Elizabeth Warren - The Dems are going to Screw Themselves Again

[Phys251]

Super delegates make up only 15% of all delegates or 714 out of 4,765 total delegates.

As of summer of 2016 HRC led 460 to 38. Super delegates are the only votes that can be and are, voted for any candidate

regardless of any primary votes or victories. Super delegates are those appt. by the party establishment.

Plus, 7 million of the 9 million blacks who voted for Obama...didn't vote in 2016.

You do know that the unpledged delegates did not affect the outcome, right?

 

[Hawkeye10]

This is the nub of it I think:

Here’s the thing about interviewing Elizabeth Warren: It isn’t so much a conversation as a stump speech to an audience of one. (Two, if you count the spokeswoman who is sitting in on our conversation.)

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2017/04/02/elizabeth-warren-tough-love/

She put on a show when the circumstances required her to be a real person and take some small interest in the person she was talking to....but she was not interested in that.....she needs to play the part of the expert at all times....and we have had our fill of politicians who are more handled actor than they are a real person. She is not cold she is clinical, she is the opposite of Bill Clinton who could and often did make people feel like they were the only otjer people in the world for a few seconds or a few minutes.

 

[Chomsky]

You have decent political chops.

:2wave:

Thanks!

 

[Keridan]

This is a glaring example of problem with our primary/two-party system. The primaries are decided by the motivated (read far lean) end of a party who will make time to go vote an extra time. Everyone knows that to win the primaries, you have to appeal to the deep-seated members of the party you are running for.

That means you end up with loons like HRC, Trump, or Warren. Then the general happens and the group that decides it are the independents. They go out looking for the lesser of two evils and want a moderate. They end up with choices like above and are disgusted by both groups. They have to be motivated to go out and vote and a lot of the time they end up voting against who they think will do the most damage.

Warren is super cringe, which means she has a chance in the primaries. Bernie is socialist-progressive and pretty out there, which means he has a chance. Either one would be easy to damage and get us right back to a close election with Trump. Especially when the attacks on Trump are so constant, they just end up sounding like a buzzing noise.

A centrist would run the table right now. Pick a dem or GOP candidate who is willing to step across the isle and actually wants progress over trashing the other guys. Get them past the primaries and the independents (again, the guys who decide every election) will come out in droves to vote for them. They'd get all but the most extreme states.

 

[jamesrage]

do you really believe that many Americans are enamored by socialism? especially coming from a guy who lives like a feudal lord?

Sanders was allowed to run in order to make Clinton look more moderate and less crazy. For example someone who is 60 pounds overweight would be considered really fat to most people. But what if you stand that person next to someone who is a couple hundred pounds overweight? Then all of a sudden the person who is 60 pounds overweight doesn't look that fat anymore. That is what Sanders did for Clinton.By allowing a crazy socialist to run, the democrat party made Clinton look moderate and less crazy to the general public.

 

[trouble13]

Warren. I like her, but she waded into that BS about her being part Native American. There are going to be ****ing "Pocahontas" posters pasted over everything from now until 2020 when she loses.

Pick someone cool and without baggage Dems! One of the San Antonio twins, Gavin Newsom, Tulsi Gabbard, ANYONE BUT SOMEONE WITH TONS OF EASY PICKINGS LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN. Sure, whoever runs the GOP dirty tricksters will find something, but it won't be as easy as it will be with Warren.

When they tilted the scales for HRC against Bernie they totally ****ed themselves. They're about to do it again.

I feel powerless to stop it. So depressing.

From a political standpoint I think she was smart to get that out early. It hurts her less bringing it out early than right in the middle of a campaign.

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[trouble13]

Whatever. Bernie was the more appealing candidate of all the Dems in for 2016 and the Dems establishment ****s screwed him. They went for the establishment candidate. Warren doesn't have either the pazzaz or the spontaneous wit to out trump trump.

Bernie would have won over the independents who went for trump against Hillary, I'm certain he would have. If it wasn't for the DCCC we'd be looking at a Bernie presidency right now.

I can't believe I'm about to use a trump phrase, but I feel like the system is rigged and we're all just patsies thinking we're really in control of our own destiny

Democrats should be really pissed about what their party did to them. Thing is though, the DNC dont care because they know you ain't got nowhere to go.

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[DarkWizard12]

Republicans should vote for warren just so it would make reelection easy lol

 

[DaveFagan]

Warren. I like her, but she waded into that BS about her being part Native American. There are going to be ****ing "Pocahontas" posters pasted over everything from now until 2020 when she loses.

Pick someone cool and without baggage Dems! One of the San Antonio twins, Gavin Newsom, Tulsi Gabbard, ANYONE BUT SOMEONE WITH TONS OF EASY PICKINGS LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN. Sure, whoever runs the GOP dirty tricksters will find something, but it won't be as easy as it will be with Warren.

When they tilted the scales for HRC against Bernie they totally ****ed themselves. They're about to do it again.

I feel powerless to stop it. So depressing.

The Native American DNA tests stated she was exactly what she stated. A sixth generation. Her grandmother had stated that her great grandmother was an Indian and that is what the tests verified. Why does everyone think the test disproved her heritage. It confirmed it.
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[beancounter]

The Native American DNA tests stated she was exactly what she stated. A sixth generation. Her grandmother had stated that her great grandmother was an Indian and that is what the tests verified. Why does everyone think the test disproved her heritage. It confirmed it.
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I believe the issue is that the percent is so small, as to not be officially recognized by the Government as a minority.

Heck, if we go back 200,000 years, I can claim that I'm part African.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

Warren. I like her, but she waded into that BS about her being part Native American. There are going to be ****ing "Pocahontas" posters pasted over everything from now until 2020 when she loses.

Pick someone cool and without baggage Dems! One of the San Antonio twins, Gavin Newsom, Tulsi Gabbard, ANYONE BUT SOMEONE WITH TONS OF EASY PICKINGS LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN. Sure, whoever runs the GOP dirty tricksters will find something, but it won't be as easy as it will be with Warren.

When they tilted the scales for HRC against Bernie they totally ****ed themselves. They're about to do it again.

I feel powerless to stop it. So depressing.

It appears as though a number of people on this thread are trying---"to get you back on the reservation". Support who you want to support, not because of team politics the group is trying to enforce.

For the humor of it all, interesting that Elizabeth Warren will be visiting Buena Vista county in Iowa this weekend. Someone noted what counties were on either side of that county:

 

[Chomsky]

I haven’t watched her in several months so maybe she has changed, but from what I remember Warren is nowhere near as bad as Hillary in that regard. During actual Senate speeches or when questioning bank executives during Congressional testimonies, Warren is damn near inspirational. Those videos went viral. Hillary was NEVER able to pull that kind of passion off.

Now, interviews are a different story. Charisma helps in interviews, and Warren is not charismatic. But seeming fake in those situations is worse than seeming uncharismatic. Warren is uncharismatic. Hillary was fake. Whether you agree with Warren’s policy positions or not, people tend to think she genuinely believes them, whereas most people tend to believe Hillary just says what is most politically advantageous.

But while I disagree on the Hillary comparison, I do think her charisma and likeability are going to be an issue, even though they shouldn’t be, but the average American voter focuses on superficial things.

Whereas I generalized, you went into astute detail. Yeah, I agree with everything you wrote.

I've seen her do great stuff in speeches and in friendly venues. But when she's put on the hot-plate doing Q & A in an environment that's even slightly hostile to her, she seems to crumble. I don't know what it is, but she comes across terribly. Which is why I don't think she has the stuff to prevail.

This is unfortunate, because I pretty much agree with nearly all her policy.

 

[Chomsky]

This is the nub of it I think:


https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2017/04/02/elizabeth-warren-tough-love/

She put on a show when the circumstances required her to be a real person and take some small interest in the person she was talking to....but she was not interested in that.....she needs to play the part of the expert at all times....and we have had our fill of politicians who are more handled actor than they are a real person. She is not cold she is clinical, she is the opposite of Bill Clinton who could and often did make people feel like they were the only otjer people in the world for a few seconds or a few minutes.

The bolded is one of the most important qualities one can have, regardless of their station in life.

Or, to quote George Burns:

“The key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.” ― George Burns.

 

[DaveFagan]

I believe the issue is that the percent is so small, as to not be officially recognized by the Government as a minority.

Heck, if we go back 200,000 years, I can claim that I'm part African.

Only when the issue is twisted. It was substantiated by her ancestral dna testing. Sixth generation. She never claimed anything else.
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[joko104]

The Native American DNA tests stated she was exactly what she stated. A sixth generation. Her grandmother had stated that her great grandmother was an Indian and that is what the tests verified. Why does everyone think the test disproved her heritage. It confirmed it.
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The test did not prove 6th generation. It proved "maybe." Regardless...

It proved that she lied in her Harvard job application. As a lawyer she KNEW at the time that being a "sixth generation" only NA absolute meant she did NOT qualify as an NA either under federal law or tribal law. It confirmed that she willfully, knowingly and deliberately lied - but then that was already known.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Oh, you are adorable. Hillary was the true winner of every debate against trump. She is light years more qualified to be president than trump. He looked like a total dick in the debates and at all his ralllies, but Hillary was so nauseating to so many people we ended up electing trump anyway HRC had a superior resume'. We need someone who can make trump look like more of a dick in comparison, someone who is young, witty, and yes, qualified, but someone who can out trump trump. I'm telling you guys I know I'm right. 2016 was not that long ago, people!

I said before, just superior qualifications do not matter in American elections. Look who we just elected!

I do think you have a point. Voters don't really care about qualifications. They care more about charisma and looks. The most charismatic candidate usually wins.

 

[lurchadams]

It appears as though a number of people on this thread are trying---"to get you back on the reservation". Support who you want to support, not because of team politics the group is trying to enforce.

For the humor of it all, interesting that Elizabeth Warren will be visiting Buena Vista county in Iowa this weekend. Someone noted what counties were on either side of that county:

Whomever the Dems nominate, I'll support, whether it's Warren or anyone else. What other choice to I have? I'm sure not going to vote for trump.

 

[lurchadams]

I do think you have a point. Voters don't really care about qualifications. They care more about charisma and looks. The most charismatic candidate usually wins.

This is what I'm sayin'! And there are Dems right now both at the executive state level and at the national level that have both charisma and who are qualified.

 

[markjs]

Warren. I like her, but she waded into that BS about her being part Native American. There are going to be ****ing "Pocahontas" posters pasted over everything from now until 2020 when she loses.

Pick someone cool and without baggage Dems! One of the San Antonio twins, Gavin Newsom, Tulsi Gabbard, ANYONE BUT SOMEONE WITH TONS OF EASY PICKINGS LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN. Sure, whoever runs the GOP dirty tricksters will find something, but it won't be as easy as it will be with Warren.

When they tilted the scales for HRC against Bernie they totally ****ed themselves. They're about to do it again.

I feel powerless to stop it. So depressing.

You want a phony corporate dupe like Beto?

Aside from Bernie, she's the only true progressive in the field. If we really want the swamp drained we couldn't do much better. You consider that bagage? Wow, just wow, you might as well just let Trump pick our nominee.:roll: Totally pathetic.

Honestly I think we will get a white guy (I PRAY not Beto) and Warren will take the VP ticket. But I'm betting Warren is on the ticket in the end and I sure hope so.

 

[lurchadams]

You want a phony corporate dupe like Beto?

Aside from Bernie, she's the only true progressive in the field. If we really want the swamp drained we couldn't do much better. You consider that bagage? Wow, just wow, you might as well just let Trump pick our nominee.:roll: Totally pathetic.

Honestly I think we will get a white guy (I PRAY not Beto) and Warren will take the VP ticket. But I'm betting Warren is on the ticket in the end and I sure hope so.

I'll support whomever the nominee is. I hope it's not Warren, but if it is I'll vote for her. My point is I don't want a repeat of 2016 where the Dems put up an extremely distasteful candidate. We need more than just you and me to vote for the Dem nominee.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Warren. I like her, but she waded into that BS about her being part Native American. There are going to be ****ing "Pocahontas" posters pasted over everything from now until 2020 when she loses.

Pick someone cool and without baggage Dems! One of the San Antonio twins, Gavin Newsom, Tulsi Gabbard, ANYONE BUT SOMEONE WITH TONS OF EASY PICKINGS LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN. Sure, whoever runs the GOP dirty tricksters will find something, but it won't be as easy as it will be with Warren.

When they tilted the scales for HRC against Bernie they totally ****ed themselves. They're about to do it again.

I feel powerless to stop it. So depressing.

However Elizabeth did Marry a man and then divorce him as soon as he finished paying her college bills.

This makes her a STRONG and BRAVE EMPOWERED WOMAN and so that evens out

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The only ones that would hold her repeating something that she had been told her whole life against her are people that would not vote for her to begin with...

She wasn’t told that. She made it up from whole cloth.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Whatever. Bernie was the more appealing candidate of all the Dems in for 2016 and the Dems establishment ****s screwed him. They went for the establishment candidate. Warren doesn't have either the pazzaz or the spontaneous wit to out trump trump.

Bernie would have won over the independents who went for trump against Hillary, I'm certain he would have. If it wasn't for the DCCC we'd be looking at a Bernie presidency right now.

I can't believe I'm about to use a trump phrase, but I feel like the system is rigged and we're all just patsies thinking we're really in control of our own destiny

Bernie is a raving old lunatic. He lost, plain and simple. There is no metric period by which you can base the idea that Bernie lost due to fraud, and once the primary was over Trump would’ve steamrolled him

 

[markjs]

I'll support whomever the nominee is. I hope it's not Warren, but if it is I'll vote for her. My point is I don't want a repeat of 2016 where the Dems put up an extremely distasteful candidate. We need more than just you and me to vote for the Dem nominee.

But there is nothing "distasteful" other than some dumb BS about "Pochahontus" or whatever, what is so distatseful, the money she got back for consumers?

 

[lurchadams]

However Elizabeth did Marry a man and then divorce him as soon as he finished paying her college bills.

This makes her a STRONG and BRAVE EMPOWERED WOMAN and so that evens out

See? The wing nuts have already started and she hasn't even announced.