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Headlines are wrong: DADT has not been repealed

SheWolf said:
Until the federal government recognizes gay marriage.. I don't think that would be an issue or even something they would seriously consider
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Thats the point they will claim discrimination because they can not marry
 
ptif219 said:
Thats the point they will claim discrimination because they can not marry
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Which is a good thing because they are being discriminated against.
 
ptif219 said:
Thats the point they will claim discrimination because they can not marry
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Active military members (i.e. their families or anyone else by proxy) cannot sue the federal government, even for something like unfair housing. The most they can do is file complaints.

And DOMA would most likely go down from the court cases already in the courts before any such case had a chance of reaching the Supreme Court.
 
roguenuke said:
Active military members (i.e. their families or anyone else by proxy) cannot sue the federal government, even for something like unfair housing. The most they can do is file complaints.

And DOMA would most likely go down from the court cases already in the courts before any such case had a chance of reaching the Supreme Court.
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Except gay groups not attached to the military can bring lawsuits
 
ptif219 said:
No it means special treatment for gays which may cause more problems for military morale
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No, there is zero special treatment for gays in repealing DADT. You are factually in error.
 
ptif219 said:
Except gay groups not attached to the military can bring lawsuits
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Not quite true either. They would lack standing in bringing those lawsuits, which is the problem that such groups had with legal challenges to DADT.
 
Again, this is not a question of whether gays can serve in the military — they always have; it's a question of how honest they may be regarding their identity. DADT compelled them to lie. With the repeal that enforced deceit will now be lifted. That's not to say they must be honest, only that they may be now without official repercussions. The useless, counterproductive witch hunts are over.

I think it's bad politics to try and block or delay the DADT repeal's implementation; the nation and the military brass have moved on even if the incoming chairman of the House Armed Services Committee has not. The smart politics says go on to the important stuff like policy decisions surrounding counter-insurgency versus counter-terrorism and other things.
 
Redress said:
So you have no facts to back up your claim and are just evading it now?
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No I have made a decision not to respond to mods. It has in the past lead to being banned so I now ignore all mods. I can not put you on ignore but I do not have to respond so I don't get banned.
 
ptif219 said:
No I have made a decision not to respond to mods. It has in the past lead to being banned so I now ignore all mods. I can not put you on ignore but I do not have to respond so I don't get banned.
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wow..thats a cop out if I've ever seen one.

If the mods here work as other mods that I have seen in other forums then any mod that is conversationally talking to you then that mod may not ban you or chastise you. It would take another mod that is neutral to do so.

But hey, if you insist on standing your ground on this how about you answer his post anyways only you may direct it at me. Because I am wondering the samething as Redress.
 
I have not responded to a mod just informed the thread in a general reply to no one as a courtesy as to why I do not respond to mods. Complaints against mods have done nothing
 
ptif219 said:
No it means special treatment for gays which may cause more problems for military morale
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???

explain to me, please, how NOT denying gays the same rights that straights possess means SPECIAL treatment for gays?

that is like saying the Civil Rights Amendment provided "special treatment" for african americans.

geo.
 
Geo Patric said:
???

explain to me, please, how NOT denying gays the same rights that straights possess means SPECIAL treatment for gays?

that is like saying the Civil Rights Amendment provided "special treatment" for african americans.

geo.
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Gays have the same rights as others in the military. Listen to Obama he is suggesting civil unions which gays reject because they want to poke Christians in the eye
 
ptif219 said:
Gays have the same rights as others in the military. Listen to Obama he is suggesting civil unions which gays reject because they want to poke Christians in the eye
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Gays can and do get married in Christian churches.
 
ptif219 said:
Gays have the same rights as others in the military. Listen to Obama he is suggesting civil unions which gays reject because they want to poke Christians in the eye
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What does civil unions have to do with gays in the military?
 
ptif219 said:
They claim to be Christian. You will not see me in that kind of a church that waters down the word of God to accept people in the church and allows them to live in their sin.
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Okay good for you. No one is forcing you to do that.
 
I think we should go completely coed next.
 
ptif219 said:
Gays have the same rights as others in the military. Listen to Obama he is suggesting civil unions which gays reject because they want to poke Christians in the eye
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No they don't, not with DADT in place anyway. A gay servicemember cannot claim his/her boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife at a military function as being such, a straight servicemember can. That is not equal rights.

And not very many people care what Obama wants or doesn't. I'm pretty sure that there were plenty of people that wanted to give interracial couples only civil unions (granted, Pres. Johnson most likely wasn't one of them, but I bet there were at least a few southern Congressmen and possibly even some from other areas that did). DOMA is most likely going to be declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, so it will completely bypass Congress and the President and whatever any of them want. Same sex marriage will be treated the same as opposite sex marriage.

Plus, as to your comment on "watered down" Christianity, I'm pretty sure that there are other Christians out there who would consider your version of Christianity "watered down". You only get to dictate what Christianity is to you, not to others. They get to decide what religion they are and what they want to believe.
 
ptif219 said:
I have not responded to a mod just informed the thread in a general reply to no one as a courtesy as to why I do not respond to mods. Complaints against mods have done nothing
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Dungeon Masters aren't mods.

I just wanted to throw that out there. :mrgreen:
 
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