Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem transported by ambulance to DC-area hospital, sources say

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False premise again. I'm agnostic. My name/avatar is a joke.

I was talking about the MAGA part.

 

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False premise again. I'm agnostic. My name/avatar is a joke.

ou only replied to the bottom part. Any comment on the former?

 

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And as I already said multiple times, nobody is claiming that impersonating LEO doesn't happen. And nobody is suggesting that there shouldn't be laws against it.

Is your take the ICE shouldn't do their job because someone might try to impersonate them? If that's not your position, then what exactly is your point and reason in the context of this discussion for even bringing up the crime of impersonating a LEO?

is is the “failure to draw the line” fallacy.

Being against how they are doing it is not necessarily condemnation of what they are doing.

The fact that obvious, more effective solutions have never been tried demonstrates that it’s dominance theater not crisis correction.

 

[Hello My Son]

Actually, it’s Asperger’s.

No, it's not.

And, FYI, it's no longer called Asperger's. It's now just Autism Spectrum Disorder, or ASD.

I don’t have your instincts.

People with ASD don't lack empathy skills or possess sadistic and narcissistic traits. These are definitely not a characteristics or diagnostic criteria of autism. They are, however, characteristics and criteria of Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is something that all psychopaths and sociopaths have.

From my point of view y’all are quite insane, doing things constantly that make no rational sense.

More ad hominem. You do that a lot. Have you considered being rational instead of engaging in irrational fallacies?

By the way, a person with ASD would be inherently logically-driven and would therefore not be prone to engaging in ad hominem fallacies at all. The autistic brain is extremely rational, often to a fault, which is a major reason for the socio-relational impairment they typically endure.

 

[Hello My Son]

Th

is is the “failure to draw the line” fallacy.

Being against how they are doing it is not necessarily condemnation of what they are doing.

The fact that obvious, more effective solutions have never been tried demonstrates that it’s dominance theater not crisis correction.

I asked you a question. That is not a fallacy. Asserting something in the form of a declarative comment would've been necessary for me to have committed any fallacy.

Instead, I asked you a clarifying question, which is not fallacious because it provided you an open-ended opportunity to explain your position in more detail.

What specifically do you think are "more effective solutions" that haven't been tried to address this issue?

 

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I asked you a question. That is not a fallacy. Asserting something in the form of a declarative comment would've been necessary for me to have committed any fallacy.

Instead, I asked you a clarifying question, which is not fallacious because it provided you an open-ended opportunity to explain your position in more detail.

What specifically do you think are "more effective solutions" that haven't been tried to address this issue?

Well, there is the quite obvious method of going after their employers in big agriculture, meat processing, hospitality, etc.

All of which Trump briefly gave a pass to.

Republicans have never done this beyond which looks much more like theater or just good old fashioned taking out a competitor for a big donor.

I have posited a plan here on this board years ago that uses a heavy fine per head with a reward system for turning them in. Bankrupt a couple of companies, but a hurt on some homeowners for picking up illegals at Home Depot and the jobs will dry up and they’ll stop coming. All to put the suffering on those actually responsible.

Nobody asked to be born. Nobody asked to be born in a place that has never recovered from multiple attempts by western capitalism to spread their nations legs for them. So I hear immigrants no animosity. But I do for those who revel in their torment while scapegoating them for political, economic cover.

 

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No, it's not.

And, FYI, it's no longer called Asperger's. It's now just Autism Spectrum Disorder, or ASD.



People with ASD don't lack empathy skills or possess sadistic and narcissistic traits. These are definitely not a characteristics or diagnostic criteria of autism. They are, however, characteristics and criteria of Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is something that all psychopaths and sociopaths have.



More ad hominem. You do that a lot. Have you considered being rational instead of engaging in irrational fallacies?

By the way, a person with ASD would be inherently logically-driven and would therefore not be prone to engaging in ad hominem fallacies at all. The autistic brain is extremely rational, often to a fault, which is a major reason for the socio-relational impairment they typically endure.

Yeah. They decided that they didn’t want a “bad” and “good” autism. It’s like saying “cancer” instead of breast cancer or lung cancer. It is a distinct condition. I’ve lived with two autistic kids. Their condition bears no resemblance to mine.

“The condition formerly known as Asperger’s” is too hard to type.

 

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Yeah. They decided that they didn’t want a “bad” and “good” autism. It’s like saying “cancer” instead of breast cancer or lung cancer. It is a distinct condition. I’ve lived with two autistic kids. Their condition bears no resemblance to mine.

“The condition formerly known as Asperger’s” is too hard to type.

Yeah, I just call it Asperger's too.

I think it is often referred to now as high-functioning ASD.

But that's actually a misnomer, in my opinion. At least some people with what we used to call aspergers can have great difficulty "functioning highly", though they are usually above average intelligence.

 

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Yeah, I just call it Asperger's too.

I think it is often referred to now as high-functioning ASD.

But that's actually a misnomer, in my opinion. At least some people with what we used to call aspergers can have great difficulty "functioning highly", though they are usually above average intelligence.

Myself I got spacial/conceptual genius as my “aspie bonus” (one of the things that makes it a specific condition) this allowed me to use observation and experimentation to deal with my lack of some social instincts.

Which fell quickly into manipulation which led to making manipulation forbidden behavior. But it also made me immune to most persuasion techniques.

They use “missing social cues” when it’s actually lack of or low expression of social instincts. For some reason as a species we don’t like to think we have instincts. But our brains did not replace those of earlier hominids or mammals. They just have added parts. We still have the reptile brain in our structures. The mammal brain. Etc. The most potent example is women who find themselves alone when their pregnancy comes to term and manage to deliver their baby all by themselves. They just know how.

I don’t like it when feelings counter precision. English is the international language of science because it is the most effective at expressing exactly what you mean. “Autism spectrum disorder” is like saying asthma and lung cancer and emphysema are lung disease. They are, but it’s not a helpful descriptor. Requires further explanation when the specific term would have done it already.

 

[SavannahMann]

I just saw that Noem was released from the hospital. Three days for an allergic reaction? What? I've had anaphylaxis. They shoot you full of Epi and Benadryl. The treatment is pretty well known and routine at this point. Three days?

That does not sound like an allergic reaction. If she didn't have an Epi Pen, the Ambulance certainly did. That would stabilize her for transport and treatment. It is a routine deal now. I mean Med Students learn it in year one. As Doctors they will see it, and the treatment is textbook simple. Epi and Benadryl. I got it in the Army when I had an allergic reaction to a Wasp Sting. I was released an hour later with instructions to get back to the barracks before I fell asleep from the Benadryl.

Even if the reaction was severe, I can't imagine them keeping you more than overnight for it.

Something isn't adding up here gang.

 

[Lursa]

I just saw that Noem was released from the hospital. Three days for an allergic reaction? What? I've had anaphylaxis. They shoot you full of Epi and Benadryl. The treatment is pretty well known and routine at this point. Three days?

That does not sound like an allergic reaction. If she didn't have an Epi Pen, the Ambulance certainly did. That would stabilize her for transport and treatment. It is a routine deal now. I mean Med Students learn it in year one. As Doctors they will see it, and the treatment is textbook simple. Epi and Benadryl. I got it in the Army when I had an allergic reaction to a Wasp Sting. I was released an hour later with instructions to get back to the barracks before I fell asleep from the Benadryl.

Even if the reaction was severe, I can't imagine them keeping you more than overnight for it.

Something isn't adding up here gang.

Where's RFK? I want to know if this is connected to their visit to that facility. How's his health? Is he ok and how could anybody tell?

 

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I just saw that Noem was released from the hospital. Three days for an allergic reaction? What? I've had anaphylaxis. They shoot you full of Epi and Benadryl. The treatment is pretty well known and routine at this point. Three days?

That does not sound like an allergic reaction. If she didn't have an Epi Pen, the Ambulance certainly did. That would stabilize her for transport and treatment. It is a routine deal now. I mean Med Students learn it in year one. As Doctors they will see it, and the treatment is textbook simple. Epi and Benadryl. I got it in the Army when I had an allergic reaction to a Wasp Sting. I was released an hour later with instructions to get back to the barracks before I fell asleep from the Benadryl.

Even if the reaction was severe, I can't imagine them keeping you more than overnight for it.

Something isn't adding up here gang.

This is absolutely true. My anaphylaxis will be fatal if I do not respond quickly and in the right way. But for me, even just DPH is enough. 20 minutes... I'm breathing easily. 45 minutes... I'm back to normal, but really really tired from the benedryl.

There was some complication or something else besides anaphylaxis is going on here. It has to be one of those.

 

[SavannahMann]

This is absolutely true. My anaphylaxis will be fatal if I do not respond quickly and in the right way. But for me, even just DPH is enough. 20 minutes... I'm breathing easily. 45 minutes... I'm back to normal, but really really tired from the benedryl.

There was some complication or something else besides anaphylaxis is going on here. It has to be one of those.

Knowing the trend of this Administration, and their tendency to lie about everything including the sunrise, I suspect it was not an allergic reaction. I mean Epi-Pens have been around for decades at this point. My Doctor gives me a couple more every year, even if I don't use them to replace expired meds.

So I'm not buying the Allergic Reaction. But it sounds just serious enough to cover a trip to the Hospital. But for the millions of us with that particular condition of severe allergic reactions the three days doesn't fit. I am not guessing what really happened, but an allergic reaction is not what happened.

 

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Knowing the trend of this Administration, and their tendency to lie about everything including the sunrise, I suspect it was not an allergic reaction. I mean Epi-Pens have been around for decades at this point. My Doctor gives me a couple more every year, even if I don't use them to replace expired meds.

So I'm not buying the Allergic Reaction. But it sounds just serious enough to cover a trip to the Hospital. But for the millions of us with that particular condition of severe allergic reactions the three days doesn't fit. I am not guessing what really happened, but an allergic reaction is not what happened.

Well... let's be honest. This is ALL speculation. She COULD have had regular old anaphylaxis. That can put strain on your heart or other organs. There could have been an abnormal ECG when she was admitted. There could have been any number of other abnormalities when they ran standard tests. There could have been concurrent abnormal symptoms. Or it could have been a classic allergic reaction but they do not know what caused it, and especially in light of that trip there was an abundance of caution. On top of that she is a VIP, and therefore probably they would err in caution more frequently than not.

Just about ANY of those explanations is closer to Occam's razor than conspiracy.

 

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This is absolutely true. My anaphylaxis will be fatal if I do not respond quickly and in the right way. But for me, even just DPH is enough. 20 minutes... I'm breathing easily. 45 minutes... I'm back to normal, but really really tired from the benedryl.

There was some complication or something else besides anaphylaxis is going on here. It has to be one of those.

When the allergen is embedded within your lips, it’s more complicated.

 

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When the allergen is embedded within your lips, it’s more complicated.

Seriously, 20 pages of the same stupid hateful joke.

 

[SavannahMann]

Well... let's be honest. This is ALL speculation. She COULD have had regular old anaphylaxis. That can put strain on your heart or other organs. There could have been an abnormal ECG when she was admitted. There could have been any number of other abnormalities when they ran standard tests. There could have been concurrent abnormal symptoms. Or it could have been a classic allergic reaction but they do not know what caused it, and especially in light of that trip there was an abundance of caution. On top of that she is a VIP, and therefore probably they would err in caution more frequently than not.

Just about ANY of those explanations is closer to Occam's razor than conspiracy.

Three days worth? I was in the hospital for less time with a broken ankle surgery. I spent two days with an appendix that was literally gangrene. Then only because the antibiotics couldn’t be administered in any way but intravenously.

My problem is this administration would rather eat a raw turd than tell the truth about the time of day. So anything they say is viewed with skepticism. Three days for an allergic reaction, no complications mentioned, is frankly speaking, baloney.

I repeat for the Department of Redundancy Department. I don’t know what it was. I do not believe it was an allergic reaction.

 

[Threegoofs]

Seriously, 20 pages of the same stupid hateful joke.

It’s not a joke. It’s what most likely occurred.