Hoyer says border walls 'obviously' work, rejects Pelosi's suggestion that barrier is 'immorality'

[Barnacle]

That's my point. The Berlin wall separated families and tore people apart. Call that a "success" if you want, but I call that an atrocity. Sure, in the short term it kept people in, but in the long term it was an utter failure. It became a global focal point of the atrocities of the Soviet Union. It rallied people against the Soviet Union. It didn't last. Let's not emulate that failure here.

The Berlin wall never stopped people from entering their "prison" - it stopped people from leaving a Communism-imposed prison.

A legal residents (green card or born-here) of the US of A can always sponsor anyone in the whole-wide world to come to this country.
But our neighbors to the south have no inclination of waiting for their legal sponsorship - they prefer breaking our laws and liberals are happy to help them. (spit)

 

[zimmer]

Actually the wall did not work and you would know that had you ever read something beside talking points. Do you have any clue how long was the Berlin wall and how many guard towers and what else was used to prevent escape? Educate yourself a bit before making your usual moronic assertions.

The Berlin Wall did not work? ROTFLOL... that’s so absurd it’s ****ing hilarious.

Added to that bit of hilarity...

...You do realize, you contradicted yourself within your paragraph? You claim it didn’t work, and then listed the support which, using your words, helped “prevent escape”.

Apologies while I... ROTFLOL.

Fact is... the wall, will make existing staff far more effective at stopping illegals before they set foot on US Soil... illegally.

 

[Higgins86]

My wife and her parents lived behind the Soviet wall. Believe me, while it was active, it worked.

It was effective not because it was a wall but because it was constantly manned with armed guards who were given order " shoot to kill".

 

[zimmer]

Maybe Ronald Reagan will appear in a religious vision to Pence "Mr Trump, tear down that wall"!

You’re also massively ignorant about the difference between the two walls?

Phew... you people are seriously stupid.

 

[Barnacle]

Maybe it was the kill zone that kept people out more so than the wall...

If you wanted to live in East Germany, all you had to do is go to one of its entry points - no need to cross the kill zone.
Angela Merkel's parents did that when Angela was an infant ...

 

[zimmer]

It was effective not because it was a wall but because it was constantly manned with armed guards who were given order " shoot to kill".

So what? The Wall was built to stop people from escaping the slave state. It worked almost perfectly.

How much easier would it have been to leave without a wall? It would have been a Keystone cop’s situation, which is what we have at our border now... thanks to Democrats.

The Israeli wall works almost perfectly too. Comment?

 

[Lakryte]

The Berlin wall never stopped people from entering their "prison" - it stopped people from leaving a Communism-imposed prison.

A legal residents (green card or born-here) of the US of A can always sponsor anyone in the whole-wide world to come to this country.
But our neighbors to the south have no inclination of waiting for their legal sponsorship - they prefer breaking our laws and liberals are happy to help them. (spit)

Armed guards gunning down anyone trying to leave is what kept people in - not the wall.

 

[Lakryte]

If you wanted to live in East Germany, all you had to do is go to one of its entry points - no need to cross the kill zone.
Angela Merkel's parents did that when Angela was an infant ...

So someone trying to leave East Germany could just cross through? If only people back then knew that!

 

[zimmer]

As does even Obama's former Border Security Chief who was replaced by Trump and could be spewing a lot of sour grapes now. But he is prominently on the record that President Trump is absolutely right to be fighting for that fence/wall/barrier whatever it will be as that is 100% necessary in order for the Border Patrol to keep control of the border. It isn't and won't be the ONLY method used to secure the border, but it is a necessary component to regain control of the border.

That officer was a great spokesman for the need for a wall.

 

[Higgins86]

So what? The Wall was built to stop people from escaping the slave state. It worked almost perfectly.

How much easier would it have been to leave without a wall? It would have been a Keystone cop’s situation, which is what we have at our border now... thanks to Democrats.

So if you want it to be as effective as the Berlin wall you will need to man and arm your wall all the way down. You will also need to give your soldiers orders to shoot on sight.

I will say though comparing your wall to the Soviets Berlin wall should serve as a wakeup call that you are indeed on the wrong side of history.

 

[Barnacle]

So someone trying to leave East Germany could just cross through? If only people back then knew that!

Can you read?!? I wrote ...

"If you wanted to live in East Germany, all you had to do is go to one of its entry points - no need to cross the kill zone. ..."


There is a difference between entering and leaving ... but I guess liberals don't know it. (grin)

 

[lwf]

So what? The Wall was built to stop people from escaping the slave state. It worked almost perfectly.

How much easier would it have been to leave without a wall? It would have been a Keystone cop’s situation, which is what we have at our border now... thanks to Democrats.

The Israeli wall works almost perfectly too. Comment?

A guarded wall works as well as a guarded fence. An unguarded wall doesn't work at all.

Putting up a fence to assist armed patrolling guards will work. Putting up a wall instead of a fence is a waste of money.

Putting up a wall or a fence out in the desert with no armed guards will stop no one and is a waste of money.

 

[zimmer]

Armed guards gunning down anyone trying to leave is what kept people in - not the wall.

Why did they build not one wall, but two then?

If walls do not work?

Walls work.

Lousy walls don’t.

 

[Lakryte]

Can you read?!? I wrote ...

"If you wanted to live in East Germany, all you had to do is go to one of its entry points - no need to cross the kill zone. ..."


There is a difference between entering and leaving ... but I guess liberals don't know it. (grin)

That's irrelevant because the Berlin Wall was build to keep people inside of East Germany. But it wasn't the wall that did that - it was the armed guards shooting machine guns at people. Do you propose a kill zone for the U.S. border wall?

 

[zimmer]

A guarded wall works as well as a guarded fence. An unguarded wall doesn't work at all.

Putting up a fence to assist armed patrolling guards will work. Putting up a wall instead of a fence is a waste of money.

Putting up a wall or a fence out in the desert with no armed guards will stop no one and is a waste of money.

If Democrats are in charge, of course there will be incompetence.

If Republicans are in charge, not RINO’s, we should do quite well protecting the southern border.

It’s similar to how the military is treated. Crap by Democrats and respectably by Republicans.

That said, with a wall, we’ll be far better off, even with incompetents in charge.

 

[Lakryte]

Why did they build not one wall, but two then?

If walls do not work?

Walls work.

Lousy walls don’t.

If one wall was good enough, why need two? And if two walls were so great, why need armed men with machine guns shooting people? Are you saying the U.S. border should have two walls now? And that border patrol agents should machine gun people down?

 

[zimmer]

That's irrelevant because the Berlin Wall was build to keep people inside of East Germany. But it wasn't the wall that did that - it was the armed guards shooting machine guns at people. Do you propose a kill zone for the U.S. border wall?

Bottom line... walls work.

Ask Israel.

Or Hungary.

 

[Higgins86]

Bottom line... walls work.

Ask Israel.

Or Hungary.

If anyone makes it over the wall and into the US should they be allowed to stay since they have proven themselves? Almost like a ninja warrior kind of prize at the end.

 

[Lakryte]

Bottom line... walls work.

Ask Israel.

Or Hungary.

Takeaway from Berlin wall: one wall didn't work, so they built two, that didn't work, so they just started gunning people down with machine guns. And in the end families were torn apart, chaos ensued, and the wall ended up being torn down. Yeah...let's emulate that. Couldn't possibly go wrong.

 

[zimmer]

If one wall was good enough, why need two? And if two walls were so great, why need armed men with machine guns shooting people? Are you saying the U.S. border should have two walls now? And that border patrol agents should machine gun people down?

I’ll let American experts design the system and manage it.

They’ve said walls work.

Other countries have proven they do as well.

 

[ecofarm]

If anyone makes it over the wall and into the US should they be allowed to stay since they have proven themselves? Almost like a ninja warrior kind of prize at the end.

Yes. This is how the wall becomes a money making idea. An obstacle course and Americans (snicker) can man tomato shooters and such. It's televised with prizes and everything.

 

[zimmer]

Takeaway from Berlin wall: one wall didn't work, so they built two, that didn't work, so they just started gunning people down with machine guns. And in the end families were torn apart, chaos ensued, and the wall ended up being torn down. Yeah...let's emulate that. Couldn't possibly go wrong.

ROTFLOL.

Nice straw man. It one of those really silly ones which burns exceptionally well.

LOL... yeah, we need to gun down people. Doh... no. We simply have to build a substantial structure that deters people, couple it with modern technology that allows our BC Agents to manage the situation... stop the illegal invaders before putting a foot down on US Soil.

This discussion has turned silly due to the outright lack of even halfway clear thinking by those on the Left.

Walls work. Just think of the DDR without a wall. The Wall was almost perfect in its deterrence. The B&W video showed a weak double barrier allowing people to stream through. Think of the DDR without a wall? ROTFLOL... it would have been keystone cops, and they would have required 50-times more manpower... and people would have escaped by the tens of thousands, or multiples of that.

 

[Lakryte]

ROTFLOL.

Nice straw man. It one of those really silly ones which burns exceptionally well.

LOL... yeah, we need to gun down people. Doh... no. We simply have to build a substantial structure that deters people, couple it with modern technology that allows our BC Agents to manage the situation... stop the illegal invaders before putting a foot down on US Soil.

This discussion has turned silly due to the outright lack of even halfway clear thinking by those on the Left.

Walls work. Just think of the DDR without a wall. The Wall was almost perfect in its deterrence. The B&W video showed a weak double barrier allowing people to stream through. Think of the DDR without a wall? ROTFLOL... it would have been keystone cops, and they would have required 50-times more manpower... and people would have escaped by the tens of thousands, or multiples of that.

No, guards armed with machine guns told to fire on sight work. Walls alone don't do much at all.

 

[zimmer]

No, guards armed with machine guns told to fire on sight work. Walls alone don't do much at all.

Israel has a wall. It works almost perfectly.

Hungary has a barrier with the meanest flesh slicing razor wire, and it works so well migrants are now trying to enter over the mountains in Italy.

The incompetent Communists had a wall that worked almost perfectly.

Our experts state walls work.

Steny Hoyer admits walls work, and are not immoral.

Check-mate... mate.

PS. The Vatican has a massive wall. The Democrat Convention had 4 miles of wall... shall I go on? ROTFLOL...

 

[Moon]

If anyone makes it over the wall and into the US should they be allowed to stay since they have proven themselves? Almost like a ninja warrior kind of prize at the end.

I think it would be better to give them a one way ticket to England.