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Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem transported by ambulance to DC-area hospital, sources say

You know, I’ve answered the question consistently. I literally do not care. I keep saying that. I’ve explained I don’t hate Noem. Now of course it is if I don’t like someone do I not care.

What I don’t understand is why I seem to infuriate you so much. Is it because I really don’t care? I don’t hate the RW, so I must be lying?

I’ve given examples. I’ve used analogy. I’ve come right out and reiterated the same message repeatedly. I don’t care. I don’t understand why this upset you. I mean at this point you resemble Burt Reynolds in Smokey and the Bandit II screaming at the Gas Station Attendant that “you have to love me”.

That’s the great thing about America. I’m free to give a shit or not. It’s not required that we love the Political Leaders. I don’t love them, or hate them.

Now to satisfy the Department of Redundancy Department. I don’t care if Noem lives or dies. I would not feel relief at her recovery and would not feel joy if she died. I literally do not give a flying duck.

It's very odd that rather than focusing on the topic, you keep obsessively posting about a fictional emotional state that doesn't exist for me.

Instead of trying to distract with poorly disguised fallacies and passive aggressive tactics like calling me emotional, you should just provide evidence to support your claim that experiential variables like the expression of empathy has built-in upper limits, which you have not done as of yet.

Of course you aren't going to be able to do such a thing, because your assertion is not grounded in any evidentiary basis whatsoever. You just made it up out of thin air. You already know this, which is why you're making unnecessarily verbose posts in which you provide no evidence that's being asked of you, and instead choose to desperately ramble with passive aggressive ad hominem fallacies.

Does this flamebait posting tactic you're using typically work to provoke reactionary anger from other posters? It obviously doesn't work on me, which is why you keep responding in spite of your claim that you "literally do not care." A person who legitimately doesn't care would be indifferent, whereas a person who does care would do things like repeatedly posting nothing but ad hominem fallacies.

If you don't have any scientific evidence to support your claims about empathy being limited, you can just say so. It's nothing to be embarrassed about, and you really have no reason to personally attack me for the simple request that you support your own claims.
 
Hell, it works for Donald Trump daily.

Yes, it does.

I'll never understand how anyone could allow themselves to fall for flamebait tactics and give trolls like Trump the hyper-emotional response they're looking for. They're literally rewarding him for being a troll. It's basic operant conditioning and Behaviorism 101.
 
Yes, it does.

I'll never understand how anyone could allow themselves to fall for flamebait tactics and give trolls like Trump the hyper-emotional response they're looking for. They're literally rewarding him for being a troll. It's basic operant conditioning and Behaviorism 101.
Well, because he's the president of the United States, acting like a child to get his way, and people have to react to him.

He's basically giving orders through social media. And a bunch of it is flamebait.



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Or, alternatively, the Ayatollahs and IRGC are all put up against the wall and Iran becomes a democracy. I would bet that if the Iranian people were freed of the bastards running them and syphoning off their wealth, and the sanctions were lifted, Iran could give any Western nation a run for their money in terms of freedom, openness and economic dynamism. It could become an absolute haven for an untold numbers of expats the same way Spain and Portugal are except with even better food. Nothing against Spain, but Persian cuisine is second-to-none.
Really all we have to do is wait for the old guard to die off. Iran has an unusual population by age. There are old people and young people with only a relative few in between. That generation was decimated by wars.

The youth wants to join the rest of the world. They protest when that can get you killed.

And Israel is killing them. Possibly to avoid the westernization of Iran.
 
Of course and notice our pro allowing ICE to not identify are not explaining how to identify them as real or fake.
They don’t understand the issues they scream about. Have you ever had a MAGA do anything but parrot? Have a valid point based on facts and reality?

I haven’t.
 
Stop playing the victim and answer the questions I posed.

You pretending that I assertively put words in your mouth when I literally asked you to explain your position is the worst kind of cop out tactic.

If you’re incapable of defending your position with logic, just say so instead of making posts with junior high victim playing nonsense and elaborate forms of avoidance.

As of now you have not explained any evidence as to how the experiential element of empathy is finite.

Instead, you’re continuously skirting the question of whether or not you choose to suspend ethical principles as soon as you don’t like someone. I can understand why you want to avoid saying if that’s the case though, because it would be an admission that it’s utterly fake bullshit when you claim to be outraged about others like Noem being uncaring assholes. 🤷🏾‍♂️
Empathy is a particularly Homo sapiens trait. A handful of animals, like dogs have some of this in their behavior. Tends to show up in pack animals like us.

But the evil should suffer, especially those who demonstrate zero empathy themselves. Noem has zero empathy that I have ever seen. Revels in cruelty, actually.

Turning the other cheek eventually just leads to both sides of your face getting beat up.
 
What about them suggests to you the are legitimate federal agents?

The labeled flak jackets kind of give it away. The badges they are required to show also would give it away.

And, most significant of all, they're taking someone into custody. If they were fake, they would be demanding money instead of taking someone into custody.
 
The labeled flak jackets kind of give it away. The badges they are required to show also would give it away.

And, most significant of all, they're taking someone into custody. If they were fake, they would be demanding money instead of taking someone into custody.
You realize those same flack jackets are easily bought online? Taking someone into custody doesn’t make them real.
Why would bounty hunters or even a fake cop demand money in public?

They aren’t showing badges on demand or a warrant…thats the freaking problem

Here is an issue I see…no warrant no ID and the beards…dress code at DHS doesn’t allow beards.
 
Let me show you a little clearer how hard it is to distinguish and why warrants and identification is important. This guy is a fake federal agent
 

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You realize those same flack jackets are easily bought online? Taking someone into custody doesn’t make them real.

Even if one can buy body armor labeled with embroidery such as "POLICE" or "ICE," there is a certification process to be allowed to obtain legitimate embroideries, and if a non-LEO is walking around with such body armor or LEO uniforms and telling people what to do, detaining people, etc., they would be arrested and charged with impersonating a LEO.

We don't dismantle every law enforcement agency because someone could decide to commit the crime of impersonating an officer.

Why would bounty hunters or even a fake cop demand money in public?

There are well-known scams involving people impersonating ICE and other LEO to shake down people for money.

The more central question is why do you think people would be impersonating ICE and taking random people into custody? What would they be doing with those people and what would their motivations be in making fake arrests?

They aren’t showing badges on demand or a warrant…thats the freaking problem

Incorrect. ICE officers wear badges and carry credentials with their name and corresponding organization. ICE officers identify themselves as immigration officers at the time an individual is placed under arrest or as soon as it is practical and safe to do so.”

And the only time an ICE agent is required to have a judicial warrant is when they are trying to enter a private property, in which case they would of course be required to show a warrant before entering private property unless it's a no-knock warrant due to suspected ongoing criminal activity on the property. In other interactions, they are not even required to have any kind of warrant to take people into custody, so there's often no warrant to provide at all.

Here is an issue I see…no warrant no ID and the beards…dress code at DHS doesn’t allow beards.

If they're wearing the badges and not required to have a warrant, I'm not really concerned with how they choose to style their facial hair. It's completely irrelevant.
 
Even if one can buy body armor labeled with embroidery such as "POLICE" or "ICE," there is a certification process to be allowed to obtain legitimate embroideries, and if a non-LEO is walking around with such body armor or LEO uniforms and telling people what to do, detaining people, etc., they would be arrested and charged with impersonating a LEO.

We don't dismantle every law enforcement agency because someone could decide to commit the crime of impersonating an officer.



There are well-known scams involving people impersonating ICE and other LEO to shake down people for money.

The more central question is why do you think people would be impersonating ICE and taking random people into custody? What would they be doing with those people and what would their motivations be in making fake arrests?



Incorrect. ICE officers wear badges and carry credentials with their name and corresponding organization. ICE officers identify themselves as immigration officers at the time an individual is placed under arrest or as soon as it is practical and safe to do so.”

And the only time an ICE agent is required to have a judicial warrant is when they are trying to enter a private property, in which case they would of course be required to show a warrant before entering private property unless it's a no-knock warrant due to suspected ongoing criminal activity on the property. In other interactions, they are not even required to have any kind of warrant to take people into custody, so there's often no warrant to provide at all.



If they're wearing the badges and not required to have a warrant, I'm not really concerned with how they choose to style their facial hair. It's completely irrelevant.
I didn’t say dismantle anything. Im stating because this is an issue that legit law enforcement need to show credentials and a warrant on demand
 
I didn’t say dismantle anything. Im stating because this is an issue that legit law enforcement need to show credentials and a warrant on demand

They do show credentials. ICE agents wear their badges in plain sight, as my link showed.

And they don't require warrants much, if not most, of the time. Unless they have a judicial warrant to go into a private property, there is not a requirement for a warrant at all, let along a requirement to show a non-existent warrant.
 
It's very odd that rather than focusing on the topic, you keep obsessively posting about a fictional emotional state that doesn't exist for me.

Instead of trying to distract with poorly disguised fallacies and passive aggressive tactics like calling me emotional, you should just provide evidence to support your claim that experiential variables like the expression of empathy has built-in upper limits, which you have not done as of yet.

Of course you aren't going to be able to do such a thing, because your assertion is not grounded in any evidentiary basis whatsoever. You just made it up out of thin air. You already know this, which is why you're making unnecessarily verbose posts in which you provide no evidence that's being asked of you, and instead choose to desperately ramble with passive aggressive ad hominem fallacies.

Does this flamebait posting tactic you're using typically work to provoke reactionary anger from other posters? It obviously doesn't work on me, which is why you keep responding in spite of your claim that you "literally do not care." A person who legitimately doesn't care would be indifferent, whereas a person who does care would do things like repeatedly posting nothing but ad hominem fallacies.

If you don't have any scientific evidence to support your claims about empathy being limited, you can just say so. It's nothing to be embarrassed about, and you really have no reason to personally attack me for the simple request that you support your own claims.

The Topic is Kristy Noem rushed to hospital for an allergic reaction. It all started between us when I said I didn’t care and had no sympathy for her. Then the topic shifted to trying to claim I was glad, happy, or pleased that she had this medical event.

Since that time, according to you, the real topic is how awful and heartless I am for not caring about Noem. In every reply I have mentioned the real topic, Noem’s event and my apathy as you try and twist it into other things to quantify how awful and heartless I am.
 
The Topic is Kristy Noem rushed to hospital for an allergic reaction. It all started between us when I said I didn’t care and had no sympathy for her. Then the topic shifted to trying to claim I was glad, happy, or pleased that she had this medical event.

Since that time, according to you, the real topic is how awful and heartless I am for not caring about Noem. In every reply I have mentioned the real topic, Noem’s event and my apathy as you try and twist it into other things to quantify how awful and heartless I am.

If that's the case, then why did you insert this into the discussion?

I’m one of those A-holes that matches energy. If you are respectful and polite, you will find I am too. If you are hostile and insulting, I’ll match that energy. I call it doing unto others what they do.

Kristy Noem doesn’t give a damn about people. So why should I give a damn about her? I’ll save my compassion for innocents who deserve it.

You chose to bring your own characteristics and choices into the discussion, not me. I merely asked you to explain in further detail how those traits you so readily decided to share with everyone apply in other circumstances of people suffering harm, illness, death, etc.

Given what you proudly declared about yourself, it was a completely valid question. You gave me a lot of information when you immediately got so defensive about answering such a straightforward question and falsely accused me of putting words in your mouth when I asked questions without making any assertions.

It's obvious that, for some reason, you don't want to acknowledge that you personally choose to grant empathy only when you like or approve of someone, and that you're okay with suspending such empathy when it's someone you don't like or approve of. But instead of taking ownership of your own boldly-asserted approach toward other people, you made a patently absurd and unproven claim that "empathy" is a finite experience.

You could've simply answered the question and said, "Yeah, I only give empathy to people who I think deserve it, and that's my choice." Instead, you posted a bunch of irrelevant and failed efforts to bait me into anger.

My original question was easy and straightforward. Whether you meant them to be or not, your endless string of avoidant responses ever since then are very informative.
 
They do show credentials. ICE agents wear their badges in plain sight, as my link showed.

And they don't require warrants much, if not most, of the time. Unless they have a judicial warrant to go into a private property, there is not a requirement for a warrant at all, let along a requirement to show a non-existent warrant.
No, they aren’t. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. There are plenty of videos of them refusing to identify and refusing to show a warrant.

To effect an arrest on private property they do need a warrant
 
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