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Fact-checking President Trump’s 2019 State of the Union address

Fact, the President can only shut down the govt. when a Continuing resolution is vetoed and no bill got to his desk thus no Presidential shutdown. FACT!

You better inform Trump of your knowledge because he accepted proud responsibility for the shutdown LIVE on nationwide TV right there in the White House.
 
You better inform Trump of your knowledge because he accepted proud responsibility for the shutdown LIVE on nationwide TV right there in the White House.

Interesting how you buy everything someone else says but to quote a famous liberal that you support, "What does it matter now?" Basic civics says both you and he are wrong but does it really matter now? Total liberal ignorance the shutdown is supposed to have cost 11 billion dollars over a 5.8 billion dollar wall? Trump hatred is a sickness that most liberals/progressives have

Ever going to admit that you are a democratic operative who has responsibility for spreading false information and Democratic talking points in political forums? How many aliases to you have?
 
So, it's a moral failing with you....We get it.

so, can you tell us why South Carolina is dead last in almost everything, especially education and income? Since, after all, you are claiming that Conservatives are the elite on economics....
 
Ever going to admit that you are a democratic operative who has responsibility for spreading false information and Democratic talking points in political forums? How many aliases to you have?

It brings a smile to my face that you are obsessed thinking I am paid to post here. I would never disabuse you of that belief.
 
This is a pretty meaningless statistic. The U.S. population is growing, so of course more people would be employed.

Now, that's some dumb ass ****, right there.

It doesn't matter how big the population is, if there aren't any jobs.
 
It brings a smile to my face that you are obsessed thinking I am paid to post here. I would never disabuse you of that belief.

Don't think it is an obsession but rather a fact. you are here in every anti Trump thread, posting the same leftwing talking points over and over again and never admitting when wrong or your true affiliation.
 
so, can you tell us why South Carolina is dead last in almost everything, especially education and income? Since, after all, you are claiming that Conservatives are the elite on economics....

Looks to me like legal marijuana in Colorado has an affect on some people's minds. Interesting how states that are dead last in everything continue to grow in population and especially in retirees. Everyone wants to move to a state with poor education, poor wages, pollution, and no healthcare right?

Slightly liberal people sure post a lot of liberal talking points.
 
That's it? That's all you've got?


Trump said 5.3 million jobs created instead of 4.9?


Might be good for TDS'ers to go out and talk a walk and give their seething rage a rest.

If Trump said 5.3 million and it was really 5.299 million, it would be labeled a huge lie by the liberals who ignore lies told by their hero Oh-bama.
 
You better inform Trump of your knowledge because he accepted proud responsibility for the shutdown LIVE on nationwide TV right there in the White House.

What is interesting is that you call Trump a serial liar and then buy what he says about a basic civics issue, why the double standards? Trump had no authority to shutdown the govt. as no bill hit his desk, would have thought someone of your superior intelligence would understand that
 
If Trump said 5.3 million and it was really 5.299 million, it would be labeled a huge lie by the liberals who ignore lies told by their hero Oh-bama.

The true job numbers will be adjusted properly with the February accounting all due to the govt. shutdown, my believe is that it is well over 5 million in two years and that along with the 2 trillion that will be reported by Treasury the end of the month for the first two years of the Trump administration will be the best record in history
 
And we are supposed to believe the Washington Post’s version of the facts Excuse me while I laugh :lamo
 
And we are supposed to believe the Washington Post’s version of the facts Excuse me while I laugh :lamo

You're in the wrong forum section. This is "Mainstream News" and WaPo is one of the gold standards. WaPo is highly award winning, highly trusted, and highly accurate on average.

A few Trump meme does not change that.
 
Interesting how you buy everything someone else says but to quote a famous liberal that you support, "What does it matter now?" Basic civics says both you and he are wrong but does it really matter now? Total liberal ignorance the shutdown is supposed to have cost 11 billion dollars over a 5.8 billion dollar wall? Trump hatred is a sickness that most liberals/progressives have

Ever going to admit that you are a democratic operative who has responsibility for spreading false information and Democratic talking points in political forums? How many aliases to you have?

Most Americans disagree with your opinion,

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/13/18180862/shutdown-polls-blame-trump-gop-partisan-divide

Trump was widely blamed for the shutdown. Because, he kind of shut it down. This isn't rocket science. Or climate science, lol.
 
Nice spin and doing a word smith on his numbers, so 5.3 million vs. 4.9 million is a big lie to you even though the 4.9 million is a record of any President in his first two years of office? My opinion is that the January numbers are skewed and will adjust in February due to the shutdown and you will see closer to 5.3 than 4.9 million. doubt Trump can do anything to gain respect or support from you or any other progressive/socialist/liberal

What you want to ignore is context as usual, population growth obviously didn't occur during 2009-2010-2011-2012 since employment remained below the pre recession levels and in fact was well below what Obama inherited in January 2009 in 2009-2010-2011. You people simply cannot celebrate success and give Trump any credit at all

Why does Trump get all the credit for those, though? Trump inherited a growing economy. Obama inherited a tanking economy. Why isn't Trump thanking Obama for handing him an easy win?

I mean, Trump is more or less a closing pitcher that was brought into the game when his team was up 50-0 and the opposing team decided to sub out their regular players for 5 year olds. All he had to do was not blow it. We don't give all the praise to that closing pitcher-we say "thank God he didn't screw it up."
 
Most Americans disagree with your opinion,

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/13/18180862/shutdown-polls-blame-trump-gop-partisan-divide

Trump was widely blamed for the shutdown. Because, he kind of shut it down. This isn't rocket science. Or climate science, lol.

then most people and you are clueless about basic civics and how our gov't operates. A Presidential veto is the only way the President can shutdown the gov't. What you are showing is how poorly educated far too many are and how easily they are indoctrinated. Prove me wrong?
 
Why does Trump get all the credit for those, though? Trump inherited a growing economy. Obama inherited a tanking economy. Why isn't Trump thanking Obama for handing him an easy win?

I mean, Trump is more or less a closing pitcher that was brought into the game when his team was up 50-0 and the opposing team decided to sub out their regular players for 5 year olds. All he had to do was not blow it. We don't give all the praise to that closing pitcher-we say "thank God he didn't screw it up."

He inherited a 1.6% GDP growth then 1.2% so is that your idea of a growing economy and liberal expectations. Stunning how you buy what you are told and ignore data

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy
 
I liked how he referred to it as an "economic miracle". Apparently the man didn't believe what real Republicans did, which is that the foundations of the economy are strong, and we would come out of a recession. We did. Only an idiot thinks a multi-year (8? 10?) turnaround is a "miracle".

I liked how the Sheriff of El Paso embarrassed him after what Trump lied about concerning El Paso.

I think generally speaking it was an okay speech. It was pretty much what I expected.

The big glaring thing to me was the lack of comments on healthcare, which has historically been Americans' biggest concern. And the GOP engaged in monthly votes to repeal the ACA. Only one brief mention that I remember. Is that not a problem anymore (rhetorical question)? This is part of why the GOP lost so badly in the midterms and special elections. "Duh skeery caravans" mean a lot to Trump's base, but most of the country doesn't care. They want affordable healthcare, safe schools for their kids, and not living paycheck to paycheck or worst case scenario, not to have to work lots of jobs to make ends meet.

His delivery was fine. He is good on stage. Not a fan of his style, but it works for him.

Oh he commented on healthcare alright. By mostly bragging about how they had mostly dismantled Obamacare. One glaring omission was lack of a any mention on how he plans to avoid another government shutdown. Or even if he would like to avoid one for that matter.
 
What was missing for me was a public apology to the American people for being a complete asswipe and shutting the government down for five weeks. It would have been nice if he spoke to that.

Not to mention a explanation for why he felt it was worth doing.
 
Oh he commented on healthcare alright. By mostly bragging about how they had mostly dismantled Obamacare. One glaring omission was lack of a any mention on how he plans to avoid another government shutdown. Or even if he would like to avoid one for that matter.

Yup, and that isn't what most Americans wanted to hear. He promised a replacement. So did the GOP. They didn't deliver it. And they clearly have no plan at all for dealing with healthcare reform.
 
This isn't rocket science. Or climate science, lol.

Any kind of science and you're going to leave a lot of the Trump base out in the cold. Sadly for them, they take after their leader.
 
One would have expected employment to grow with the 842 billion dollar Obama stimulus for shovel ready jobs but that didn't happen, did it? As long as economic growth is positive that is something you will continue to tout but context matters except to you.

Largest economic expansion in history and the worst economic recovery in history conflict with each other. Obama's stimulus was mostly govt. spending bailing out unions and public employee a component of GDP and very little incentive to the private sector thus the very low and anemic economic growth. Keep focusing on the results generated and not the policies that generated those anemic results.

Correction: it was the longest expansion in US economic history. Not the largest expansion in all of history.
 
then most people and you are clueless about basic civics and how our gov't operates. A Presidential veto is the only way the President can shutdown the gov't. What you are showing is how poorly educated far too many are and how easily they are indoctrinated. Prove me wrong?

Most Americans think Trump shut down the government because he did shut down the government, and even said so. On CBS the interviewer asked him if HE would shut it down again.

Facts First.

But this partial shutdown has almost nothing to do with policy disagreements in the halls of the Capitol building — and everything to do with President Trump.

The impasse comes down to Trump’s demand for $5 billion to start building a wall at the southern border, something Democrats refuse to support. Trump has asked for wall funding since he took office, but every time Congress came around to negotiating spending bills, Republicans conceded the wall in exchange for funding other priorities.

In the weeks leading up to the December 21 deadline, it looked like Republicans and Democrats would do the same. The Senate passed a spending bill that fully funded the government but didn’t touch the border wall (instead, it included $1.3 billion for border security more generally), which had enough support to pass in the then-Republican-controlled House. But Trump said he would veto that bill, so the House, then led by Speaker Paul Ryan, passed a spending bill with $5.7 billion in wall funding with only Republican votes, which the Senate would never be able to pass, upending negotiations and leaving the government to shut down.

Most government shutdowns result in endless blame games. But in this case, Trump has actually gone on the record claiming responsibility. In a meeting with the Democratic leaders ahead of the spending deadline, he said he would be happy to shut down the government in a bid to force lawmakers to fund his southern border wall.

“I am proud to shut down the government for border security,” Trump told Democratic leaders a little more than a week before the latest shutdown started.

In December, at the last minute, the president pulled his support for a spending plan that had already passed the Senate, precipitating the shutdown. The American public accordingly blames him for the impasse far more than they blame Democrats in Congress.

"As a general rule, if you are the one demanding a policy change in exchange for funding the government, rather than agreeing to keep the government open while you try to get what you want on the policy, you are responsible for shutting down the government. Today, that’s Trump. He wants the border wall in exchange for opening the government."

This isn't complicated. Even most Americans understand these simple facts. Speaking of education, yes, Trump's base is doing badly in that area going by Pew.


P.S. And then The Turtle helped him,

McConnell blocks bill to reopen most of government (For the FOURTH time)

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/426668-mcconnell-blocks-bill-to-reopen-most-of-government
 
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Unlike you who blame everything on Bush

He failed to regulate derivatives and swaps... which was his right as POTUS. He let Lehman fail. There is a reason economic historians attribute most of the causes of the crisis on deregulation and poor policy. Did you think they are referring to the guy who wasn't even in office? :lamo

and point to the severity of the recession

This is what matters.

the economic policies that created the worst recovery in history.

Addressed already. If you would like actually respond to those posts instead of just saying "nuh uh, but Obama had $1 trillion dollar deficits and job losses when he was first elected", by all means you certainly have nothing better to do.

The measurement record isn't meaningless

It tells us nothing other than the population is growing during the final legs of the longest economic expansion in this country's history.

Trump's jobs are full time jobs, Obama's were part time, that is hardly meaningless

You are a liar! I have already corrected you on this multiple times but still you continue to push such dishonesty. The data is undeniable.

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This type of low-level posting and just pure knowledge deficiency is beginning to bore me. You say the same **** over and over, don't respond to peoples statements other than to disagree, lie, or cherry pick.
 
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Oof, Imagine still thinking there was no sizable economic turn around from 2009 to 2016. Regardless of historical data.

This is why you stay in school kids!
 
Severity of the recession?? This recession was no worse than the 81-82 recession so your opinion noted as is your inability to understand the failure of the Obama economic policies that led to that slow recovery. The difference between the recovery with both recessions is leadership or the lack of it with Obama. Nothing obviously is going to change your mind on this issue as you continue to show how little understanding you have about human behavior and economic policies affect on that behavior

Your statement shows just how out of touch you are with reality calling the employment numbers meaningless. they certainly aren't meaningless to the 4.9 million Americans newly employed and state and local revenue collections along with individual bank account benefits.

Another correction. You know there exists a reason why the recession of 2008-9 is historically referred to now as "The Great Recession". In the same way that the depression of 1929 if historically referred to as the "Great Depression". It's not surprising that "number of people" now working in the US is higher now than it was years ago. Because there are more living in the US now then at anytime in it's history. The labor participation rate however has remained relatively unchanged, if not slightly lower than it has been. It's estimated that GOP tax cut gift to American corporations has resulted in a loss of 95 billion in lost corporate tax revenue from the previous year. Just think 20% of that lost revenue would have been enough to pay for Mr Trump's vanity wall.
 
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