FDA wants to simplify the use and updating of Covid-19 vaccines

[Chomsky]

I see it as a way of stringing people along, like “go ahead and get your five shots now but maybe, some time in the future, you won’t have to. No promises though.”

I don't know where you're getting your information from.

Covid vax has a finite time of efficacy, and just like many other vax's such as the flu vax, it's going to be annual for those that desire it.

Did you read my article?

 

[Threegoofs]

What would help more than anything is to have a vaccine that the people who get it would feel confident in its protection regardless of the vaccination status of others.

Its at least, if not more effective as the MMR vaccine. I feel pretty confident that I wont get measles, mumps or rubella, mostly because most people have the MMR vaccine.

Thats what it could be like if the covidiots were not such stupid bastards.

 

[Threegoofs]

Forget lifetime, how about 4 months and how about it actually protect against infection? All too much to ask?

It does protect against infection. Quite well, actually. And I think 4 months duration is quite likely.

You really think it doesnt protect against infection? WTF?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Sorry to disappoint but most people recover from Covid even without the vaccine. I finally got it mid December. It was most definitely not the worse thing I’ve ever had.

Your anecdote is not representative of scientific fact, and the "most people" argument is invalid unless you just don't give a shit about over a million deaths in the first place.
The biological father of my two kids caught COVID and had few if any noticeable symptoms, so what?
And if you're not vaccinated, the next time you catch it you might not be so lucky.

"Oh X Factor didn't die, so I guess we don't need to get the shots!"

Yeah right.

 

[Chomsky]

Forget lifetime, how about 4 months and how about it actually protect against infection? All too much to ask?

Vax's typically are 50% to 70% effective. That's what our current flu vaxes do. And that's not efficacy in preventing infection, but in ameliorating illness.

Where are you getting your information from, that you have such unreasonable expectations?

 

[X Factor]

I don't know where you're getting your information from.

Covid vax has a finite time of efficacy, and just like many other vax's such as the flu vax, it's going to be annual for those that desire it.

Did you read my article?

I did and I did not get that it was a certain but that it “may” happen. What are some of this “many other” vaccines other than the one flu, that requires an annual shot?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

“Most people may need only one dose” to restore protection. They’ve been saying this awhile now.

Show us what you're referring to.

 

[X Factor]

Your anecdote is not representative of scientific fact, and the "most people" argument is invalid unless you just don't give a shit about over a million deaths in the first place.
The biological father of my two kids caught COVID and had few if any noticeable symptoms, so what?
And if you're not vaccinated, the next time you catch it you might not be so lucky.

"Oh X Factor didn't die, so I guess we don't need to get the shots!"

Yeah right.

My experience is not the exception, tho. Even the CDC website says that most people recover from it. Is that not a good thing?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What are some of this “many other” vaccines other than the one flu, that requires an annual shot?

Flu vaccines get updated almost every six months, and if you didn't realize that, it means you're in no position to speak with authority on any area of immunology or epidemiology.
They've been updating flu vaccines since you were waddling around in diapers, even before then quite possibly.

 

[Chomsky]

It does protect against infection. Quite well, actually. And I think 4 months duration is quite likely.

You really think it doesnt protect against infection? WTF?

I believe your 4 month quote might be for prime efficacy, but it's my understanding that some efficacy will remain for 6 mos and longer.

The important thing previously, earlier in the pandemic, that those who were never infected with Covid were not facing a novel infection when first exposed. Even with declining serum level antibody decrease well post vaccination, the host's T-Cells were still primed from having seen the spiked protean.

I believe the most important thing is to not have a fully novel infection experience.

But even at an efficacy of only 4 mos, that would get one past the prime annual infection season.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

My experience is not the exception, tho. Even the CDC website says that most people recover from it. Is that not a good thing?

I said that YOUR ANECDOTE is not the equal of scientific fact.
Look, I am not about to teach you how the scientific method works, you will have to go back to school to learn that.
I used to get union scale of between $650 to 1500 a day to show up for work.

 

[mrjurrs]

At this point, unless a more dangerous variant arises, I can't say I'm seeing huge differences between Covid and other serious flus & coronaviruses - terms of societal mitigation.

I disagree, we will likely have more covid deaths this year than our worst flu seasons.

 

[Chomsky]

Sorry to disappoint but most people recover from Covid even without the vaccine. I finally got it mid December. It was most definitely not the worse thing I’ve ever had.

The bolded might be because you likely contracted Omicron. You may not have fared as well with the earlier more deadly variants such as Delta.

 

[X Factor]

Vax's typically are 50% to 70% effective. That's what our current flu vaxes do. And that's not efficacy in preventing infection, but in ameliorating illness.

Where are you getting your information from, that you have such unreasonable expectations?

Probably from the over promising of what these vaccines can do when they first came out and the constant lowering of the bar of what it means for them to be considered effective.

 

[Chomsky]

I disagree, we will likely have more covid deaths this year than our worst flu seasons.

Did you miss my predicator, in my statement you quoted?

"In terms of societal mitigation" <--

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But to address your point specifically and in quantitative terms, we in the U.S are currently experiencing 565 Covid deaths per week (29,380 annually).

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review

The week’s key data, narrative interpretations, & visualizations.

www.cdc.gov

The U.S. averages 30-50K Flu deaths per year.

Flu deaths by year U.S.| Statista

The number of flu deaths in the United States fluctuates by year. Over the past decade, annual deaths ranged from around 6,000 to 52,000.

www.statista.com

Where is the substantive difference?

 

[X Factor]

It does protect against infection. Quite well, actually. And I think 4 months duration is quite likely.

You really think it doesnt protect against infection? WTF?

Good grief, it clearly doesn’t. Shoot, I’m being told my expectations are too high thinking it should protect against infection.

 

[mrjurrs]

Did you miss my predicator, in my statement you quoted?

"In terms of societal mitigation" <--

--

But to address your point specifically and in quantitative terms, we in the U.S are currently experiencing 565 Covid deaths per week (29,380 annually).

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review

The week’s key data, narrative interpretations, & visualizations.

www.cdc.gov

The U.S. averages 30-50K Flu deaths per year.

Flu deaths by year U.S.| Statista

The number of flu deaths in the United States fluctuates by year. Over the past decade, annual deaths ranged from around 6,000 to 52,000.

www.statista.com

Where is the substantive difference?

Two weeks in. Hoping for the best.

 

[Chomsky]

I did and I did not get that it was a certain but that it “may” happen. What are some of this “many other” vaccines other than the one flu, that requires an annual shot?

The "Flu shot" is what I'm referring to. The Flu is the closest analog we have to Coronavirus, and in fact coronavirus infections are often referred to as "the flu".

You seem to have unreasonable expectations. Especially given the state of current Flu shots. You can't simply lump all viral diseases together, and expect to treat & mitigate them as such.

The great news here today, is we are mitigating Covid in similar methodology to the "common Flu". That's a good thing, as we're normalizing. We're moving on.

 

[Chomsky]

Probably from the over promising of what these vaccines can do when they first came out and the constant lowering of the bar of what it means for them to be considered effective.

I suggest you get more up-to-date on your information.

 

[Chomsky]

Two weeks in. Hoping for the best.

Remember, we're in the high season. Numbers (deaths) may drop as we progress through Spring. We'll see.

 

[MaryP]

Two weeks in. Hoping for the best.

Be well!

 

[Threegoofs]

I believe your 4 month quote might be for prime efficacy, but it's my understanding that some efficacy will remain for 6 mos and longer.

The important thing previously, earlier in the pandemic, that those who were never infected with Covid were not facing a novel infection when first exposed. Even with declining serum level antibody decrease well post vaccination, the host's T-Cells were still primed from having seen the spiked protean.

I believe the most important thing is to not have a fully novel infection experience.

But even at an efficacy of only 4 mos, that would get one past the prime annual infection season.

The efficacy wanes, especially when the dominant variant changes to Omicron, but the efficacy for preventing severe infection (hospitalization/death) persists for much longer….possibly years.

 

[mrjurrs]

Remember, we're in the high season. Numbers (deaths) may drop as we progress through Spring. We'll see.

 

[JasperL]

What would help more than anything is to have a vaccine that the people who get it would feel confident in its protection regardless of the vaccination status of others.

That's not actually saying anything useful.

Probably from the over promising of what these vaccines can do when they first came out and the constant lowering of the bar of what it means for them to be considered effective.

When the original vaccine 'first came out' it was VERY effective against infection, for the original strain. But as you well know, COVID viruses mutate quickly and so effectiveness against infection waned.

I'm not sure what you expect. Science to work miracles, and somehow develop vaccines effective against all currently known strains of COVID, AND all future, and ??????? strains?

 

[Threegoofs]

Good grief, it clearly doesn’t. Shoot, I’m being told my expectations are too high thinking it should protect against infection.

Odd, because all the published data I’ve seen shows the vaccine is very efficacious for preventing infection and subsequent transmission.

You seem incredibly misinformed.