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There's no way in hell something that oppressive and stupid could ever go over here in the states.
Are you talking about the burqa?
There's no way in hell something that oppressive and stupid could ever go over here in the states.
Are you talking about the burqa?
Security cameras are only for private businesses or govt buildings. They can impose whatever rules they wish for those who enter their premises. But on the streets? It doesn't matter if I cover my face.No, it's to protect the well-being of some women who are forced to wear burqas, and to protect our security (everyone should be recognizable while walking in the streets, if your face is covered the security cameras are useless)
No, they do not. Not any more than nun habits or yamikas (sp?)Since burqas prevent integration, yes
How the hell does a piece of fabric turn someone into a "lesser being"? I put a piece of cotton over my face and I suddenly become a "lesser being"?It is considering them as equal; burqas turn them into lesser beings.
All that was necessary was the fine for threatening violence to someone. Everything else just punishes ALL women who wear burkas, by choice or not.The 150€ fine concerns the security reasons (not covering your face in public). The small importance of the fine, compared to the 30,000€ fine for those who force women to wear burqas, shows what is the main priority of the law.
no, I'm talking about removing a woman's freedom to wear it.
Security cameras are only for private businesses or govt buildings. They can impose whatever rules they wish for those who enter their premises. But on the streets? It doesn't matter if I cover my face.
How the hell does a piece of fabric turn someone into a "lesser being"? I put a piece of cotton over my face and I suddenly become a "lesser being"?
All that was necessary was the fine for threatening violence to someone. Everything else just punishes ALL women who wear burkas, by choice or not.
But you agree that in some cases they are forced to wear it?
How ironic they should think that. We dont need people like that over here. Hopefully this ban will drive them out to an opressive, violent and authoritarian country in the Middle East since they despise our freedoms so much.
Of course. Women in relationships are forced to wear many different items of clothing all over the world. Some husbands are domineering and through threat of violence force their wives to wear what THEY want them to. This is not exclusive to burquas or muslims by any means.
Should we ban all clothes?
No, just the burqa, because it is too extreme. Prevents communication with others, and deshumanizes them by hiding their face.
No, just the burqa, because it is too extreme. Prevents communication with others, and deshumanizes them by hiding their face.
No, it would not. There's nothing, NOTHING, short of becoming brain dead that could turn someone into a "lesser being".It's the same as if they forced women to walk on all fours with a leash. That would just be a leash but that would turn you into a lesser being, too.
If that's true, so then what was the point of the legislation fining people for forcing someone to wear one? I mean, if you can't tell, then isn't the fine pretty ****ing pointless?The problem is that we can't tell who is forced and who is not. So it's better to ban it for everyone, because we consider that it's not acceptable at all if someone is forced to wear it.
Of course. Women in relationships are forced to wear many different items of clothing all over the world. Some husbands are domineering and through threat of violence force their wives to wear what THEY want them to. This is not exclusive to burquas or muslims by any means.
Should we ban all clothes?
I'm not passing judgement on them, it's just what I have observed. I have a good number of Muslim friends, and we generally avoid the subject of religion altogether. I'm just saying that their religion is much more important to them than western ideas of freedom.
That's just silly. I've seen men force their girlfriends to dress like hookers. That is just as dehumanizingg to me. It turns then into a piece of meat. It's not the clothes that are to blame, bub. It's the intimidating behavior exhibited by their men that is to blame and we already have laws against that.
No, it would not. There's nothing, NOTHING, short of becoming brain dead that could turn someone into a "lesser being".
If that's true, so then what was the point of the legislation fining people for forcing someone to wear one? I mean, if you can't tell, then isn't the fine pretty ****ing pointless?
You have a point. However in some places, it is forbidden to enter dressed like a hooker .
The difference here is the conflict between our culture and the shiite culture and the fact they threaten our values, when your usual domestic abuse case is normally not fuelled by an ideological movement that could cause the expansion/radicalization of a populace and threaten our values as a whole.
Two quick facts
1) the law does not only ban the burqa, it forbids people to cover their faces in public. The maximum fine is 150€
2) the law creates a new crime: someone who forces someone else to wear a burqa or threatens/attacks someone because she does not wear one, will get a 30.000€ fine and will spend 1 year in jail. The aim of the law is clearly to protect women.
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No, it's to protect the well-being of some women who are forced to wear burqas,
and to protect our security (everyone should be recognizable while walking in the streets, if your face is covered the security cameras are useless)
Since burqas prevent integration, yes
It is considering them as equal; burqas turn them into lesser beings.
It has nothing to do with religion either since the Niqab and Islam are loosely, if at all, related.
The law clearly forbids anybody from covering there faces which clearly has every intention to address a security issue which has helped criminals and terrorists to evade authorities in the past. The wearing of public viels of that type are also a security issue which could pose a threat to the integrity of the safety of our streets.
In regards to this backfiring, i cant see how. They will leave the country at worst.
Viva la France, the ban is a step in the right direction. But they still have a way to go in protecting thier heritage and culture from islamization.
I don't think burka's are appropriate at school. In most jobs they also are not appropriate. In this way anyone wanting to be involved in various occupations will need to compromise and wear what is appropriate.
Of course. Women in relationships are forced to wear many different items of clothing all over the world. Some husbands are domineering and through threat of violence force their wives to wear what THEY want them to. This is not exclusive to burquas or muslims by any means.
Should we ban all clothes?
No, just the burqa, because it is too extreme. Prevents communication with others, and deshumanizes them by hiding their face.