Fox News - Hitler?

[26 X World Champs]

Champ, my man. Tell me you are not serious. This is from the study you cited. It was for a movie -- left wing, propaganda fiction. Movies are not reality.

Dude, you ask for facts and I provide them. You don't like the facts so you discredit them. That makes you a hypocrite.

You're totally biased too, by the way....

 

[26 X World Champs]

Murdock is neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Actually he is not a voter at all. He's Austrailian.

Actually, he is an American citizen. He had to become one in order to own as much media as he owns.

He most definitely is Republican. Plus, the guy who runs FNC, Roger Ailes has this on his resume:

Employment history

* media adviser to Richard M. Nixon Presidential Campaign in 1967-68
* consultant in 1984 to Ronald Reagan
* George H. W. Bush's 1988 Presidential campaign

It's OK to be biased, just admit it like Air America does...

 

[KansasMeg]

Aw, yes. I see he did become a citizen in '85. Don't know where I got his citizenship info. I blame my Media Studies professor. So on to see if there is info reguarding his political affiliation.....

 

[KansasMeg]

It's OK to be biased, just admit it like Air America does...

Exactly! It has nothing to do with it's fairness in its reporting, just its misrepresentation as being an unbiased news source, "fair and balanced".

 

[Fantasea]

:2wave: I'm a liberal and I don't hate Fox. I disagree with their attempts to misrepresent themselves as "fair and balanced", but I'm not seeking to get them off the air.


High ratings don't make for "fair and balanced news". Entertaining, maybe.


Murdock is neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Actually he is not a voter at all. He's Austrailian.

"A mid-1990s political storm held the potential to be the most costly that had ever surrounded Murdoch. Nearly ten years after he had become an American citizen, and after many millions of dollars had been invested in the FOX network and its owned-and-operated stations, questions arose related to Murdoch's avoidance of the FCC's restrictions on foreign ownership of television stations."

The whole article is here:

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/M/htmlM/murdochrupe/murdochrupe.htm

 

[Pacridge]

Actually, he is an American citizen. He had to become one in order to own as much media as he owns.

He most definitely is Republican. Plus, the guy who runs FNC, Roger Ailes has this on his resume:

Employment history

* media adviser to Richard M. Nixon Presidential Campaign in 1967-68
* consultant in 1984 to Ronald Reagan
* George H. W. Bush's 1988 Presidential campaign

It's OK to be biased, just admit it like Air America does...

Roger Ailes? Wasn’t he the guy that came up with the Willie Horton ad back ’88? He said something to the effect of “should we or should we put a knife in Horton’s hand in the ad?” I think that’s Ailes. “Fair and Balanced” all the way.

 

[Mixed View]

I love fox news. 104.1 fm is conservitive radio here in Springfeild MO. Fox news runs it. I listen to Sean Hannity and Bill O'Riley everyday. They're awsome. It's funny when an angry lib calls in and Hannity destroys them.

 

[ludahai]

It's obvious you don't watch FOX.

O'Reilly rips Bush a new ass on spending,borders,and his love affair with Vincente Fox on a regular basis.

I am also amazed at these people who criticize Fox. They obviously never watch it because they don't seem to know the reality of that channel. Living overseas for the past three years as I have, I really miss it. I am looking forward to being able to purchase a sat. dish next year after we buy our house so I can get Fox News again. I am sick of CNN.

Of course, don't forget the source of this comparison was Ted Turner. When I lived in the Atlanta area, I remember him calling an employee who had ash on her head on Ash Wednesday a "Jesus Freak." Ted Turner is the freak here and he can't stand the fact that he is losing to Fox in the U.S. domestic market.

 

[ludahai]

:spin:

Delusional you say? Talk about denial! Prove to us Democrats with FACTS that Fox News Channel is fair & balanced! Go ahead, prove it with FACTS. No BS supposition, no personal belief, plain and simple facts.

I defy you!

The Burden is on the liberals to prove with FACTS that Fox news Channel is NOT fair and balanced.

I love how liberals try to change the rules to suit them, but I think the average user of this forum is far to smart to fall for that one.

 

[ludahai]

Champ, my man. Tell me you are not serious. This is from the study you cited. It was for a movie -- left wing, propaganda fiction. Movies are not reality.

Kind of like F 9-11, isn't it?

 

[V.I. Lenin]

Uck enough of this! Fox news IS biased and so is CNN. Until the cable networks stop lapping up to corporations and actually report solid news without the spin no one will be happy. People are easily persuaded, and BOTH of these stations have taken sides. The mainstream news media is no longer about facts, it's about how they can use a current event to further their own cause. Both vie for ratings, not giving us the news. If a conservative looks like an idiot, CNN will jump, if a liberal does, Fox News will be all over it. Too long has the news been corrupted by the competition for ratings. Their's a place for commentary and a place for news, and when you have such a large audience dependant on you for FACTS, you cannot include in a story your own personal feelings on it. The people need to form their OWN.

 

[ludahai]

Uck enough of this! Fox news IS biased and so is CNN. Until the cable networks stop lapping up to coroporations and actually report solid news without the spin no one will be happy. People are easily persuaded, and BOTH of these stations have taken sides. The mainstream news media is no longer about facts, it's about how they can use a current even to further their own cause. Theirs a place for commentary and a place for news, when you have such a large audience dependant on you for FACTS, you cannot follow a story with your own personal feelings on it. The people need to form their OWN.

I haven't been able to watch Fox News for nearly three years, so perhaps it has changed. However, when they reported solid news - either on the hour or on their hard news shows - they were pretty objective. There are programs on Fox that are discussion shows, and there the host can be either conservative, liberal and somewhere in between. Hannity and Colmes is an example of a show in which both are represented.

As for the numbers that the Yankees fan displayed earlier, I am not sure that I trust that source. I am still looking into that. However, I am of a general disposition not to trust ANYTHING that comes from a fan of the Evil Empire. :shoot

 

[26 X World Champs]

:spin:
The Burden is on the liberals to prove with FACTS that Fox news Channel is NOT fair and balanced.

I love how liberals try to change the rules to suit them, but I think the average user of this forum is far to smart to fall for that one.

Go to your video store or Netflix and rent OUTFOXED and you will see Liberal proof that FNC sucks.

You can also go to their website:

http://www.outfoxed.org/

So, now it's your turn. Prove me wrong! I know you can't but it will be fun to see you try or squirm out of the challenge. Which will it be?

The scary thing is that you seem to really believe that FNC is 'fair and balanced.' That is delusional. That's like my saying the NY Times is conservative, or that George W. Bush is smart! None of those things are true!

:2party:

 

[ludahai]

Go to your video store or Netflix and rent OUTFOXED and you will see Liberal proof that FNC sucks.

You can also go to their website:

http://www.outfoxed.org/

So, now it's your turn. Prove me wrong! I know you can't but it will be fun to see you try or squirm out of the challenge. Which will it be?

The scary thing is that you seem to really believe that FNC is 'fair and balanced.' That is delusional. That's like my saying the NY Times is conservative, or that George W. Bush is smart! None of those things are true!

:2party:

Seeing as I don't currently live in the United States I am somewhat at a disadvantage at the moment.

As for that movie you are referring to, if it is as "fair and balanced" as Farenheit 9-11, I don't think it can be taken as credible. Even so, I have not seen it in any video stores here and U.S. copies wouldn't work in my DVD as I live in region 3, region 1 DVDs won't work here.

 

[Squawker]

You are too funny Champ. Intelligent people are not going to view a movie by moveon as a legitimate source. It is unfortunate, but people also believe F-9/11. Must be the great "liberal" education we provide to the masses. :roll:

 

[ludahai]

You are too funny Champ. Intelligent people are not going to view a movie by moveon as a legitimate source. It is unfortunate, but people also believe F-9/11. Must be the great "liberal" education we provide to the masses. :roll:

I didn't know the movie was from moveon.org. Definately can't accept anything that comes from those wackos. They are even worse than Michael Moore.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Seeing as I don't currently live in the United States I am somewhat at a disadvantage at the moment.

As for that movie you are referring to, if it is as "fair and balanced" as Farenheit 9-11, I don't think it can be taken as credible. Even so, I have not seen it in any video stores here and U.S. copies wouldn't work in my DVD as I live in region 3, region 1 DVDs won't work here.

I hope you will agree that until you watch OUTFOXED it would be unfair to decide on it's creditability?

If you follow this link you'll be able to watch the trailer from the film plus read reviews etc....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418038/

 

[ludahai]

I hope you will agree that until you watch OUTFOXED it would be unfair to decide on it's creditability?

If you follow this link you'll be able to watch the trailer from the film plus read reviews etc....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418038/

If it were from a reasonably unbiased source, perhaps. But if it came from moveon.org, forget it! That group and Michael Moore wouldn't know what unbiased was if it hit them square in the forhead.

 

[26 X World Champs]

If it were from a reasonably unbiased source, perhaps. But if it came from moveon.org, forget it! That group and Michael Moore wouldn't know what unbiased was if it hit them square in the forhead.

You've just exposed your bias. Any credible person would have enough intelligence to judge for himself.

What you're doing is the equivalent of my commenting on FNC without ever watching it.

If you're so prejudiced about this, then you must be prejudiced about lots of other things too.

Weren't you taught to judge for yourself?

 

[Fantasea]

You've just exposed your bias. Any credible person would have enough intelligence to judge for himself.

What you're doing is the equivalent of my commenting on FNC without ever watching it.

If you're so prejudiced about this, then you must be prejudiced about lots of other things too.

Weren't you taught to judge for yourself?

Am I mistaken, or have you changed your tune about folks "judging"?

You must have accused me of being judgmental dozens of times.

It is gratifying to know that leopards really are able to change their spots if they so choose.

 

[ludahai]

You've just exposed your bias. Any credible person would have enough intelligence to judge for himself.

What you're doing is the equivalent of my commenting on FNC without ever watching it.

If you're so prejudiced about this, then you must be prejudiced about lots of other things too.

Weren't you taught to judge for yourself?

One, I don't have a lot of time to go chasing a DVD that probably isn't even available in the country that I live in.

Two, I DO know the site moveon.org, I have checked it several times. It has no credibility. THis ISN'T the same as saying I have never seen FNC and criticizing it. I know the group, and I know that they have little to no credibility. That is like saying I should watch F 9-11 (which I have) even though I know Bowling for Columbine was nothing more than a piece of Docuganda, a genre Michael Moore seems to be striving to be the father of.

 

[26 X World Champs]

One, I don't have a lot of time to go chasing a DVD that probably isn't even available in the country that I live in.

Two, I DO know the site moveon.org, I have checked it several times. It has no credibility. THis ISN'T the same as saying I have never seen FNC and criticizing it. I know the group, and I know that they have little to no credibility. That is like saying I should watch F 9-11 (which I have) even though I know Bowling for Columbine was nothing more than a piece of Docuganda, a genre Michael Moore seems to be striving to be the father of.

It's too bad that you're being so closed minded. I cannot have any sort of creditable debate with someone who is so dogmatic that they refuse to consider any point of view other than their own.

As far as Bowling for Columbine goes, are you suggesting that this Oscar winning film is bogus? Do you actually believe that the availability of guns had nothing to do with the slaughter? You know what? What you have to say on the subject really doesn't matter because you probably haven't watched it either.

I've always wondered what it would be like to have someone tell me what my opinion is rather than deciding for myself? It must make life easier since there's no decision making and no internal debate on right or wrong.

:joke:

 

[argexpat]

Ted Turner is a flaming liberal

Right, Turner is a "flaming liberal." He's also one of the most successful capitalists in history. So I'm supposed to believe he's for overthrowing the capitalist system and instituting a dictatorship of the proletareat? What do you even mean by liberal? Except anyone who hates Bush.

And it doesn't surprise me a bit that liberals used yet another opportunity to fanatically associate Hitler with Republicans. One of the primary problems though, with this childishly simplistic smear tactic is that Nazi stands for National Socialist.

It's equally childishly simplistic to refer to some nebulous, undefined group of "liberals." Again, do you even know what you mean when you use that word? Have you looked it up?

Yes, the real fascists (Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Hitler, etc.) ALWAYS can be identified by one thing: They all wear liberal labels.. kind of like, Democrat.

So it's the Democrats who are actually the fascists, huh? If so then they're the worst fascists in history, seeing as they recently lost another election to an incompetent jackass.

 

[Squawker]

This is the only definition that applies to modern liberals.
Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; :doh

 

[V.I. Lenin]

This is the only definition that applies to modern liberals.
Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; :doh

And conservatives are backward and renounce all things that go against their strict set of beliefs, no matter how logical.....

See how much progress was made there by me making fun of your beliefs? Not much. Now how much progress do you think you made making fun of my beliefs?