Hotel fights back after Donald Trump threatens to not pay

[JasperL]

Correct. It's like you saying it's too hot in your bedroom upstairs because someone left the doggy door open on the other side of the house and the a/c just can't keep up.

LMAO, well, sort of like that except instead of the doggie door, it's probably more like the front and back doors and the windows were left open much longer than usual and planned for with the design of the AC.

 

[Hari Seldon]

If i order a steak at a restaurant and it comes out after an hour and is cold, I have every right to refuse to pay for "services rendered" - even if the restaurant is "unusually" full. Depending on how hot it actually was at the hotel, I don't see this as much different.

Not if you eat the steak.

 

[Hari Seldon]

200 Liens have been filed against this clown for ditching the bill. Maybe we ought to try that, just constanly say you're not happy with "the service provided" and then everything is free!

There is always bankruptcy.

 

[justabubba]

The purpose of central air conditioning in a convention space is to keep the temperature at a reasonable rate for hundreds or thousands of guests. I've been in convention halls in Las Vegas in the dead of summer when it's 127 degrees out side and you have to take a cab to even cross the street, but inside the facility it's perfectly cooled. I don't see what the story is here. Trump felt, possibly rightfully so (I have no idea as I wasn't there), that his guests were not in an atmosphere that was comfortable for them, and the facility was too hot. The hotel blames it on the number of guests and the outside temperature. That was their job to make the air conditioning work properly.

I think Trump's in the right here. Sorry. This is also the weakest "fighting back" I ever saw.

If the great negotiator negotiated a provision in the hotel contract specifying the maintenance of a particular temperature that was then unmet
tRump would have legitimate basis to discount payment
Otherwise he is stiffing the contractor without justification

 

[justabubba]

This should have ended the thread right here.

You describe above the major problem I have with 90%+ of progressive leftist political hate that's spewed toward successful people, businesses, and corporations as a whole. They don't have a clue what they're taking about. There's no way they can understand because they've never been there. They make illogical and uneducated assumptions, as the OP does in this thread.

Well said Maggs.

But she didn't say anything of note

She only wants us to believe that her experiences being different from our experiences makes her opinion better

And they don't

She knows nothing more about the circumstance than any other forum number

 

[justabubba]

Yeah, OK, and I guess it makes no difference if the temps outside the ballroom are 68 or 85 - that won't affect the ballroom temps at all because the doors to the ballroom won't be open during that whole time as well....wait wut???

And, of course they host large conferences all the time, but it's just obvious that a 'conference' for someone with SS protection, with nearly all of the attendees not staying in the hotel, starting at 3pm during the hottest part of the day and lasting for an hour or less is different in just about every meaningful way from a typical conference.

Enough of the facts and logic

Of course the ballroom HVAC System was designed as if all ballroom attendees are going to be subject to the delays of secret service security checks

 

[Beaudreaux]

Why would court documents make any difference? Are all these aggrieved parties somehow collectively lying?

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Never said anyone was unhinged - just a tad hyperbolic there don't ya think? Filing a lien is a normal business practice under certain circumstances within the construction industry as well as the services industry. You guys are trying to imply something that isn't proven nor is there evidence to even make an accusation. You cannot imply that a lien means failure to pay. It could mean a large number of different things.

Can you tell me whether the liens were filed against a property deed or against a bond? It makes a difference, but that's only if facts matter in this conversation.

 

[Beaudreaux]

But she didn't say anything of note

She only wants us to believe that her experiences being different from our experiences makes her opinion better

And they don't

She knows nothing more about the circumstance than any other forum number

What she wrote (her experiences as you called it) happen to mirror reality, generally accepted business practices, and the law. What are your experiences?

Just saying "Nuh uh, I don't think so" is not enough to counter her posts. You guys are making the accusation and therefore it's your responsibility to prove your assertions, not hers or mine.

Posting uneducated opinions by partisan members of the press is not proof, especially when anyone that knows about lien law knows the articles are basically ignorant regurgitation of unfounded and unproven claims for political reasons alone. That's why I asked for court records in an earlier post. Post the court records and then we can talk.

Look, I don't even come close to liking Trump, but I'm also not going to sit by and watch people that don't have a clue what they're talking about throwing out idiotic claims that mean nothing as if they were worse than the laws that we know for a fact that Hillary Clinton negligently broke.

It's just silly and makes those bitching about this look immature and completely uneducated on the subject.

 

[tres borrachos]

If the great negotiator negotiated a provision in the hotel contract specifying the maintenance of a particular temperature that was then unmet
tRump would have legitimate basis to discount payment
Otherwise he is stiffing the contractor without justification

Maybe he did negotiate that provision. I didn't see the contract with the hotel. Is there a link to it somewhere? I know when I've had to negotiate contracts for sites for very large groups or meetings, there is standard provisions in the contracts about these sorts of things. I found it protected the groups so the venue can't shut off the heat in the middle of winter in Minneapolis, that sort of thing.

But if I held an event somewhere and my guests were very uncomfortable (too hot, too cold), and I asked them to fix it and it didn't get fixed, yeah, I'd want a discount.

 

[tres borrachos]

Enough of the facts and logic

Of course the ballroom HVAC System was designed as if all ballroom attendees are going to be subject to the delays of secret service security checks

Except that the entrance to the ballroom is from inside the hotel.

 

[Taylor]

Not if you eat the steak.

In most cases, even if you eat the steak. The manager comes over, says sorry the food wasn't to your satisfaction, and takes it off the bill.

 

[Groogrux]

The relevant question is whether it was reasonable under the circumstances (93 degrees outside, 3pm gathering, 1,000 attendees, outside doors open for hours getting them into the building and checked by security) to expect the temps in the ballroom to be at a comfy and cool 72 or whatever for what is a relatively short session.

If the hotel was unable to provide reasonable accommodations it shoukd have been forthcoming.

 

[Groogrux]

Jesus. You don't know anything. You don't know the temp in the room. You don't know if the a/c was working correctly. What is wrong with you guys?

Desperation.

 

[haymarket]

Do you deny that he has a history of refusing to pay for goods and services rendered? Trying to weasel out of his debts?

There are builders who are well known for this type of thing. We have one here in Detroit - a very very rich man who owns several very high profile companies - who routinely negotiates and signs contracts and is infamous for then calling in the people who did the work and strongarrming them to give another percentage off the bill if they want their money now or within 30 days. If they say NO - then he drags them out for months on end.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Do you deny that he has a history of refusing to pay for goods and services rendered? Trying to weasel out of his debts?

Your golden lady has her own history skipping out on bills with her campaign.

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[Hari Seldon]

In most cases, even if you eat the steak. The manager comes over, says sorry the food wasn't to your satisfaction, and takes it off the bill.

Yep, sounds like Donald.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Do you deny that he has a history of refusing to pay for goods and services rendered? Trying to weasel out of his debts?

You have not shown where he has a history of anything. You have an article where someone claimed to get stiffed for the crappy service so they "fight back" which is yet to be determined. I guess the definition of fighting back is to whine a lot. He said/she said. No proof of anything other than you found an article where someone bitches about someone that you don't like.

 

[HenryChinaski]

In most cases, even if you eat the steak. The manager comes over, says sorry the food wasn't to your satisfaction, and takes it off the bill.

Start doing that, just say everything sucks and you'll get it all free. Think it'll work?

 

[HenryChinaski]

You have not shown where he has a history of anything. You have an article where someone claimed to get stiffed for the crappy service so they "fight back" which is yet to be determined. I guess the definition of fighting back is to whine a lot. He said/she said. No proof of anything other than you found an article where someone bitches about someone that you don't like.

****ing amazing, Trump could walk out on a stage in an adult diaper sucking a pacifier then take a big dump and his bots would defend those actions tooth and nail. I can't stand Hillary but the difference that I see is that those supporting her don't come across as that fevered and blind. They're lukewarm on her. And what I find hilarious is that if Trump was running for the other party spouting the same nonsense you guys would be hammering him. Trump doesn't care about you or the Republican Party, he only cares about himself his name and his brand. The guys a sociopath and a megalomaniac.

 

[nota bene]

I can't stand Hillary but the difference that I see is that those supporting her don't come across as that fevered and blind. They're lukewarm on her.

Right; inured to her corruption and accepting of her habitual prevarications.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Right; inured to her corruption and accepting of her habitual prevarications.

Hey fight to have her thrown in prison, I don't care, when trump becomes King of the hill, eventually he'll be sharing yard time with her. That dudes going to end up trying to run this country like one of his casinos, He'll up getting impeached for some stupid ****.

 

[Taylor]

LMAO, well, sort of like that except instead of the doggie door, it's probably more like the front and back doors and the windows were left open much longer than usual and planned for with the design of the AC.

Just ludicrous. Small stores in outdoor malls down here leave their doors wide open the entire day and have no problem keeping the insides of their stores cool. This has nothing to do with leaving doors open and everything to do with the number of people in the room, which is exactly what the hotel claimed.

 

[Taylor]

Start doing that, just say everything sucks and you'll get it all free. Think it'll work?

Start doing that. Cut the A/C and just tell everyone tough ****, it's hot outside. Think it'll work?

 

[Objective Voice]

Yes, but the fact that it was built in 1882 may be part of the reason why they're having trouble keeping it cool.

Old facilities are typically difficult to modernize. That said, the aesthetics and opulence is probably why Donald Trump's campaign picked the place as opposed to its amenities. :shrug:

 

[JasperL]

Just ludicrous. Small stores in outdoor malls down here leave their doors wide open the entire day and have no problem keeping the insides of their stores cool. This has nothing to do with leaving doors open and everything to do with the number of people in the room, which is exactly what the hotel claimed.

LOL, well they mentioned "soaring temperatures" which would seem to have a bigger impact on the interior temps if for some reason (say, Secret Service having to screen every person entering for weapons, etc.) the doors to the outside in the "soaring temperatures" were kept open FAR longer than is usual for the average gathering.

It's kind of hilarious really that this is even controversial... At the end of the day it's irrelevant to anything at all, but sort of fascinating nonetheless. I'm guessing a hotel/convention center like that normally keeps those rooms comfortable - it's kind of essential for big gatherings of people in the South that the 1/3 or so who are badly overweight aren't sweating onto the furniture - so something is different with a visit for a short time by a POTUS candidate during the heat of a 93 degree day with VERY tight security needs. If you've got other ideas, love to hear them.