Elizabeth Warren - The Dems are going to Screw Themselves Again

[yankintx]

Just get behind the candidate who inspires you the most instead of worrying whether some other candidate is “cool” enough. Then, after the primary, get behind the candidate that wins. Being united wins the 2020 election. The winning formula is literally that simple.

Tomorrow genuine oversight of the executive branch begins. Take enjoyment in that.

I will support the canidate who has the most viable chance to beat the current occupant of the WH.

 

[Cardinal]

I will support the canidate who has the most viable chance to beat the current occupant of the WH.

By all means. We all have our favorites, and in over a year we’ll select our favorite in the primary and unite behind whoever wins.

 

[distraff]

Warren. I like her, but she waded into that BS about her being part Native American. There are going to be ****ing "Pocahontas" posters pasted over everything from now until 2020 when she loses.

Pick someone cool and without baggage Dems! One of the San Antonio twins, Gavin Newsom, Tulsi Gabbard, ANYONE BUT SOMEONE WITH TONS OF EASY PICKINGS LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN. Sure, whoever runs the GOP dirty tricksters will find something, but it won't be as easy as it will be with Warren.

When they tilted the scales for HRC against Bernie they totally ****ed themselves. They're about to do it again.

I feel powerless to stop it. So depressing.

I do think she had a lot of baggage, but I'd support her if her policies are any good. She does have a PhD in economics and I am open to her policy proposals.

 

[lurchadams]

The “establishment” formula, getting behind the primary winner, wasn’t followed in 2016 and as a result we lost. Divide and conquer was used by republicans and the Russians and it’ll be used again regardless of who wins the primary. Just keep your eye on the ball and don’t let republicans ruffle your feathers.

Oh My. And there's another death trap. Dems blaming the Russians for the election loss. We might as well all get snowflake tattoos on our foreheads so we can go cry to mommy about those mean Russians sabotaging us. The candidate we ultimately choose will have to not only be qualified, but they will have to be tough, cool, look fearless, and have the spontaneous wit of an Anthony Jesylnik if we're going motivate our base to come out and vote and to motivate independants that would have voted for anyone but Hillary. In my opinion, of course.

 

[yankintx]

Bernie probably could have won in 2008, as I think any Democrat, even one perceived as a so called "socialist", would have won. But in 2016? I'm not sure. He actually had worse support among minorities than Clinton.

Agree

Bernie would have fared worse than Hilldog, even with her overloaded baggage trolley. The Socialists label would have been stuck on Sanders like flies on sh*t. I like Sanders, he did a good job in Vermont, is likable and honest, but not electable in the number one spot for the reason I detailed above.

 

[Cardinal]

Oh My. And there's another death trap. Dems blaming the Russians for the election loss. We might as well all get snowflake tattoos on our foreheads so we can go cry to mommy about those mean Russians sabotaging us. The candidate we ultimately choose will have to not only be qualified, but they will have to be tough, cool, look fearless, and have the spontaneous wit of an Anthony Jesylnik if we're going motivate our base to come out and vote and to motivate independants that would have voted for anyone but Hillary. In my opinion, of course.

Hey, real oversight of trump begins tomorrow. Won’t that be nice?

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Warren. I like her, but she waded into that BS about her being part Native American. There are going to be ****ing "Pocahontas" posters pasted over everything from now until 2020 when she loses.

Pick someone cool and without baggage Dems! One of the San Antonio twins, Gavin Newsom, Tulsi Gabbard, ANYONE BUT SOMEONE WITH TONS OF EASY PICKINGS LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN. Sure, whoever runs the GOP dirty tricksters will find something, but it won't be as easy as it will be with Warren.

When they tilted the scales for HRC against Bernie they totally ****ed themselves. They're about to do it again.

I feel powerless to stop it. So depressing.

Warren is almost as much of a Democratic Party outsider as Bernie was/is. The corporations hate Warren. And the Democratic Party, despite the rhetoric, is run by corporatists. The Democrats will stack the deck against Warren just as they did Bernie, and for the same reasons. Don’t worry, as soon as a mainstream Dem like Biden announces, CNN and MSNBC and Democratic leadership will start being dismissive of Warren, calling her ideas noble but unrealistic. The conservatives and Fox and even Trump will start sounding almost sympathetic toward Warren as they denounce the unfair treatment she is receiving from the establishment left.

We have seen this movie before.

 

[lurchadams]

Just vote for whoever is the Dems candidate in 2020, regardless of what anyone says. If you and enough Democrats do that, Trump and the GOP will lose. Don't repeat the mistakes of 2016.

I did and we still got president trump. But not everyone's like me. Like the rust belt Dems that voted for trump. Like the Democratic voters that didn't like trump but found HRC so nauseating that they stayed home. Just telling people like me to vote for the top of the Dem ticket like I probably will anyway is just not enough, my friend.

 

[lurchadams]

Hey, real oversight of trump begins tomorrow. Won’t that be nice?

Sure. How likely is it that trump will ever testify on live TV and end up looking like an idiot like Clinton did in the late 90's? You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have to go, "Squirrel" to try to divert my attention, sir.

 

[Puigb]

I did and we still got president trump. But not everyone's like me. Like the rust belt Dems that voted for trump. Like the Democratic voters that didn't like trump but found HRC so nauseating that they stayed home. Just telling people like me to vote for the top of the Dem ticket like I probably will anyway is just not enough, my friend.

so we need to unite. No more fighting each other. Unite behind the Democratic nominee in 2020, and the presidency will go to the Dems. People have had a Taste of the Trump presidency, and the results of the 2018 mid-term have shown is that they aren't liking it.

 

[Xelor]

Warren. I like her, but she waded into that BS about her being part Native American. There are going to be ****ing "Pocahontas" posters pasted over everything from now until 2020 when she loses.

Pick someone cool and without baggage Dems! One of the San Antonio twins, Gavin Newsom, Tulsi Gabbard, ANYONE BUT SOMEONE WITH TONS OF EASY PICKINGS LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN. Sure, whoever runs the GOP dirty tricksters will find something, but it won't be as easy as it will be with Warren.

When they tilted the scales for HRC against Bernie they totally ****ed themselves. They're about to do it again.

I feel powerless to stop it. So depressing.

Insofar as I know this time round, I'm going to vote for whatever Dem opposes Trump, Warren is good enough, but she may not be the most trivially unassailable person whom Dems can nominate.

Red:

• Cool --> I really don't care whether a POTUS candidate is "cool." Cool is nice, but on my list of privy qualities that matter about a POTUS, cool doesn't appear.
• Without baggage --> I suspect that folks who truly have not baggage don't want the job. Accordingly, the person nominated needs to be someone who also can adroitly "do the dozens," disabusing their rhetoric of the civil veneer other pols and the press have maintained when responding to and discussing Trump. Mind, that person need not be particularly adept at conjuring pithy, puissant and poignant ripostes, but s/he must be nonpareil at pillorying opponents with them.

 

[Cardinal]

Sure. How likely is it that trump will ever testify on live TV and end up looking like an idiot like Clinton did in the late 90's? You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have to go, "Squirrel" to try to divert my attention, sir.

My point is to remind you that there are positive things we can enjoy today and that the primary is over a year away.

 

[lurchadams]

I do think she had a lot of baggage, but I'd support her if her policies are any good. She does have a PhD in economics and I am open to her policy proposals.

Great we got one for Warren. We only need a couple of hundred million more, mostly in Ohio and Florida so that we can win both the popular and electoral votes.

 

[joko104]

So the OPer is of the opinion that the Democratic Party should not nominate a ranting angry white haired old white woman who can't make a realistic smile to save her life with a career as an opportunist - whatever it took at the moment? Sound like a winner to me! :2razz:

 

[Cardinal]

so we need to unite. No more fighting each other. Unite behind the Democratic nominee in 2020, and the presidency will go to the Dems. People have had a Taste of the Trump presidency, and the results of the 2018 mid-term have shown is that they aren't liking it.

QFT. The winning formula is literally this simple.

 

[lurchadams]

Warren is almost as much of a Democratic Party outsider as Bernie was/is. The corporations hate Warren. And the Democratic Party, despite the rhetoric, is run by corporatists. The Democrats will stack the deck against Warren just as they did Bernie, and for the same reasons. Don’t worry, as soon as a mainstream Dem like Biden announces, CNN and MSNBC and Democratic leadership will start being dismissive of Warren, calling her ideas noble but unrealistic. The conservatives and Fox and even Trump will start sounding almost sympathetic toward Warren as they denounce the unfair treatment she is receiving from the establishment left.

We have seen this movie before.

Wow. So you're saying that Warren is not an establishment Democrat and actually can appeal to the Democratic electorate as an outsider. You're saying that Warren is another "Bernie". That would be great! If the she and the Dems could manage to package her like that and if she could show some moxie when brutally attacked where people like John Kerry and Hillary couldn't we just might have a chance with her. I know you didn't mean to but you're the first one to give me hope for Warren, my friend. Thanks!

 

[Puigb]

QFT. The winning formula is literally this simple.

Republicans, including so called "Never Trumpers", united behind Trump in 2016, and they won. They will unite behind Trump or whoever is the GOP nominee in 2020. Dems need to do the same.

 

[distraff]

Great we got one for Warren. We only need a couple of hundred million more, mostly in Ohio and Florida so that we can win both the popular and electoral votes.

She doesn't even have me. I am only open to supporting her and willing to overlook her Indian role playing. I am personally going to vote for the candidate who I believe is most qualified to be president, and hope they have what it takes to win.

 

[Pedestrian]

Quit whining. If Sanders was such a great candidate then no amount of "rigging" would have kept him from becoming the nominee.

You do know that the RNC was impartial against tRump, right? Yet we never hear about that one! I wonder why that is?

Super delegates make up only 15% of all delegates or 714 out of 4,765 total delegates.

As of summer of 2016 HRC led 460 to 38. Super delegates are the only votes that can be and are, voted for any candidate

regardless of any primary votes or victories. Super delegates are those appt. by the party establishment.

Plus, 7 million of the 9 million blacks who voted for Obama...didn't vote in 2016.

 

[Felis Leo]

You had up until



and I was going to give you a like. I don't want an asshole demagogue as our nominee. I want someone like Obama. Someone cool Someone who can motivate voters like Obama did and like Hillary or Warren could and cannot. Someone with wit for when trump calls them a "nasty man" or "nasty woman" they can come back with something funny and classy but that could make him look like the horrible prick he truly is.

Well, to be fair, lurchadams, it isn't as if the American people were bamboozled into somehow thinking that Donald Trump was not a horrible prick, or was somehow a wonderfully nice, sober character behind a nasty exterior. People vote for horrible pricks all the time when they feel their alternative is worse.

All said, I think that as long as Elizabeth Warren does not allow herself to be drawn into fakery by her handlers, she will be just fine. I'm not saying that she will necessarily win either the nomination or the election, but I think she will be just fine, all this blood quantum nonsense aside.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Wow. So you're saying that Warren is not an establishment Democrat and actually can appeal to the Democratic electorate as an outsider. You're saying that Warren is another "Bernie". That would be great! If the she and the Dems could manage to package her like that and if she could show some moxie when brutally attacked where people like John Kerry and Hillary couldn't we just might have a chance with her. I know you didn't mean to but you're the first one to give me hope for Warren, my friend. Thanks!

Glad I could help.

The problem isn’t the general election. I believe Warren can beat Trump just as I believe Bernie could beat Trump. The problem is winning the Democratic primary. Progressives don’t do well in Democratic primaries. Bernie did the best yet, but it wasn’t enough. I don’t see Warren performing better than Bernie in the primaries. Though the one thing Warren has over Bernie is she has always been an actual Democrat whereas Bernie is an Independent who only changes his party affiliation to “Democrat” for elections and then switches back. I 100% understand why he does it, but I can see the type of person who votes in Democratic primaries being turned off by it.

 

[lurchadams]

Well, to be fair, it isn't as if the American people were bamboozled into somehow thinking that Donald Trump was not a horrible prick, or was somehow a wonderfully nice, sober character behind a nasty exterior. People vote for horrible pricks all the time when they feel their alternative is worse.

I truly believe that if HRC could have shown more energy and had the ability to come up with zingers to combat trump's boorishness that didn't look forced and rehearsed during debates she would have motivated more people to vote for her in places where we needed them to.

 

[Chomsky]

It is not the baggage so much as it is that she looks horrible in the spotlight....she is so clearly not up to it.

I said here when I was fresh that I thought that she could make a decent candidate and that I would consider voting for her, but I was wrong.

Damn Hawkeye, I agree with this post 100%. I could have written it myself.

She comes across perhaps even worse than Hillary. And that ain't good!

 

[Hawkeye10]

Damn Hawkeye, I agree with this post 100%. I could have written it myself.

She comes across perhaps even worse than Hillary. And that ain't good!

You have decent political chops.

:2wave:

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Damn Hawkeye, I agree with this post 100%. I could have written it myself.

She comes across perhaps even worse than Hillary. And that ain't good!

I haven’t watched her in several months so maybe she has changed, but from what I remember Warren is nowhere near as bad as Hillary in that regard. During actual Senate speeches or when questioning bank executives during Congressional testimonies, Warren is damn near inspirational. Those videos went viral. Hillary was NEVER able to pull that kind of passion off.

Now, interviews are a different story. Charisma helps in interviews, and Warren is not charismatic. But seeming fake in those situations is worse than seeming uncharismatic. Warren is uncharismatic. Hillary was fake. Whether you agree with Warren’s policy positions or not, people tend to think she genuinely believes them, whereas most people tend to believe Hillary just says what is most politically advantageous.

But while I disagree on the Hillary comparison, I do think her charisma and likeability are going to be an issue, even though they shouldn’t be, but the average American voter focuses on superficial things.