It's not like he did a mass dump of all the data to the public.

True that he gave it to reporters for them to publish. So what? The problem was that the stuff he gave them was full of material that had nothing to do with "illegal government activities". Instead it had to do with legitimate instruments of security. Giving that part of the leak to the reporters was definitely criminal and has done quite a bit of damage.

Now it might be true that the activities should be understood by all. That they were not, is not really a case for publishing incidence of foreign spying, though. And in fact I was unsurprised by any of that side of the information package. I would have been horrified, had the spies not been spying. That the information harmed us is more to do, with a dishonesty of a number of our allies governments over the years, than with anything illegitimate that the US was doing. But the harm is very real.

This is completely and objectively false. The documents exposed the details and scope of the NSA's mass surveillance program against Americans and has been ruled massively unconstitutional by multiple courts.

NSA mass phone surveillance revealed by Edward Snowden ruled illegal | US news | The Guardian

Would you like to explain why exposing unconstitutional and criminal behavior by the government is a crime in and of itself? Or are you just uninformed about the situation?
 
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