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Fox News - Hitler?

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Source: Drudge

Ted Turner called FOX an arm of the Bush administration and compared FOXNEWS's popularity to Hitler's popular election to run Germany before WWII.

Turner made the controversial comments in Las Vegas before a standing-room-only crowd at the National Association for Television Programming Executives's opening session.

His no-nonsense, humorous approach during the one-hour Q&A generated frequent loud applause and laughter, BROADCASTING & CABLE reports.

While FOX may be the largest news network [and has overtaken Turner's CNN], it's not the best, Turner said.

He followed up by pointing out that Adolf Hitler got the most votes when he was elected to run Germany prior to WWII. He said the network is the propaganda tool for the Bush Administration.

"There's nothing wrong with that. It's certainly legal. But it does pose problems for our democracy. Particularly when the news is dumbed down," leaving voters without critical information on politics and world events and overloaded with fluff," he said.

A FOXNEWS spokesperson responded: "Ted is understandably bitter having lost his ratings, his network and now his mind -- we wish him well."

In 1996, Turner apologized to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for comments he made comparing FOX head Rupert Murdoch to Hitler.
 

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i love fox news, its about all i can stomic watching now adays. every other news companey is full of winey liberals are democrats that are pissed kerry lost and it kills them that bush is still in office. 4 more years :monkey
 
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Comparing Fox News to something found in Nazi Germany is a little harsh, but Fox is little more than a Republican propaganda machine.
 

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I'm not sure about fox news, but I can assure you that the words and tactics being used by the Neo- CON death squads including Heir Bush are almost identical to the words and tactics use by Hitler in the early thirties. Do the research and decide for yourself. When you read some of Hitlers speeches you can close your eyes and actually hear bushes voice! :drink
 

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:rofl :eek: VAUGE uses Drudge as a source! :rofl :eek:
 

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Anybody that compares anyone current to Hitler immediately gets discounted as an idiot in my book. I would like to welcome Ted Turner to that book. :wcm
 

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Ted Turner is a flaming liberal, you know, the kind of corporate executive NOT mentioned on BS propaganda flicks like "outfoxed," when they are laughably asserting that corporate America tells all the reporters, anchors, news directors, and producers (nearly all of whom routinely admit in surveys and studies to being liberals) to spin the news for Republicans and they just quietly comply?

And it doesn't surprise me a bit that liberals used yet another opportunity to fanatically associate Hitler with Republicans. One of the primary problems though, with this childishly simplistic smear tactic is that Nazi stands for National Socialist.

Yes, the real fascists (Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Hitler, etc.) ALWAYS can be identified by one thing: They all wear liberal labels.. kind of like, Democrat.
 

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aquapub said:
Yes, the real fascists (Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Hitler, etc.) ALWAYS can be identified by one thing: They all wear liberal labels.. kind of like, Democrat.
Yeah, more of that talk really helps the dialogue.
 

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It amazes me how easily Democrats are led by the media they listen to. This anti-Fox rant started when the ratings kept climbing for Fox News. Rupert Murdoch has been called every name in the book, and enemy number one for the liberal media. Truth be known, Murdoch is just filling a gap he saw in the media. He might even be a Democrat. :doh

Fox News Corp Chairman Rupert Murdoch served as vice finance chairman for a Gore fund-raiser in 2000, and contributed $50,000 to the Gore campaign. He also signed off on a deal allowing the Democrats to use the Staples Center for the 2000 Democratic Convention in Los Angeles at no charge. That was worth $10 million.
CorpWatch, a group that monitors corporate influence in campaigns, notes the influence in the Kerry campaign of Ivan Schlager, an attorney for Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. This is a legal firm that represents News Corp. Schlager once worked for Kerry as the Democratic Chief Counsel and Staff Director to the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. He arranges meetings between industry lobbyists and the candidate.
This year, Peter Chernin, president and chief operating officer of the News Corporation, parent of the Fox Network, is listed as having raised over $50,000 for the Kerry campaign. The Center for Responsive Politics' website, OpenSecrets.org, discloses Chernin contributions not only to Kerry but to Reps. Richard Gephardt and Howard Berman.
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Murdock is clearly a supporter of the Republican party. He was so enamored with the Reagan Administration that he wanted to give the Republican Party a spotlight in the media. And there is nothing wrong with that. We are a free country and part of that means liberals can have their air time as well as conservatives. But the media outlet should be forthright about its intentions or its viewpoint. When a news outlet tries to portray itself as unbiased when it clearly upholds one view above another, that is misleading.

So, Squawker, you will find that most liberals do not HATE Fox News or its owner for being conservative and spreading the conservative viewpoint. We dislike its intentions to misguide viewers who don't know better when they tune in....those who are seeking an unbiased outlet only to be given one-sided news.
 

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So, Squawker, you will find that most liberals do not HATE Fox News or its owner for being conservative and spreading the conservative viewpoint. We dislike its intentions to misguide viewers who don't know better when they tune in....those who are seeking an unbiased outlet only to be given one-sided news.
If you think Fox is one sided news, you are delusional. You do not speak for all liberals, and there isn't one liberal that I have met in person, or on the net that doesn't hate Fox. Democrats can be more objective, and many of them do watch Fox. This is a free market system. If Fox is as bad as you say, they wouldn't be getting ratings. There were a lot of Democrats that voted for Reagan, so that doesn't mean Murdoch is a Republican.
 

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Squawker:

"If Fox is as bad as you say, they wouldn't be getting ratings. There were a lot of Democrats that voted for Reagan, so that doesn't mean Murdoch is a Republican."

Ah, this is where the elitist snobbery of the left will come out. The natural liberal response to this point from Squawker will be that most Americans are too stupid to grasp that they are being propagandized by evil Fox news. The point is flat out wrong, but I guarantee you that is the first thing every liberal will think when they see that post.

The mainstream in this country is right of center. The last few decades of election results,, campaign donation averages, any way you want to dice it up, Republicans represent the mainstream. Fox news is missing liberal bias. Fox news is watched more because it doesn't insultingly try to herd what it views as a moronic flock to a left-wing ideology the way the rest of the media does.

The left would have us believe that Fox News is a threat to western civilization for showing multiple points of view, while defending the integrity of sources like the New York Times, which has not endorsed a single Republican presidential candidate since the 1950s.
 

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aquapub said:
Yes, the real fascists (Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Hitler, etc.) ALWAYS can be identified by one thing: They all wear liberal labels.. kind of like, Democrat.
uh Stalin and Castro aren't fascists.
 

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Squawker said:
If you think Fox is one sided news, you are delusional. You do not speak for all liberals, and there isn't one liberal that I have met in person, or on the net that doesn't hate Fox. Democrats can be more objective, and many of them do watch Fox. This is a free market system. If Fox is as bad as you say, they wouldn't be getting ratings. There were a lot of Democrats that voted for Reagan, so that doesn't mean Murdoch is a Republican.
Delusional you say? Talk about denial! Prove to us Democrats with FACTS that Fox News Channel is fair & balanced! Go ahead, prove it with FACTS. No BS supposition, no personal belief, plain and simple facts.

I defy you!
 

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Champ, how could I convice you, of all people of anything? What would you call fair and balanced? Show me where the goal post is.
 
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Yes, the real fascists (Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Hitler, etc.) ALWAYS can be identified by one thing: They all wear liberal labels.. kind of like, Democrat.
Mmm...Castro is a fascist? We have to watch out, he's ready to take over....uh...Haiti! YEAH. With his enormous army! I believe Socialists and Fascists often tend to not get along....

Castro isn't perfect, i mean not to debate his leadership skills, but you need not label him as something he isn't
 

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Champ, how could I convice you, of all people of anything? What would you call fair and balanced? Show me where the goal post is.
Show me that on Britt Hume's show or Chris Wallace's show that they've had equal amounts of Democratic guests as Republicans? Show me that they have an equal amount of liberal hosts as conservative? Show me that they have an equal amount of liberal news writers as conservatives? Show me that they've run an equal amount of liberal editorials as conservative editorials?

Have you actually watched Outfoxed? One stat really stuck out to me. Over a 6 month period 83% of the guests on Britt Hume's show were Republicans.

Looking into even further brought me here:

http://www.fair.org//page=1187

Still Failing the "Fair & Balanced" Test
Special Report leans right, white, Republican & male

Extra! July/August 2004

By Steve Rendall and Julie Hollar

FAIR’s latest study of Fox ’s Special Report with Brit Hume finds the network’s flagship news show still listing right—heavily favoring conservative and Republican guests in its one-on-one interviews. And, according to the study, Special Report rarely features women or non-white guests in these prominent newsmaker inter-view spots.

In previous studies FAIR has found that looking at a show’s guest list is one of the most reliable methods for gauging its perspective. In the case of Special Report , the single one-on-one interview with anchor Brit Hume is a central part of the newscast, and the anchor often uses his high-profile guests’ comments as subject matter for the show’s wrap-up panel discussion. If Fox is the “fair & balanced” network it claims to be, then the guest list of what Fox calls its “signature news show” ought to reflect a diverse spectrum of ideas and sources. FAIR has studied Special Report ’s guest list on two earlier occasions (Extra! , 7–8/01, 7–8/02). {snip}

Conservative & Republican

Fifty-seven percent of Special Report ’s one-on-one guests during the period studied were ideological conservatives, 12 percent were centrists and 11 percent were progressives.

Twenty percent of guests were non-ideological. Among ideological guests, conservatives accounted for 72 percent, while centrists made up 15 percent and progressives 14 percent.
(The total exceeds 100 percent due to rounding.) Viewers were roughly five times more likely to see a conservative interviewed on Special Report than a progressive.

The five-to-one conservative-to-progressive imbalance is actually a marked improvement from FAIR’s 2002 study, which found that “left-of-center” guests—three percent of the total—were outnumbered 14 to one. In the 2002 study, however, conservative dominance was less marked, at 48 percent of total guests.

Special Report ’s guestlist shows a similarly heavy slant toward Republicans. Forty-two guests were current or former Democratic or Republican officials, candidates, political appointees or advisers. Guests who had past affiliations with both Republicans and Democrats were counted as nonpartisan; for example, Dennis Ross—having served under presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton—was classified as non-partisan.

Of the 42 partisan guests, 35 were Republicans and only seven were Democrats—a five-to-one imbalance. Furthermore, of the handful of Democrats that did appear, the majority were centrist or conservative, and frequently expressed views more typical of Republican guests. For example, centrist Rep. Jim Marshall (10/23/03) argued that the media weren’t covering the “good news” in Iraq, while Sen. Zell Miller (11/4/03) talked about his dissatisfaction with the Democratic party and his fondness for George Bush. Thirty-four of the 35 Republicans who appeared were conservatives; only one, Noah Feldman, was classified as a centrist.

The five-to-one partisan imbalance represents a greater slant than FAIR’s 2002 study, which found Republicans outnumbering Democrats by three to two, though it is still better than FAIR’s 2001 study, which found Special Report ’s guest list favoring Republicans by more than eight to one (50 vs. 6). After the 2001 study, the show’s anchor, Fox managing editor Brit Hume, told the New York Times (7/2/01) that, though he had yet to read the findings, “if it is a reasonable question, and we find that there is some imbalance, then we’ll correct it.”
So you see, this is why people like me believe that FNC is anything but fair and balanced. If I'm wrong please use facts to prove otherwise?
 

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Fox is closer to the "center" than CNN, CBS, NBC, or ABC.

99% of CNN's staff would rather live in Greenwich Village than a suburb in flyover country.
 
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UConn/SMU said:
Fox is closer to the "center" than CNN, CBS, NBC, or ABC.

99% of CNN's staff would rather live in Greenwich Village than a suburb in flyover country.
Prove it please. Making brash attacks without proof discredits your post.

:wcm to Debate Politics!
 

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Champ, my man. Tell me you are not serious. This is from the study you cited.
This study was commissioned for the film Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism by Robert Greenwald.
It was for a movie -- left wing, propaganda fiction. Movies are not reality.
 

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Prove it please. Making brash attacks without proof discredits your post.
Okay, I didn't interview every CNN staffer. But after watching CNN for 25 years, one can logically conclude that nearly all of them would be more "at home" politically in NY or SF than in Lincoln, Nebraska or Lubbock, Texas.

I heard from one person who took the CNN office tour back in 1992. He said that nearly every office had "Clinton/Gore" signs hanging on their door, wall, etc. There were no "Bush/Quayle" signs in the building. It's just an anecdote, but come on ...
 

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Squawker said:
If you think Fox is one sided news, you are delusional. You do not speak for all liberals, and there isn't one liberal that I have met in person, or on the net that doesn't hate Fox.
:2wave: I'm a liberal and I don't hate Fox. I disagree with their attempts to misrepresent themselves as "fair and balanced", but I'm not seeking to get them off the air.

Squawker said:
Democrats can be more objective, and many of them do watch Fox. This is a free market system. If Fox is as bad as you say, they wouldn't be getting ratings.
High ratings don't make for "fair and balanced news". Entertaining, maybe.

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There were a lot of Democrats that voted for Reagan, so that doesn't mean Murdoch is a Republican.
Murdock is neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Actually he is not a voter at all. He's Austrailian.
 
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