Hoyer says border walls 'obviously' work, rejects Pelosi's suggestion that barrier is 'immorality'

[ludin]

Comparing the Berlin Wall and a prison to this wall. Again unless you plan to arm and supervise every inch of this wall it’s not the same.

They didn't supervise the entire berlin wall either, and it very much stretched across berlin.

that didn't mean that it didn't do it's job.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Oh...don't worry. He still wants a full wall. But that's not what we are talking about here.

I'll remind you what I said: "At this point, Trump doesn't want money for a wall from sea to a shining sea either. "

btw, that "steel slat" thing wasn't a concession. Do you recall the prototypes he had constructed? Four were concrete walls, four were steel walls. Do you know which one was ultimately selected to be used? Yep...it was a wall with steel slats.

Your machine is stuck on the SPIN cycle again!

Appears there’s no cure for your TDS, (tRump dream sickness); you have to be dreaming to believe your own bull****. :2rofll:

 

[poweRob]

My wife and her parents lived behind the Soviet wall. Believe me, while it was active, it worked.

I do believe it was the guns shooting at those approaching the wall that made it effective. Not the wall itself.

 

[Buzz62]

I do believe it was the guns shooting at those approaching the wall that made it effective. Not the wall itself.

Not really. In fact it was the "threat" of the guns and patrols that kept the borders under control.
A psychological "threat".

 

[Nickyjo]

Social security is all but bankrupt. When it started ... 17 people paid for 1... now it’s 2 paying for 1, and there is no Social Security lockbox. That cash has been spent. It’s a Ponzi Scheme run badly by the federal government.

Medicare and the VA cannot be conidered success stories.

Canadian Healthcare... an abysmal failure which has massive wait lists, and has people suffering and dying.

The free market dragged the Post Office into the 21st century. It’s not needed. private companies could do a better job.

The interstate highway system was one thing the federal government was useful for. That’s a pretty razor thin illustration of such usefulness. Most everything else they touch is a failure, which instead of getting axed, receives more money.

Western Europe... that great anchor of socialism welded onto free market economies... which drags it down. I’ve spent half my life in the EU... I know it’s failures well.

You do know, that the top 5 EU countries, if they were US States... would rank as the bottom 5 US States? That’s the research results from a group of Swedish economists at Timbro.se

The bottom 5.

That’s how wonderful welding a massive anchor of socialism onto a free market system works. It doesn’t. Socialism causes misery on a massive scale.

Of course... if you need an interstate highway... that’s one thing government can do that has long term positive results. That’s a pretty narrow window of success.

You have to be kidding about SS. It has lasted since the 30s. If it goes belly up now, that is still a good ride. But it won't, it will probably be fixed, even if the solution is painful. As to Medicare, I'd be broke without it. Helped people for what, 50 years? Not bad. Nothing lasts forever in the same form. Let's fix it, or if you can convince enough people, change it completely. Remember, the GOP mantra was repeal and *replace* what they saw was the mistake that was Obamacare. And Trump will reveal his much better plan any day now.

I note that interstates wear out too, sometimes in a shorter time than SS has been around. They get repaired and repaved. I see the crews out there often. Ike gets credit for the interstate, FDR for Social Security, and hats off to LBJ for Medicare.

As to Canada and Europe, I imagine there are moves to reform when necessary, but is there a huge groundswell to get rid of the health benefits they have and replace them with our pre-Medicare system?

 

[akyron]

My point is that what it did is not something we should be emulating here in the U.S. If the argument for a wall is "it worked when the Soviets did it!" then we should probably take a step back and ask what exactly we are doing.

Do you have keys? Windows? Doors?

If not then I have great respect for your lack of hypocrisy as you advocate for others what you practice.... If you do have secure shelter then....

 

[joko104]

As does even Obama's former Border Security Chief who was replaced by Trump and could be spewing a lot of sour grapes now. But he is prominently on the record that President Trump is absolutely right to be fighting for that fence/wall/barrier whatever it will be as that is 100% necessary in order for the Border Patrol to keep control of the border. It isn't and won't be the ONLY method used to secure the border, but it is a necessary component to regain control of the border.

So did Pelosi and Reid. In fact, they voted for over twice the length border barrier (700 miles) than Trump wants (300 miles).

Obama, Pelosi and Reid were all for the border barrier before they were against it.

 

[joko104]

And all the prisoners chanted "tear down this wall!" And Pelosi and Reid agreed: "Walls are immoral and don't work anyway."

 

[JustHanging]

Thanks Steny.

Walls work... even Communists, who failed at everything, had an almost perfectly functioning wall.

Walls are moral. They protect the citizens. That’s job#1 for the President. He swears an oath to do so.

Psssst. Zimmer....

 

[JustHanging]

And all the prisoners chanted "tear down this wall!" And Pelosi and Reid agreed: "Walls are immoral and don't work anyway."

Exactly! Because a few hundred yards of wall patrolled by numerous guards, where the people have no ladders or shovels, is exactly the same as hundreds of miles of unattended fence where people can bring shovels and ladders.

Trump must love you. :lamo

 

[AlbqOwl]

So did Pelosi and Reid. In fact, they voted for over twice the length border barrier (700 miles) than Trump wants (300 miles).

Obama, Pelosi and Reid were all for the border barrier before they were against it.

Yes they did, as did Schumer. Which makes them prime grade A mean spirited, hyper partisan hypocrites now. They don't give a damn about the DACA people or any other immigrants, legal or otherwise. They don't give a damn about America or Americans. All they care about are their personal political fortunes which require that they not allow President Trump any success whatsoever regardless of how necessary or worthy.

The American people deserve better.

 

[Hypothetical]

Good thing the French had the Maginot Line to keep the Nazis from invading France. Oh wait..

LOL.. and you know why the maginot lne failed?

IT WASN"T LONG ENOUGH...
the germans went around it.

the blitzkrieg bypassed through the thick Belgian FORESTS instead of try to face down the actual maginot line.

 

[AlbqOwl]

That's my point. The Berlin wall separated families and tore people apart. Call that a "success" if you want, but I call that an atrocity. And was it really the wall that kept people in, or the fact that anyone who tried to get over it was run down with machine guns? Something tells me that had more to do with it.

Sure, in the short term the wall stood, but in the long term it was an utter failure. It became a global focal point of the atrocities of the Soviet Union. It rallied people against the Soviet Union. It didn't last. Let's not emulate that failure here.

So where were all your objections to a border fence under Clinton? Bush 43? Obama? Parts of the existing fence were put up under each administration. It didn't rally the people against America then. And completing the fence won't rally the people against America now.

The only comparison to our border fence and the Berlin Wall is that both were/are effective in making it more difficult for people to just walk over the border. If the latest "Honduran" caravan had not come up against a physical barrier separating the USA from Tijuana, they would have easily overrun our border guards and most would have made it through. Just as the East Berliners would have gotten past the Soviet guards if there had been no Berlin Wall and more would have made it through than those who didn't.

The Berlin Wall was not to keep people out but was to keep people captive. It made it possible for Soviet Guards to manage their cruel and unjustifiable policy.

Our wall is to enforce U.S. laws that have been in existence for a very long time now, will not keep captive or oppress anybody, and it does enable our border guard to enforce our quite reasonable, necessary, and humane laws.

And until the leftist opposition against the wall is intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that, and demand that their elected leaders secure the border including a physical barrier, the situation is only going to get worse.

 

[Birdzeye]

Nearly 400 Migrants Tunnel Under Border Wall to Enter United States from Mexico

https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...qzAa6G2lo-5WCEaVY5aRgpale97nmN9G21ShXbFZ67y-A

Walls work. Obviously. LOL

 

[joko104]

Psssst. Zimmer....

The claim of Democrats is a person can take on step across level ground in exactly the same amount of time than a person can put up a 30 foot ladder over an obstacle and then down the other side - plus that it is a easy to sneak, hide and run carrying a 30 foot ladder than not.

Next they will be claiming the world record sprinter in the 100 yard dash in the Olympics was carrying a 30 foot ladder and used it to get over a 30 foot wall and down the other side because that made him faster than all the other runners who were just on level ground.

Nor could a person get over a 30 foot wall with a 30 foot ladder because the ladder has to be leaned - and then what? The person lifts the 30 foot ladder over the wall while balancing on top of the spikes or tilting wall top to set it up on the other side to get down the 30 foot wall?

That reasoning is exactly how absurd the "ladders" argument is.

 

[joko104]

Nearly 400 Migrants Tunnel Under Border Wall to Enter United States from Mexico

https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...qzAa6G2lo-5WCEaVY5aRgpale97nmN9G21ShXbFZ67y-A

Walls work. Obviously. LOL

400 is almost as many as 300,000, right? And you mean the secret, never discovered to this day tunnel? :roll:

Why don't you tunnel your way to work to avoid the traffic?

 

[zimmer]

That's my point. The Berlin wall separated families and tore people apart. Call that a "success" if you want, but I call that an atrocity. And was it really the wall that kept people in, or the fact that anyone who tried to get over it was run down with machine guns? Something tells me that had more to do with it.

Sure, in the short term the wall stood, but in the long term it was an utter failure. It became a global focal point of the atrocities of the Soviet Union. It rallied people against the Soviet Union. It didn't last. Let's not emulate that failure here.

ROTFLOL... at least you realize walls work now!!! ROTFLOL...

For the Communists who failed at pretty much everything, The Wall worked spectacularly.

What failed as spectacularly as the wall was successful was the Socialist ideology.

So, when are Leftists going to understand their idiotic Socialist ideology creates misery, and will aggressively seek to abandon it?

PS. Our wall is to keep illegal invaders out. You, and anyone who does not have a warrant for their arrest, can leave any time you like.

 

[marke]

Psssst. Zimmer....

Democrats do like their fictionary tales, fake news shows and home spun propaganda pieces

 

[joko104]

Exactly! Because a few hundred yards of wall patrolled by numerous guards, where the people have no ladders or shovels, is exactly the same as hundreds of miles of unattended fence where people can bring shovels and ladders.

Trump must love you. :lamo

That is an absurd statement. However, apparently your proposal is to put tens of thousands of guards permanently on the border placed every 100 yards apart at astronomical and perpetual costs.