GySgt said:Writing and saying anything you want is protected under the 1st Ammendment, yet, a person can be taken to court for slander and liable.
There is no harm in extending that same courtesy towards the National Ensign.
GySgt said:People are so dramatically petrified that even the slightest idea of protecting their flag will drive the nation to a dictatorship, that they make themselves impotent to stand for anything decent. Even morality continues to be cast aside.I do not pull my trigger so that someone can "legally" burn my flag to the applause of dancing liberals.
JustineCredible said:Courtesy, yes, but a law? No. Sorry, obviously the concept of expression is a bit beyond you here.
Oh now Gunny, you're going of on a tangent here that really is completely back wards.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
In this case: Which came first, flag burning or the nut jobs who wish to restrict yet one more right?
If anything is to be PROTECTED here it's Freedom of Expression. It's that simple.
Yes, as a marine you most certainly did sign up to defend this nation AND it's Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. This means anyone who would DARE suggest restricting one of the most fundamental of rights in this country; the Freedom of Expression.
If you can't figure that out, I suggest you take a personal inventory of what it really means to be an American. What our Founding Fathers envisioned and what our Constitution was meant to stand for.
I can tell you this, it was NEVER meant to allow for Anyone, not the President, the House of Representatives or the Senate to DENY any of the fundamental rights of this nation and it's citizenry.
I know what vow you took, I took the same one!
From Cornell Law School:Arthur Fonzarelli said:Please oh please tell me where the 1st Amendment gives us freedom of expression. I see speech, the press, peaceable to assemble, petition for a redress of grievances, & most importantly religion.
You really need to back up this stuff with facts, otherwise it's simply liberal bashing. Prove to us that we're declining morally, and more importantly prove that it's because of Liberals & "Foreigners."GySgt said:American decency, morality, and higher standards have been decaying a little bit over the decades already. It has been surrendered to the liberal and to the offended foreigner.
How many flags were burnt in protest in the USA last year?GySgt said:This argument is senseless.
In a short while, Burning the flag will continue to be legal or it will not. If it stays legal, nothing changes. If it becomes illegal, perhaps we will see the masses that "don't agree with burning the flag", form up and rally for it's legalization again.
26 X World Champs said:How many flags were burnt in protest in the USA last year?
My point is that so many people get totally whacked out over this subject, when in reality the actual incidences in the USA are minuscule.Pacridge said:What difference does it make if it were 5, 50 or 500? Still stupid IMO. And still protected by the U.S. Cons. You can't merely limit that which you don't like.
26 X World Champs said:My point is that so many people get totally whacked out over this subject, when in reality the actual incidences in the USA are minuscule.
I believe that some of the people getting totally bent out of shape are mixing up what they see overseas in protests against America and what the reality is in the USA, and that is my point.
I agree 100%! It's grotesque really that our representatives have their priorities so screwed up, but then again we are talking about Republicans, right?Pacridge said:Maybe so, I have no idea how many were burned in protest. I have a feeling there's a lot more being brunt in the Middle East than in the Mid-West. But I still don't see it an an important issue. I'd rather Congress spent their time on issues that will actual make a difference.
shuamort said:From Cornell Law School:
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights.
Yeah. Damn Thomas Jefferson the founder father who first introduced the term "seperation of church and state" soon after the creation of the Constitution's first amendment in a letter clarifying what it meant. Seriously, it's fun to spew what you're spewing, but when you don't have facts or understanding to back it up, it only makes you look bad.Arthur Fonzarelli said:Oh isn't that nice. A 1st Amendment overview from a precious little university. This phrase; freedom of expression; has perverted much in the same manner as 'separation of church & state.' No constitutional or historical significance except that a certain sect of our population says it over & over & so many have begun to believe it.
teacher said:A burning flag hurts us how? Be creative. Find out where the flag burner is from or something they believe in then burn it. Sit back and watch them spaz. Point and laugh. In the end who wins that one?
Please show me even one instance where a Liberal Democrat burnt a flag in the last year, or longer for that matter? Just one? For you to write such perversion is shameful. On the one hand you take great offense at having your personal integrity questioned. On the other hand you personally attack the integrity of millions of Americans.GySgt said:JustinCredible,
I see a flag burner as an enemy. I was a patriot long before the Corps. I own that and I own my definition of what a true American is....
Liberal Democrats are just as bad for the country as Christian Coalition Republicans. They both "KNOW" what our founding father's envisioned and they both twist the words into what suits them.
I disagree, your posts are chock full of hate, as is this one. You HATE Democrats. You HATE anyone who disagrees with you, You HATE people who defend the Constitution.GySgt said:Like I said, I was returning the favor.
"Hate" would be the wrong word to use here. I simply have no tolerance for people that choose to be impotent to national pride because it is easier to give support to the flag burner.
It's oh so sad that you're unable to judge people beyond one narrow aspect of their being. Reading your posts, however, I do believe you when you write that you judge people only by their politics.GySgt said:A person's political persuasion very much defines the man.
Maybe you're unable to intellecualize beyond what you think is right? I don't know how to react to someone who cannot understand defending one's right to dissent, especially since that is exactly one of the founding principles of this country. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you mean, but I understand it to be that you have zero tolerance for anyone who defends someone or something that you disagree with. I think you're saying that if someone defends something you hate then you hate them?GySgt said:And No....What is sad is a group of Americans that refuse to stand for what is right for fear of losing a right. Oh sure, you say you don't agree with flag burning, yet you decide to rally for someone's right to do it. It's cowardice and hypocritical.
This last paragraph is pure bullshit, sorry. In case you haven't paid attention working class people are more democratic than republican. How can that be if Democrats "despise" the working class?GySgt said:liberal hypocracy bleeds into everything and makes grand efforts to undermine anything that stands for something greater than their political party. In my 32 insignificant years of life, this has been my observations of the political problems in America. Very few actually stand for America. The political party and it's sheep have taken center stage. There’s no one the new American Left so despises as the working man or woman who continues to believe in the United States. To them, we are the one's decaying America for standing for decency.
When I first read this, I thought you were talking about me again Champ. You need to stop attacking Republicans just because they disagree with you Champ. They have an equal right to their opinion, just as you do yours.I disagree, your posts are chock full of hate, as is this one. You HATE Democrats. You HATE anyone who disagrees with you, You HATE people who defend the Constitution.
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