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Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

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apdst said:
Oh, so following and talking someone is now an offensive act that one should protect themselves from, with violence? Private detetives beware...LOL!!!
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he followed him in his car. he followed him on foot. these are provocative acts. all in the dead of night.

Martin had every reason to feel threatened by this.
 
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MaggieD said:
What?? How can you possibly say that??

I'm walking on a dark street. A car is slowly following me. And I'm walking. [/b]Then a guy gets out of his car and comes towards me.[/b] And I'm walking. [/b]Then the guy approaches me[/b] and I'm scared. I ask why he's following me. [/b]He asks what I'm doing there.[/b] A scuffle ensues. I'm dead.

Anyone who cannot see the ambiguous nature of this encounter just isn't trying hard enough. Martin did not make the first move. Unless you're counting "walking home in the dark with Skittles and iced tea."
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So far, I see no grounds for assault.
 
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Thunder said:
he followed him in his car. he followed him on foot. these are provocative acts. all in the dead of night.

Martin had every reason to feel threatened by this.
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OMG! Really? :lamo
 
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apdst said:
So far, I see no grounds for assault.
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if you follow me in your car, and then on foot, and then approach me in the middle of the night, I'm gonna defend myself.
 
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apdst said:
It's starting to look more and more like Martin made the first move.
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Perhaps. And that was certainly stupid. If so, a young and stupid kid was being stalked and harassed by a wannabe that had been TOLD by the police to stop stalking him and harassing him...and the kid is dead. This isnt all that crazy and convoluted. Basic math. Who was the responsible agent? The 'adult' playing neighborhood watch superhero.
 
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apdst said:
First you said he was cornered, then you say that he was running. Which is it?
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when did I say running? I said being followed which he was...
 
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apdst said:
Where was the threat? Following someone isn't exactly a threatening act.

Could it be that Martin was going to, "show that white boy a thing, or two"? "ain't no cracka' motha-****a gonna shadow my ass, ****".
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have you ever been followed, stalked?
 
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Thunder said:
if you follow me in your car, and then on foot, and then approach me in the middle of the night, I'm gonna defend myself.
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Yeah...and you might find your ass dead, or in jail, too.
 
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Higgins86 said:
have you ever been followed, stalked?
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Yes, I have and I knew then that I had zero right to assault that person. It would have been illegal. Duh!!!
 
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apdst said:
Yes, I have and I knew then that I had zero right to assault that person. It would have been illegal. Duh!!!
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of course you have, your Mr Been there done that when it suits you...silly of me to even ask.
 
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apdst said:
Yes, I have and I knew then that I had zero right to assault that person. It would have been illegal. Duh!!!
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if someone stalks you, you have the right to defend yourself.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Based on the circumstances described, I'd say Zimmerman has no case for shooting Martin. Florida law is clear that an individual may resort to deadly force to counter deadly force. Getting punched in the nose by an unarmed teenager is not deadly force.
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Try to look at it with NO emotion for a sec....

I believe, the majority of jurisdictions follow this guideline...where deadly force can only be used when reasonable to protect person from deadly force or threat of serious bodily harm (life, limb, or bodily function.) in the majority of courts you don't have to retreat ****. A minority of courts require you to retreat if the ability to do so is present.

But whats reasonable? That is up to the jury (or a judge in some circumstances.) The jury looks at whether a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant, would have reasonably believed death or serious bodily injuy was eminant to defendant or others he was defending

Getting punched in the nose probably to you is not a big deal, but perhaps Zimmerman thought Martin had the ability, opportunity and intent to do so....
 
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VanceMack said:
Perhaps. And that was certainly stupid. If so, a young and stupid kid was being stalked and harassed by a wannabe that had been TOLD by the police to stop stalking him and harassing him...and the kid is dead. This isnt all that crazy and convoluted. Basic math. Who was the responsible agent? The 'adult' playing neighborhood watch superhero.
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A citizen doesn't have the right to assault a stalker. You know that better than I do.
 
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Thunder said:
if someone stalks you, you have the right to defend yourself.
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Only if that person assaults you first. Simply being stalked--love how he was being stalked vice followed BTW--isn't a physical threat.
 
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Higgins86 said:
of course you have, your Mr Been there done that when it suits you...silly of me to even ask.
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It was silly of you ask. You got that much right, anyway.
 
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Thunder said:
in jail? nope. I was defending myself against a stalker.

dead? doubt it. ;)
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Yeah. Let your exwife break into your apartment, then whip her ass when you catch her there and see what happens. It's the real world, son.
 
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apdst said:
Yeah...and you might find your ass dead, or in jail, too.
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Now you sound like you'd like a contest. Really? Are you in a SYGL state?
 
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Thunder said:
if someone stalks you, you have the right to defend yourself.
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exactly and its not like he just stalked him but he also confronted the kid, honestly blows my mind that people are defending this asshole
 
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Thunder said:
if you follow me in your car, and then on foot, and then approach me in the middle of the night, I'm gonna defend myself.
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How, what are you going to do? We have lots of old folks in neighborhood crime watch around here, moreso as burgaries and assaults go up likely due to collapsing economy and this largely a middle to upper middle class area in some parts.

OK, you;re walking down the street - wasn't this like 2 am or something, I can't remember. You see a car slowly following along behind you. You see that, turn, walk towards the person in the car following you, see that person is talking on a cell phone. You then turn again and quickly run around behind one of his neighbor's houses.

He gets out and follows you. You stop, turn still again and say "why are you following me?!" He says, "What are you doing around here?!"

Now, what are you going to do? Run at him, slugging him in the face, knocking him down and maybe start kicking him as he screams "somebody help me!"

Is that what you mean by "defend yourself?"

Somehow, beating the hell out of that guy doesn't seem very legal for asking what you're doing poking around his neighbor's house at 2 am. And, somehow, I suspect if that old guy has a gun in his pocket he's going to shoot you in the chest to stop you kicking or punching him anymore.

What am I missing in your explanation of what you'd do? And how that is likely to end?
 
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Higgins86 said:
exactly and its not like he just stalked him but he also confronted the kid, honestly blows my mind that people are defending this asshole
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oh, trust me. They have their reasons.
 
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Higgins86 said:
exactly and its not like he just stalked him but he also confronted the kid, honestly blows my mind that people are defending this asshole
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LOL...asking someone questions doesn't justify assault. What if the guy had been asking directions and Martin took a swing at him?

Can you possibly see how you're argument doesn't hold water?
 
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Thunder said:
oh, trust me. They have their reasons.
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And those reasons would be, what?
 
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joko104 said:
He follows you, talking on the telephone. You stop and say "why are you following me?" He says, "what are you doing around here?"....
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if you follow me, in the middle of the night, first in your car and then on foot, I'm gonna stand my ground.

and that means that if you approach me in any way, fist will be hitting cartilage.

...hypothetically, of course.
 
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