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Who cares, hot air.When that cultural norm is a historical symbol for oppression of her gender then I say **** respecting it.
She is a Catholic, a French Catholic. She of all people understands religious practice/etiquette.If people want to wear a headscarf, that's fine, but the idea of mandating someone to wear one harkens back to it's oppressive roots that I am glad Le Pen stood up to.
Who cares.And I'm no fan of Le Pen.
That is a lie, there are expectations of conduct and practice, yer playing semantic games.
This is just more of the same idiocy as above where an argument is made that visitors can act any way they want in any setting.
Who cares, hot air.
She is a Catholic, a French Catholic. She of all people understands religious practice/etiquette.
Who cares.
That is a lie, there are expectations of conduct and practice, yer playing semantic games.
This is just more of the same idiocy as above where an argument is made that visitors can act any way they want in any setting.
Sure, like during communion, if yer not Baptized and have not gone to Confession, you can go up to the Priest and ask for some extra Hosts and wine to go.No, there isn't. Approach a Catholic mass as you see fit. You want to sit quietly then sit quietly, there is no card check in the communion line, no secret handshake, no nothing. You want to join in then join in. Nobody is telling you you have to do anything.
Another lie, you demand to know what expectations there are on a visitor to a religious setting, since that WAS THE CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD.LOL. That isn't the argument I made. You were the one who tried to link Islamic religious requirements with Catholic requirements.
Again, the context is conduct in a religious setting by a visitor, you just can't handle context.My pointing out that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Catholics in general or Catholic Mass in particular is not an argument that anyone can do anything they want anywhere.
Oh, I see what you did there..you want to conflate open to the public businesses.....with appropriate conduct in a religious setting.I am no more arguing that than I expect you would argue that a gay couple should behave themselves in a Christian Bakery. :2razz:
You mean you are acting in a respectful manner in a religious setting.I can walk into a Catholic mass and stand in the back with my hands in my pockets, or I can sit in the pews and not do anything at all.
Sure, like during communion, if yer not Baptized and have not gone to Confession, you can go up to the Priest and ask for some extra Hosts and wine to go.
Another lie, you demand to know what expectations there are on a visitor to a religious setting, since that WAS THE CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD. Again, the context is conduct in a religious setting by a visitor, you just can't handle context.
Oh, I see what you did there..you want to conflate open to the public businesses.....with appropriate conduct in a religious setting
Weird.
NEWS FLASH!!!This isn't just a religious practice though. This is a religious practice that is rooted in misogyny.
First off, Hinduism has many paternalistic/oppressive practices, and I find it weird that you would expect Le Pen to observe religious etiquette in a Hindu setting, but not in a Muslim setting.I don't know catholic customs, but I do know that when visiting a Hindu temple one should take off their shoes as a sign of respect. I would hope that if Le Pen visited a Hindu temple she would take her shoes off as a sign of respect, and that's because that tradition is not one that is rooted in oppression.
Give it up to AL-washington post, siding with the mysoginisy Muslim leaders... Reading this article it's all about how it was a "stunt", and you can see the sneering this writer had for le penn.
Le Penn stands up for womans rights in the face of islamic-fascism, and the washington post cant be more upset about it.... ALoha snack bar!
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This is complete BS, anyone who grew up in a Catholic family would find your flippant comments laughable....and would end up with severely swollen knuckles courtesy of the Sisters...and worse. Your argument is absurd.Go ahead, feel free. Like I said, we don't card check in the communion line. You can also ask for extra hosts and wine to go if you want, but then the Priest is free to not comply with your own religious requirement that you wish to place on him. See how religious freedom works? Neat, huh? From your comments I see this may be a new concept to you so I will give you time to let it soak in.
Anyone can see you have no standing, you are arguing there is no expected etiquette of visitors.Like I said, I am referring to your claims of an equivalence between Islamic and Catholic requirements which is a bogus claim by you.
You just responded "Feel free" to do what you want at a Mass. It is an absurd argument.You then went into foot stompy mode and claimed that my explanation to you that your imagined demands by Catholics is, well, imaginary and so you then claim that my correction of your erroneous claim of Catholic demands is me arguing that anyone can do anything in any setting. I'm not arguingthat at all,
That is not a counter argument. When you have an argument, let me know.I am simply arguing that you are wrong about Catholic demands on non-Catholics.
That's the topic of the thread. So you're saying you were just here to troll about completely unrelated partisan nonsense?
NEWS FLASH!!!
Nearly all religions are paternalistic.
Hurr Durr.
First off, Hinduism has many paternalistic/oppressive practices, and I find it weird that you would expect Le Pen to observe religious etiquette in a Hindu setting, but not in a Muslim setting.
This is complete BS, anyone who grew up in a Catholic family would find your flippant comments laughable....and would end up with severely swollen knuckles courtesy of the Sisters...and worse. Your argument is absurd.
Anyone can see you have no standing, you are arguing there is no expected etiquette of visitors.
You just responded "Feel free" to do what you want at a Mass. It is an absurd argument.
That is not a counter argument. When you have an argument, let me know.
FFS...the wearing of a head covering, A SCARF, in a religious setting, is practiced within many Abrahamic and Judaic sects, it is most often associated with submission and obedience to their God. I will bet dollar to doughnuts Le Penn practiced this in her Church. This was nothing more than, again, a setup for her Islamaphobe minions.Yes, basically all religions are paternalistic, but that doesn't mean all of their traditions are.
I'm all for respecting a religious tradition, excepting when that specific tradition specifically targets one group.
Hinduism does has many misogynistic practices (India is one of the most misogynistic countries in the world!) - so do most other religions, and I would expect most female leaders, Le Pen, Merkel, May, to push back from being mandated to follow such practices, whilst respecting the ones that are not misogynistic.
By doing so they show that such oppressive practices are not acceptable in todays' world, and pays tribute to all the women who have been subjugated by religion.
For those of us Familiar with the modern history Europe and Islam, and I'm sure Le Pen and her fans Are....nn stands up for womans rights in the face of islamic-fascism, and the washington post cant be more upset about it.... ALoha snack bar!
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Do they take them off when they come here? We don't wear them.The fascist goes to Lebanon to meet religious leaders, knowing their practices require head covering...and she refuses.
It was a publicity move, red meat for her Islamophobe minions.
FFS...the wearing of a head covering, A SCARF, in a religious setting, is practiced within many Abrahamic and Judaic sects, it is most often associated with submission and obedience to their God. I will bet dollar to doughnuts Le Penn practiced this in her Church. This was nothing more than, again, a setup for her Islamaphobe minions.
mischaracterizing the argument again, it was presented to show etiquette by VISITORS, meeting YOUR demand.It's not BS. I grew up in a Catholic family, raised catholic, and I am still Catholic and your understanding of Catholicism is limited. Your argument is further confounded by the fact that your own presented evidence doesn't backup your characterization of Catholics or Catholic mass.
Again, a lie, "requirement" was your injection in #68.And there isn't. Your own evidence provided evidence proves my point. I do note, however that you have softened your position from a requirement to "expected". I appreciate that you are coming around to the truth but you are still wrong.
Uh, the argument is what is expected, what your conduct should be, and now you are explaining how the misconduct NEGATIVELY affects the environment and participants.....you just made my point.Because you ARE free to do what you want. Your example of asking the priest for extra "hosts and wine to go" infringes on HIS freedom, however. I see you are still struggling with that concept so I will remain patient.
It is not an argument, negation is not argument.It is the only argument.
The topic is not religious freedom (which is SO ironic when it comes to LePen), it is respectful conduct in a religious setting.You are simply wrong in your characterizations and ill equipped to understand the concept of religious freedom.
And you further attempt to change the topic.I don't expect anyone to leave their religious freedoms at the door simply because they are visiting an oppressive theocracy.
Any time a poster spins off-topic, I always view it as a win. Thanks, take care.Those theocracies, like you, find religious freedom to be a difficult concept.
THEIR practices, not HERS. The left just can resist forcing people to do things against their will, even women, who they supposedly support. As we can see, that's only in the few days leading up to an election, otherwise, forget it.
Whut? All sorts of religious followers in the US wear various forms of head coverings in their ceremonies.Do they take them off when they come here? We don't wear them.
They did it out of respect for the setting.I guess based on photos I've seen, Hillary and other prominent woman--Laura Bush, Nancy Pelosi, Diana Sawyer, Michelle Obama et al--dutifully don the jihab in most Muslim terroritory. I am not sure they do Muslim women any favors when they do that.
Give it up to AL-washington post, siding with the mysoginisy Muslim leaders... Reading this article it's all about how it was a "stunt", and you can see the sneering this writer had for le penn.
Le Penn stands up for womans rights in the face of islamic-fascism, and the washington post cant be more upset about it.... ALoha snack bar!
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Women, foreign and local, must wear an abaya (a few get away with long coats) in public places. Muslim—often equated with Saudi—women are said to have to wear a headscarf; foreigners needn’t.It may have already been noted in the thread elsewhere, but Le Pen also made the point that when Michelle Obama accompanied President Obama to Saudi Arabia, she also did not wear a head scarf while in a country where such attire is mandated and the media, largely left wing, cheered her for standing up for women's rights and freedoms in an oppressive society.
As an exercise in the double standard of left wing media, this is a master class.
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