Homosexuality, Heterosexuality and the Choices in Between

[brothern]

Okay so your complaint is with the Bible and people who take it literally.

... and to answer the question, no, my complaint is with people who have created a world view that's derived out of the revelations, inspirations, visions or the dreams of desert nomads.

 

[CLAX1911]

So the Bible is technically inaccurate?

Do you think the world was created in six days before man?

 

[CLAX1911]

... and to answer the question, no, my complaint is with people who have created a world view that's derived out of the revelations, inspirations, visions or the dreams of desert nomads.

Why would you care about them? Don't you live in the u.s.? If so you're free from having to follow religious Dogma.

 

[brothern]

Do you think the world was created in six days before man?

I believe the Bible is completely inaccurate and written by humans and humans alone. That makes me a non-Christian.
What I'm asking if you think it's inaccurate? That'd also put you outside of Christian thought.

... and to answer the question, no, my complaint is with people who have created a world view that's derived out of the revelations, inspirations, visions or the dreams of desert nomads.

Why would you care about them? Don't you live in the u.s.? If so you're free from having to follow religious Dogma.

Because people with those beliefs are are currently running the education department; or were just nominated to head the State Department of a country with a nuclear arsenal.

Pompeo in on record stating that he believes the rapture is imminent.

 

[CLAX1911]

I believe the Bible is completely inaccurate and written by humans and humans alone. That makes me a non-Christian.

I believe the Bible was written by humans that does not make me non-Christian.

What I'm asking if you think it's inaccurate? That'd also put you outside of Christian thought.

so basically put if you're not a Biblical fundamentalist you're not a Christian?

That's a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

Because people with those beliefs are are currently running the education department; or were just nominated to head the State Department of a country with nuclear arsenal.

so?

Pompeo in on record stating that he believes the rapture is imminent.

Again, so?

 

[brothern]

I believe the Bible was written by humans that does not make me non-Christian.
so basically put if you're not a Biblical fundamentalist you're not a Christian?
That's a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

Christians believe in the accuracy of the Bible. If you don't believe the Bible is accurate, then that puts you outside of mainstream Christianity. You instead become a part of the group called "I am Christian, but ..."

That's the group that identifies as Christian, but lists out all the ideas they believe to be outlandish so as not to seem entirely crazy. My overarching argument would be is if you are picking and choosing what to believe in a worldview -- i.e., choosing to believe the Holy Scripture is inaccurate -- why continue to identify as that worldview?

so? Again, so?

Because those views are insane. It's entirely feasible that Mike Pompeo could be put in a situation where he's deciding to initiate military action that will result in death of thousands or millions of people. At the same time he believes that the world is going to end imminently. That is absolutely terrifying.

 

[CLAX1911]

Christians believe in the accuracy of the Bible. If you don't believe the Bible is accurate, then that puts you outside of mainstream Christianity.

I don't really care about being popular in the Christian mainstream.

You instead become a part of the group called "I am Christian, but ..."

That's the group that identifies as Christian, but lists out all the ideas they believe to be outlandish so as not to seem entirely crazy.

I've never heard of such a group. Perhaps you're categorizing people based on opinion.

My overarching argument would be is if you are picking and choosing what to believe in a worldview -- i.e., choosing to believe the Holy Scripture is inaccurate -- why continue to identify as that worldview?

I never claimed to be a Biblical Fundamentalist.

Because those views are insane. It's entirely feasible that Mike Pompeo could be put in a situation where he's deciding to initiate military action that will result in death of thousands or millions of people.

your opinions on beliefs are not relevant. And it's feasible that anybody placed in that situation could initiate military action resulting in the death of Millions.

Can you give a real reason why someone who's Christian shouldn't be in such a position other than your opinion on their beliefs?

At the same time he believes that the world is going to end imminently. That is absolutely terrifying.

Why?

 

[CLAX1911]

Christians believe in the accuracy of the Bible. If you don't believe the Bible is accurate, then that puts you outside of mainstream Christianity. You instead become a part of the group called "I am Christian, but ..."

That's the group that identifies as Christian, but lists out all the ideas they believe to be outlandish so as not to seem entirely crazy. My overarching argument would be is if you are picking and choosing what to believe in a worldview -- i.e., choosing to believe the Holy Scripture is inaccurate -- why continue to identify as that worldview?



Because those views are insane. It's entirely feasible that Mike Pompeo could be put in a situation where he's deciding to initiate military action that will result in death of thousands or millions of people. At the same time he believes that the world is going to end imminently. That is absolutely terrifying.

Also you mentioned Christians serving on the education boards I said so but I should really should have asked why.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Ok, this is more or less a thread designed for mature discussion and some thought. Also, there is no need to directly answer some of the questions, but rather maybe just keep them in your head as you formulate an opinion.

Let me begin by saying that this topic has bothered me for decades as I struggle with the rules of heterosexual monogamy, marriage, and just general male-female related bull****. How much of a choice is acting on sexual impulses?

I can say this. I find it easier to resist urges now than I did 20 year ago when my hormones raged and impulse control took a back seat. Back then, if I saw someone I was attracted to, I almost always pursued it. And, if by some miracle I successfully managed to engage that person, it was usually impossible to resist breaking all the rules assumed in my other relationships. So, yeah. I would cheat, divorce, throw away fortunes, whatever to score that piece of ass. Today? Hell, some Victoria Secret model could probably walk by me stark naked and I wouldn't even get out of my chair.

So, I'm left wondering...how much of our sexual behavior is "choice."

I don't think that any part of human sexuality is a choice.

 

[Jek4141]

No and quit playing victim. If I'm not an expert you should be very good at arguing my points rather than attacking my person and making straw man fallacies.



Am I please explain

By claiming that you know for certain that the church is a corrupt institution and teaches a brainwashing rhetoric makes you the same "demigod" that you've labelled me as.

 

[Jek4141]

I simply use the Holy Spirit. Much more accurate that any fallable interpretation of man, as shown by the multiple versions and denominations.

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If you can feel confident in your walk, I won't dispute you. Do you hold that homosexuality is immoral?

 

[Jek4141]

And as a Christian , I believe the earth is billions of years old. Science and religion can go hand and hand.
Many parts of the Bible are not literal. Jesus himself told many parables ( stories...sermons ).

Except that Jesus made it clear that he was speaking in parables, even going so far as to explain the meaning of one to the disciples at one time.

 

[Jek4141]

Well of course would you believe make sense to you. It would be weird if you believe things that didn't make sense.


But I'm not attacking your beliefs you can believe whatever you want.

My position is that your beliefs aren't the standard for which everyone should follow and that's kind of how you presented them. I'm not attacking you at all you are attacking me by referring to me as a cautionary tale and rational but I Harbor no Malice or contempt for you at all because of your beliefs.

If you try to tell me what I believe is wrong then you are attacking my beliefs and has it ever occurred to you that my beliefs make sense?

The fool believes his own folly.

 

[Jek4141]

Sounds like.quite the number of modern Christians.

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I think I'm beginning to like you.

 

[CLAX1911]

By claiming that you know for certain that the church is a corrupt institution and teaches a brainwashing rhetoric makes you the same "demigod" that you've labelled me as.

That's simply my opinion. If you find my opinion libelous maybe a discussion forum isn't the right place for you.

I have repeatedly said your opinion doesn't really bother me.

Plus you did make a strawman fallacy I didn't claim that I knew anything for certian but that's the least of the problem with this post.

 

[CLAX1911]

The fool believes his own folly.

Your opinion of me isn't of any real value. So stop virtue signaling and explain how my position is folly.

 

[Jek4141]

That's simply my opinion. If you find my opinion libelous maybe a discussion forum isn't the right place for you.

I have repeatedly said your opinion doesn't really bother me.

Plus you did make a strawman fallacy I didn't claim that I knew anything for certian but that's the least of the problem with this post.

How, then, do you have any right to label me as a demigod when I, like you, try to simply convince others of my beliefs?

 

[Jek4141]

Your opinion of me isn't of any real value. So stop virtue signaling and explain how my position is folly.

I have. You decided not to listen. If you'd like to try and understand my reason, I'd advise you seriously look over the past several pages of this thread again.

 

[calamity]

I don't think that any part of human sexuality is a choice.

Now there is the answer I was looking for. I agree.

 

[CLAX1911]

I have.

no you've made unsupported claims. You said that the Bible is God's word cuz the Bible says the Bible is God's word and that circular reasoning. And you made a few other declarative statements with no support.

You decided not to listen.

that's incorrect I read every single thing you said and I addressed every point you made.

If you'd like to try and understand my reason, I'd advise you seriously look over the past several pages of this thread again.

if your reasoning makes sense to you then that's all it's for. That's okay I personally really don't care about your reasoning.

 

[CLAX1911]

How, then, do you have any right to label me as a demigod when I, like you, try to simply convince others of my beliefs?

I have the right to label things as I see them because I have the right to free speech.

 

[Daisy]

I have the right to label things as I see them because I have the right to free speech.

As does Jek so what are you 2 arguing about?

 

[CLAX1911]

As does Jek so what are you 2 arguing about?

What it means to be Christian.

 

[Daisy]

What it means to be Christian.

Well, I know that but it is obvious you 2 disagree...where do you get your definition from, Clax?

 

[CLAX1911]

Well, I know that but it is obvious you 2 disagree...where do you get your definition from, Clax?

The Bible and the dictionary.