Homosexuality, Heterosexuality and the Choices in Between

[CLAX1911]

If that's the case, then why do they differ so much?

Because I'm not a brainwashed mindless drone.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

I see it as the same thing. I am pursuing my sexual desires at the expense of what others expect of me.

No, you're willfully harming a person you supposedly love for sexual gratification. A gay person is merely existing. While you're apparently trying to rationalize cheating in order to soothe a guilty conscience, your analogy doesn't even begin to make any sense. Cheating is an inherently bad thing that at least one of the actors knows she is committing as it happens. Being gay is not a bad thing and does not involve malicious intent. How many gay people have you told that you consider their sexuality to be "the same thing" as you being incapable of remaining faithful to a chosen partner?

 

[CLAX1911]

Now you've stopped making sense. Coming out of the closet is not selfish any way you look at it. Cheating on a peson is selfish any way you look at it. That's actually an offensive comparison, but something tells me you're not going to understand that.

I didn't quite understand that one either. I did explain to him that cheating on a spouse is the breaking of a promise and coming out as homosexual isn't but he didn't seem too keen on responding to that.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I've known some girls to go into absolute rages when they couldn't bed a gay guy. Turns out that some pretty women don't handle rejection very well. After a lifetime of getting their way and hardly even working for it, they tended to see gayness as a challenge that could be overcome. I've rarely seen it work.

I've never ever seen it work! :lamo
Another gay friend, who I met through my first wife, used to work with her and a couple of other gals in an upscale wine shop in Santa Monica. One night they all decided to have a little party, and of course the spirits flowed, music and movies played and all that sort of thing.
They decided to watch Beverly Hills Cop and all of a sudden our gay friend was getting very upset during the shootout scene.

He kept motioning to my ex-wife and alternately muttering about the "pretty flowers" (which were being shot up by Eddie Murphy and Judge Reinhold) and finally my ex motions him into the hallway.

"What the Hell are you yammering about flowers for?"

"Linda, Dawn keeps touchin' my dick, I want to go home, please."

Dawn had gotten a little drunk and decided it was time to tempt our friend to the other side, and it wasn't working, and he wasn't too happy about her continued efforts, but he was trying to be polite about it while the movie was playing!
Straight up sexual harassment no question about it, and "Darn" (he called her Darn instead of Dawn) wouldn't take no for an answer.

And she was his boss!

 

[Daisy]

Because I'm not a brainwashed mindless drone.

That makes no sense, Clax...there are standard definitions to all words...unless we're talking about Urban Dictionary, which I don't think we are...so your definitions, if right, both should match...especially if taken from the Bible...

Christian is a God-given name for the followers of Jesus Christ.​..Acts 11:26; 26:28...

 

[CLAX1911]

That makes no sense, Clax...there are standard definitions to all words...unless we're talking about Urban Dictionary, which I don't think we are...so your definitions, if right, both should match...especially if taken from the Bible...

Christian is a God-given name for the followers of Jesus Christ.​..Acts 11:26; 26:28...

So in order to be Christian you have to follow Jesus Christ?

We have the same definition

 

[jghiretire]

To be clear, behavior is a choice, sexual orientation is not.

Thank you for saying that.

 

[Daisy]

So in order to be Christian you have to follow Jesus Christ?

We have the same definition

Do you accept the view of homosexuality that His Father does because God and Jesus are in complete harmony with one another? Gen. 2:22-24; Matt. 19:4-6

Jude was a follower of Christ..."In the same manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire." Jude 7

So was Paul..."Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom." 1 Cor. 6:9,10

 

[CLAX1911]

Do you accept the view of homosexuality that His Father does because God and Jesus are in complete harmony with one another? Gen. 2:22-24; Matt. 19:4-6

Jude was a follower of Christ..."In the same manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire." Jude 7

So was Paul..."Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom." 1 Cor. 6:9,10

See this is what I was talking about when I said to being brainwashed you believe the Bible is talking about homosexuality because you've been told to. And because you want to belong to a social group what you call a church you're willing to concede your autonomy to the group disgust based thinking.

The Bible says little if anything about homosexuality.

 

[Daisy]

See this is what I was talking about when I said to being brainwashed you believe the Bible is talking about homosexuality because you've been told to. And because you want to belong to a social group what you call a church you're willing to concede your autonomy to the group disgust based thinking.

The Bible says little if nothing about homosexuality.

That is what it says...there's no getting around it...it could not be any clearer..."gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires"..."men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality"...

All of Christ's followers should be of one mind, believing all the things taught by Jesus and Jehovah God...just another mark of what being a true Christian means...

"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." 1 Cor. 1:10

 

[CLAX1911]

That is what it says...there's no getting around it...it could not be any clearer..."gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires"..."men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality"...

that isn't what it says and I could just go into how the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek and not English and explain to you the words that they used and what they meant contextually in the culture they belong to on and on and on and I've done it before and it was pointless because at the end of it it's still didn't convince anyone that they were mistaken because they belong to a social group call the church that makes them think a certain way. You belong to a social group that is notorious for controlling thought so I won't waste the time explaining to you why your religion is wrong.

All of Christ's followers should be of one mind, believing all the things taught by Jesus and Jehovah God...just another mark of what being a true Christian means...

so if I don't agree with you or your backward religion because your religion has programmed you to believe you hold ownership of the words Christian (which it doesn't it stole and perverted the word Christian) there for everyone who isn't too brainwashed into your social group is not Christian that's a no true Scotsman fallacy.

"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." 1 Cor. 1:10

This means you shouldn't be disagreeing with me but you have pledged Alliance to a social order. So go worship your golden idols. The way I see it I'm disagreeing with a non-Christian.

 

[Daisy]

that isn't what it says and I could just go into how the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek and not English and explain to you the words that they used and what they meant contextually in the culture they belong to on and on and on and I've done it before and it was pointless because at the end of it it's still didn't convince anyone that they were mistaken because they belong to a social group call the church that makes them think a certain way. You belong to a social group that is notorious for controlling thought so I won't waste the time explaining to you why your religion is wrong.

so if I don't agree with you or your backward religion because your religion has programmed you to believe you hold ownership of the words Christian (which it doesn't it stole and perverted the word Christian) there for everyone who isn't too brainwashed into your social group is not Christian that's a no true Scotsman fallacy.


This means you shouldn't be disagreeing with me but you have pledged Alliance to a social order. So go worship your golden idols. The way I see it I'm disagreeing with a non-Christian.

I have already studied for myself so I know what it says...42 years of studying and counting...learning never ends...

Golden idols...lol..

 

[CLAX1911]

I have already studied for myself so I know what it says...42 years of studying and counting...learning never ends...

Golden idols...lol..

No you haven't you swore membership to a social order that if you were to go against their prescriptions they would shun you and your family abandon you.

You have been made a social captive beholden to a non-biblical non-Christian social order. Of course you're going to agree with them you don't want to be cut off from everyone you love that is how they maintain membership.

 

[Daisy]

No you haven't you swore membership to a social order that if you were to go against their prescriptions they would shun you and your family abandon you.

You have been made a social captive beholden to a non-biblical non-Christian social order. Of course you're going to agree with them you don't want to be cut off from everyone you love that is how they maintain membership.

Not true...I am convinced that I have found the truth...that is the difference...just as Peter said...“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” ​John 6:68, 69

 

[calamity]

Now you've stopped making sense. Coming out of the closet is not selfish any way you look at it. Cheating on a peson is selfish any way you look at it. That's actually an offensive comparison, but something tells me you're not going to understand that.

Coming out of the closet to a spouse is no different than telling her you want a divorce because she it too fat and ugly to have sex with anymore. It's just that the former is cheered while the latter makes the guy out to be an asshole.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not true...I am convinced that I have found the truth.

will you haven't convinced me you have found the truth. And since this discussion is about trying to convince me of something well done failing.

..that is the difference.

I agree you are embroiled in narcissistic arrogance and I choose the path of humble servitude.

..just as Peter said...“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” ​John 6:68, 69

Well I do my best to follow Jesus so thanks for the pep talk.

 

[CLAX1911]

Coming out of the closet to a spouse is no different than telling her you want a divorce because she it too fat and ugly to have sex with anymore. It's just that the former is cheered while the latter makes the guy out to be an asshole.

Again lying to your spouse about your sexual orientation was the problem and I agree that is a selfish Act but if you come out of the closet before you ever met anyone then it's not the same thing.

 

[Daisy]

will you haven't convinced me you have found the truth. And since this discussion is about trying to convince me of something well done failing.

I agree you are embroiled in narcissistic arrogance and I choose the path of humble servitude.



Well I do my best to follow Jesus so thanks for the pep talk.

I am sorry...you misinterpret arrogance for concern because I care...and I like you...

 

[maquiscat]

Not true...I am convinced that I have found the truth...that is the difference...just as Peter said...“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” ​John 6:68, 69

Yet those of us who are also convinced, we are somehow deceived. Pretty big plank there.

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[MateoMtnClimber]

Coming out of the closet to a spouse is no different than telling her you want a divorce because she it too fat and ugly to have sex with anymore. It's just that the former is cheered while the latter makes the guy out to be an asshole.

No one is going to agree with you. The harm caused by the gay person is the deception that facilitated the relationship in the first place. Coming out is not harm. Cheaters, on the other hand, maintain their deception and then delude themselves into saying that they're no worse than a gay person.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

That is what it says...there's no getting around it...it could not be any clearer..."gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires"..."men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality"...

All of Christ's followers should be of one mind, believing all the things taught by Jesus and Jehovah God...just another mark of what being a true Christian means...

"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." 1 Cor. 1:10

Your god sounds like a real prick. My god, on the other hand, doesn't teach me to hate anyone, especially because of a thing that has nothing to do with me. Why are certain "Christians" so obsessed with other people's bodies and bedrooms? It's creepy and weird.

 

[camlok]

"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." 1 Cor. 1:10

"I don't however, recommend a career in science or anywhere else where you have to actually think." 1 Cor. 1:11

 

[DebateChallenge]

I can say this. I find it easier to resist urges now than I did 20 year ago when my hormones raged and impulse control took a back seat. Back then, if I saw someone I was attracted to, I almost always pursued it. And, if by some miracle I successfully managed to engage that person, it was usually impossible to resist breaking all the rules assumed in my other relationships. So, yeah. I would cheat, divorce, throw away fortunes, whatever to score that piece of ass. Today? Hell, some Victoria Secret model could probably walk by me stark naked and I wouldn't even get out of my chair.

You probably burned yourself out.

 

[CLAX1911]

I am sorry...you misinterpret arrogance for concern because I care...and I like you...

If you care the slightest about me you will drop this. I don't agree with your religion and it does not tolerate me.

We can agree to disagree and leave it at that or I can continue to battle you.

All your evangelism is doing is dropping your credibility.

 

[minnie616]

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Jude was a follower of Christ..."In the same manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire." Jude 7

The Sodam and Gomorrah scripture was about gang rape not a loving homosexual relationship.

From the Time.com article I posted earlier:

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Sodom and Gomorrah involved an attempted gang rape, not a loving relationship. It’s commonly assumed that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah out of his wrath against same-sex relations, but the only form of same-sex behavior described in the story is an attempted gang rape — nothing like a loving, committed relationship. The Bible explicitly condemns Sodom for its arrogance, inhospitality and apathy toward the poor — not for same-sex behavior.

Read more:

10 Reasons God Loves Gay Christians | Time