What I dont know about New York could fill several national libaries, but that doesnt change that I know the statue of liberty is there.
Thats pritty much a common excuse by now.
There arent many statues of famed and successful US generals who massacred native Americans are there?
The US has a national concience and a sence of historic responsibility, but the south doesnt.
Oh I am sure that they built a state for him during a time when blacks were lynched and segregated because of that speech.
Not....
"The Indians are a race of savagry ho believe in an ill and savage religion" - Winston Churchill.
With many historical figures their personal beliefs and actions are not as important to greater modern society than their legacy.
Even if that legacy is not what the person intended it to be.
What I dont know about the South could fill a libary, what I know about it is enought to conclude that is not a decent place and it`s inhabitans are by in large an indecent people.
How come news stories about racism, hate crimes and historic revisionism always come from the South?
Is it because the entire world doesnt understand the South or because the South uses that line as an excuse for being in contempt with modernety since 1864?
I have traveled most of the US and Boston is by far the most racist place I have ever lived. How does that square with what you think you know about the US.
Your views on the South are just as ignorant, unfounded and hateful as the views of any other bigot about a culture or people of which he has no experience.
You just picked a "safe" target.... southern rednecks... exhibiting a bully-like cowardly tendency to seek out someone they can abuse which won't result in the kind of public censure that would follow if you attacked, say blacks or Jews or something.
Don't know why I bother responding to such drivel, frankly.
Because we are essentially taught from our youth that America's the only truly free and civilized country in the world, that we have the best of everything, that we can only be happy here - hence the great fallacy of "American exceptionalism". That, and we seem to value, even treasure, ignorance of the rest of the world, as if the rest of the world doesn't matter. I remember a shipmate of mine who talked about how when he was in the Army, he and his buddies went to a restaurant somewhere overseas. The waitress asked them, "What do Americans call America?" and he replied, "The World." And he laughed about how insulted the waitress was at his answer.
That, and look at how many Americans (particularly among conservatives) seem to think that empathy for those who are not American (except for Israel) is not a beneficial trait, but something to be ignored. As a nation we've forgotten the value of humility and empathy for those who are not American.
Been reading several social studies again on stereotypes mainly.
I firmly believe that most stereotypes are grounded in truth and have some justification to them. That they are the result of perception and expirience by peoples and not just the result of a media portrait of peoples and cultures. Of course such cultural presentations do contribute to a stereotype, but I`d argue that the personal expiriences of peoples and the actual situation in society contributes more. And because of that, stereotypes do not just have more truth to them than some would say, they are also subject to change as society changes.
The stereotype of the Black thugh exists because of the gang and criminal culture within the poor black community.
The Southern stereotype exists because of the history and culture of the South.
Germans are seen as ruthless and cruel because our ancestors burned half the world.
British are seen as arrogant because within their culture is a post colonial sentiment of looking down on other cultures.
I mention this and the study because I had an argument with a friend over the subject. And he asked "Why is the stereotype of the American outside of America the Southern redneck?"
He sent me several studies to prove his point and I didnt have anything to counter that. Indeed the prevailing stereotype of the average American is that of the Southern redneck.
So how could this have happend?
Linda Colley: With Europe and America, the feeling is always mutual | Comment is free | The GuardianAmericans were fortunate, George Washington declared in 1796, in being so "detached and distant" from "the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humour, or caprice".
This has been a perception of Americans since the colonial days. Americans were always thought to be backward woodsmen etc. by their European counterparts. Of course, Americans sort of played into that perception and even relished in their plainness relative to their European counterparts who they viewed as corrupted by the excesses of monarchy in the European centers of power.
Linda Colley: With Europe and America, the feeling is always mutual | Comment is free | The Guardian
Jefferson even greeted foreign diplomats in slippers and plain clothes, falling intentionally into the stereotype of even that time. Presidents Are People Too!
As in those days, still today, Americans tend to take pride in their relative uncomplicated-ness. And Europeans continue to view Americans as unsophisticated backwoods people. The perceptions are both true and false at the same time.
I`d say bad marketing.
German is starting to change from "ruthless, cold and heartless" to "the people who are never late for work" and "make machines that always work".
Southern stereotypes arent changing cause the South hasnt and isnt chaning.
And incest, racism and biggotry isnt exactly something with which one could market themselves in a positive way.
Well I would disagree with that.
As someone else mentioned a previous US stereotype was one of the Hawai shirt wearing lost tourist.
I guess the US stereotype changed to the clueless dumb redneck because of the Bush administration and how it presented America to the world.
Before 1860 the prevailing stereotype of Germans was they they were romantic, dreamish, naiv, liberal and ******s.
Then Bismarck invaded Denmark, Austria, France and crushed 4 Polish rebellions. And Kaiser Willhelm turned out to be a militaristic jerk who in the end set the continent ablaze.
And the perceptions changed drasticaly.
Before 1870 the French were seen as dangerously militaristic, ruthless, brutal and cold and as the greatest threat to peace in Europe.
Which is stupid because bush was born in New England and Ivy League educated.Well I would disagree with that.
As someone else mentioned a previous US stereotype was one of the Hawai shirt wearing lost tourist.
I guess the US stereotype changed to the clueless dumb redneck because of the Bush administration and how it presented America to the world.
Well I would disagree with that.
As someone else mentioned a previous US stereotype was one of the Hawai shirt wearing lost tourist.
I guess the US stereotype changed to the clueless dumb redneck because of the Bush administration and how it presented America to the world.
Before 1860 the prevailing stereotype of Germans was they they were romantic, dreamish, naiv, liberal and ******s.
Then Bismarck invaded Denmark, Austria, France and crushed 4 Polish rebellions. And Kaiser Willhelm turned out to be a militaristic jerk who in the end set the continent ablaze.
And the perceptions changed drasticaly.
Before 1870 the French were seen as dangerously militaristic, ruthless, brutal and cold and as the greatest threat to peace in Europe.
Which is stupid because bush was born in New England and Ivy League educated.
The Texas accent and southern personality is all an act...
I'm sure that had something to do with it. The the common theme overall seems to be backward/unsophisticated from the European prospective. Unless there is something that contradicts that in the perceptions you stated. They seem to be different mediums to project the same perception.
You say that the German stereotype changed in the mid1800s to mid 1900s from artsy liberals (which is my perception) to militaristic. At the end of the day, however, in WW2 they did try to steal all of Europe's art so....maybe the original perception wasn't too far off. Nothing is quite so ruthless and cold as a pissed off artsy liberal you see...
*please don't take this too seriously
Timid, defeated and paranoid about the military also comes to mind.I`d say bad marketing.
German is starting to change from "ruthless, cold and heartless" to "the people who are never late for work" and "make machines that always work".
Southern stereotypes arent changing cause the South hasnt and isnt chaning.
And incest, racism and biggotry isnt exactly something with which one could market themselves in a positive way.
I wont.
The idea that Europeans see Americans as inherently backwards is not true.
You put a man on the moon.
There is no better way of showing the world that one is not backwards.
I guess most simple people in Europe see the US as "2 or 3 good states and the rest is rednecks"
I wont.
The idea that Europeans see Americans as inherently backwards is not true.
You put a man on the moon.
There is no better way of showing the world that one is not backwards.
I guess most simple people in Europe see the US as "2 or 3 good states and the rest is rednecks"
Not too far from reality...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/i...ed-some-brits-to-label-the-us-stat#.wtBY8jYLl
Been reading several social studies again on stereotypes mainly.
I firmly believe that most stereotypes are grounded in truth and have some justification to them. That they are the result of perception and expirience by peoples and not just the result of a media portrait of peoples and cultures. Of course such cultural presentations do contribute to a stereotype, but I`d argue that the personal expiriences of peoples and the actual situation in society contributes more. And because of that, stereotypes do not just have more truth to them than some would say, they are also subject to change as society changes.
The stereotype of the Black thugh exists because of the gang and criminal culture within the poor black community.
The Southern stereotype exists because of the history and culture of the South.
Germans are seen as ruthless and cruel because our ancestors burned half the world.
British are seen as arrogant because within their culture is a post colonial sentiment of looking down on other cultures.
I mention this and the study because I had an argument with a friend over the subject. And he asked "Why is the stereotype of the American outside of America the Southern redneck?"
He sent me several studies to prove his point and I didnt have anything to counter that. Indeed the prevailing stereotype of the average American is that of the Southern redneck.
So how could this have happend?
Which is stupid because bush was born in New England and Ivy League educated.
The Texas accent and southern personality is all an act...
No, the family moved to Texas when he was two.
Because rednecks symbolize qualities that are the opposite of the way proud americans see their country
America is a prosperous land of opportunity and equal rights with a well educated population.
Rednecks are poor, illiterate bigots who used to enslave black people.
Because rednecks symbolize qualities that are the opposite of the way proud americans see their country
America is a prosperous land of opportunity and equal rights with a well educated population.
Rednecks are poor, illiterate bigots who used to enslave black people.
But where did the southern accent come from? If he grew up with parents and relatives who are all Northeastern, I think he self taught himself the accent,
I think he probably had to work to rid himself of a West Texas accent, which is very strong and distinctly West Texas. But he moved to Houston in 7th grade, so his accent would be more "Southern." And he did marry a Texas girl.
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