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What does atheism have to do with science?
What does atheism have to do with science?Why would an atheist think an out of body experience is a sign of an afterlife when there is no scientific evidence to support the existence of an afterlife? The OOB experience may have been caused by physiological changes in the brain.
What does atheism have to do with science?
Can someone believe in an a God but not an afterlife?
Then you agree with scourge.
scourge99 said:atheism does not address an afterlife. atheism/theism is about belief in gods. nothing more. nothing less.
Can you please explain what "afterlife" you are talking about?The issue is whether being an atheist is logically compatible with believing in an afterlife. If you are arguing that an atheist can hold irrational and illogical beliefs, then you're not saying much.
Play "Twister" much?If you are arguing that an atheist can hold irrational and illogical beliefs, then you're not saying much.
Can you please explain what "afterlife" you are talking about?
Which afterlife you are talking about?
Or are you just talking about the afterlife that YOU believe in?
The First Law of Energy Conservation states that Energy cannot be created nor destroyed,it can only change forms.
I think it is very logical to think that "The soul" is made up of some type of energy/matter that we do no understand and as of yet been unable to detect.
I gave examples of where the soul could go after the body dies.
1-Re-Incarnation into another form in this universe.
2-Re-incarnation into another form in another universe.
You didn't explain why those two examples are wrong?
Play "Twister" much?
Seems to me that you have yet to prove that being an atheist and believing in an afterlife is irrational and illogical.
That's your failure,don't take it out on me.
You don't have list all the things you believe in,but if you would be so kind to at least answer these three questions.
1-What exactly do you mean by "God"?
2-Why do you believe
3-Are people who do not believe in God the way YOU do being illogical and irrationable?
No.
This is false. For some, atheism may address an afterlife. Scourge is making a sweeping statement imputing his own beliefs about atheism to all atheists. Some atheists may or may not address an afterlife in their truth-claims regarding atheism.
What do you think scourge is saying about atheists?
scourge99 said:atheism does not address an afterlife.
its true of atheism, which is all i said.I think he said this:
scourge99 said:atheism does not address an afterlife.
Which is only true of some atheists.
its true of atheism, which is all i said.
anarcho-fascist reiterated this perfectly when he said: Atheists can address the truth claims of an afterlife, atheism does not.
I have a theory I’d like to run by you people. Unhappy people are atheist, they want life to be over and hope that when you die that’s it; you just go to sleep forever. Happy people tend to look for someone to thank and turn to god; they like life and want more of it.
I had no one to talk to about this. One night in that Greek hotel I looked in the mirror and said out loud, "I don't believe in God." I said it slowly, enunciating it carefully, in Somali. And I felt relief.
It felt right. There was no pain, but a real clarity. The long process of seeing the flaws in my belief structure and carefully tiptoeing around the frayed edges as parts of it were torn out, piece by piece - that was all over. The angels, watching from my shoulders; the mental tension about having sex without marriage, and drinking alcohol, and not observing any religious obligations-they were gone. The ever-present prospect of hellfire lifted, and my horizon seemed broader. God, Satan, angels: these were all figments of human imagination. From now on I could step firmly on the ground that was under my feet and navigate based on my own reason and self-respect. My moral compass was within myself, not in the pages of a sacred book.
For example?On the other hand, certain varieties of strong atheism do address the nonexistence of afterlife.
For example?
I had no one to talk to about this. One night in that Greek hotel I looked in the mirror and said out loud, "I don't believe in God." I said it slowly, enunciating it carefully, in Somali. And I felt relief.
It felt right. There was no pain, but a real clarity. The long process of seeing the flaws in my belief structure and carefully tiptoeing around the frayed edges as parts of it were torn out, piece by piece - that was all over. The angels, watching from my shoulders; the mental tension about having sex without marriage, and drinking alcohol, and not observing any religious obligations-they were gone. The ever-present prospect of hellfire lifted, and my horizon seemed broader. God, Satan, angels: these were all figments of human imagination. From now on I could step firmly on the ground that was under my feet and navigate based on my own reason and self-respect. My moral compass was within myself, not in the pages of a sacred book.
"Atheism" may or may not address the afterlife, it depends on the particular type of atheism.
ive asked you before to define "passive atheism". it appears to be a term you have made up. is it just another term you use for "weak atheism"?your view is apparently weak or passive atheist, which in your case does not.
On the other hand, certain varieties of strong atheism do address the nonexistence of afterlife.
i am a weak atheist.This is why you are over reaching in attempting to ascribe your particular subvariety of atheism to all atheists generally.
Of course, none of this addresses the OP. Belief in that which does not exist has no direct correlation on one's happiness.
You still don't understand. Please read carefully what we are saying. You are using a definition of atheism that means "non-belief in the supernatural". We are not saying that atheists don't have opinions of the supernatural. Ayaan Hirsi Ali rejected not just her God belief, but also multiple supernatural phenomenon and religious doctrines. If she had discarded her belief in God, but not any of the other things she would still be an atheist. She may have dropped all those beliefs for the same reason as she dropped her belief in God, and her atheism might be a central part of a materialistic worldview, but that doesn't mean that her atheism itself addresses more than whether she believes in God(s).Examples are plentiful. See the quote The Rev Kros just provided:
Which is only true of some atheists.
No, it's true of all atheists. Atheism is the answer to a single question: do you believe in god(s). Anything beyond that question isn't atheism. It may be shared by some, many or most atheists, but it still has nothing to do with atheism itself. Atheism, in and of itself, has nothing whatsoever to do with any afterlife.
Well put. Too many people confuse atheism (which is a singular belief) with religion (which is a set of beliefs), perhaps because of the attempts to portray it as such by the religious, but in truth, it is not a set of beliefs at all. It is simple a singular belief (or lack of a single belief).
Which is why Buddhism, contrary to what someone said earlier in this thread, is actually an atheistic religion.
Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity, which implies that nothing exists but natural phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter, and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or which transcend nature, or are “super” natural, nor can there be. Humankind is on its own.
Which is why Buddhism, contrary to what someone said earlier in this thread, is actually an atheistic religion.
No, it's true of all atheists. Atheism is the answer to a single question: do you believe in god(s). Anything beyond that question isn't atheism. It may be shared by some, many or most atheists, but it still has nothing to do with atheism itself. Atheism, in and of itself, has nothing whatsoever to do with any afterlife.
I find it ironic that, as an atheist, you can be so doctrinaire. You are pigeonholing all atheists into your particular belief system. For some people, such as the author quoted earlier by The Rev Kros, atheism does speak to the nonexistence of the afterlife.
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