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40% of those service members had skills in a "critical" occupation or foreign language such as Arabic, or both.

So, someone feels that an openly homosexual would be a great interpreter in Afghanistan??
No I would guess that these Arabic speaking boys would rather prove that they were homosexual than go to the Middle East. I also expect that these arabic speakers have much better jobs in the private sector and aren’t being shot at.

1,442, servicemembers who were removed

Since the military can’t ask the service members must have told and they may have done that to get out. They were released not removed.

7 service members held a critical occupation and also held an important foreign language skill."

That must be half of the people we had with such qualifications. “7” that will cost us????
 

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So, someone feels that an openly homosexual would be a great interpreter in Afghanistan??
No I would guess that these Arabic speaking boys would rather prove that they were homosexual than go to the Middle East. I also expect that these arabic speakers have much better jobs in the private sector and aren’t being shot at.



Since the military can’t ask the service members must have told and they may have done that to get out. They were released not removed.



That must be half of the people we had with such qualifications. “7” that will cost us????


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Nothing new here, I know of 2 guys who got out of the Navy, Both got excellent technical training from the navy, then found a way to become civilians again...
First one had 2 years in, more than half of that in electronics schools, then claimed to smoke mj....Stupid Navy offered the "admit to smoking dope program" and you get out with a general discharge. That was in 1969. He had enough time in to use the GI bill to go to college for 4 years.
Second one was almost thru Nuclear Power School, supposedly a $100K education, and ate until he qualified to be booted on the fatboy program around 1981....
 

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So, someone feels that an openly homosexual would be a great interpreter in Afghanistan??
No I would guess that these Arabic speaking boys would rather prove that they were homosexual than go to the Middle East. I also expect that these arabic speakers have much better jobs in the private sector and aren’t being shot at.
Since the military can’t ask the service members must have told and they may have done that to get out. They were released not removed.
That must be half of the people we had with such qualifications. “7” that will cost us????

First, do you want to back up your claim that these soldiers only claim to be gay so that they could get out under DADT? No, thats alright, I know you can't. And as much as it happens in the military, its an exception not a rule.

Second, are you seriously insulting gay/lesbian men and women in uniform as being sub-par translators???

Lastly, every soldier counts.
 

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Nothing new here, I know of 2 guys who got out of the Navy, Both got excellent technical training from the navy, then found a way to become civilians again...
First one had 2 years in, more than half of that in electronics schools, then claimed to smoke mj....Stupid Navy offered the "admit to smoking dope program" and you get out with a general discharge. That was in 1969. He had enough time in to use the GI bill to go to college for 4 years.
Second one was almost thru Nuclear Power School, supposedly a $100K education, and ate until he qualified to be booted on the fatboy program around 1981....

You seem to hang with free loaders. There should be a clause in there for morons like these two. You get discharged on the fatboy or maryjane programs and if you have not served "X" amount of time, every year short of that you must refund the citizens of this country that are paying for your education.

Of course there would be no interest free loans either. Market value baby... no discounts.

That would solve fatboy and maryjane but quick. It should apply for the DADT rejects too. You fight it and lose, you pay your costs and the costs the citizens of this country have had to fund to kick your ass out.

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He's complaining about how much it costs to discharge a soldier. Right?

He's complaining about the exorbitant costs associated with discharging a soldier simply because he/she was homosexual. He didn't show any opinion on the general cost of discharging soldiers.
 

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Some would probably say the homosexuals should be fined for it.

at least they should lose future VA benefits for outing themselves after getting useful job skill training....
 

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First, do you want to back up your claim that these soldiers only claim to be gay so that they could get out under DADT? No, thats alright, I know you can't. And as much as it happens in the military, its an exception not a rule.

Second, are you seriously insulting gay/lesbian men and women in uniform as being sub-par translators???

Lastly, every soldier counts.


Seems to me that you could have looked at what I said –“they may have done that to get out.” – before you asked me to back up a statement that I didn’t make.

I believe that I said that a boy in a dress wouldn't get much interpreting done in the Middle East.

I don’t know where you served but in the Air Force in the bomb dump about 15% of our guys didn’t count for much.
 

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So, someone feels that an openly homosexual would be a great interpreter in Afghanistan??
No I would guess that these Arabic speaking boys would rather prove that they were homosexual than go to the Middle East. I also expect that these arabic speakers have much better jobs in the private sector and aren’t being shot at.

Since the military can’t ask the service members must have told and they may have done that to get out. They were released not removed.

That must be half of the people we had with such qualifications. “7” that will cost us????

Firstly, there's no 'out-forever' policy. A guy can be openly gay to someone people, and not to others. Its called lying or much more commonly its just a simple matter of not telling them. I'm sure a gay Arabic interpreter isn't going to say "Hello, how are you? By the way I'm gay" as the first thing out of his mouth.

Secondly, while the military cannot ask if you are caught by someone or confide in someone who tells the military, you can see be booted out.
 

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Seems to me that you could have looked at what I said –“they may have done that to get out.” – before you asked me to back up a statement that I didn’t make.
I believe that I said that a boy in a dress wouldn't get much interpreting done in the Middle East.
I don’t know where you served but in the Air Force in the bomb dump about 15% of our guys didn’t count for much.

No one dresses like this over there or anything

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But that point is beside the bigger question of why you think a gay servicemen would be walking around in any dress to begin with.
 

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I believe that I said that a boy in a dress wouldn't get much interpreting done in the Middle East.

I don’t know where you served but in the Air Force in the bomb dump about 15% of our guys didn’t count for much.

Because gay's are excluded from military dress right? And they are flamboyantly gay in a freaking war zone? You keep telling yourself that.

The difference between where you worked and where we were previously not allowing gays to work is the people in the war zone don't always speak english, and if we even lose 1 translator to DADT, thats too many. Your argument that these specialists are expendable/not needed is full of holes.
 

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He's complaining about how much it costs to discharge a soldier. Right?

No. He's complaining about how much money was wasted on a stupid policy.
 

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Seems to me that you could have looked at what I said –“they may have done that to get out.” – before you asked me to back up a statement that I didn’t make.

I believe that I said that a boy in a dress wouldn't get much interpreting done in the Middle East.

I don’t know where you served but in the Air Force in the bomb dump about 15% of our guys didn’t count for much.

Since no one in the military will be in a dress, boy or girl, gay or straight, in the ME doing anything, because they will all be in uniform, then your point is ridiculous.

Plus, most homosexuals are not transgendered or crossdressers. And, there are a lot more heterosexual "boys in dresses" than many people would care to think about, even in the military. In fact, I have found forums for military crossdressers, many on those on these forums are straight guys.

Also, there hasn't actually been any discharges that I know of for a military member crossdressing, although it is certainly possible that someone was turned in as "gay" for being a crossdresser, whether they were homosexual or not. Crossdressing does not indicate a person's sexuality. And the ban was on homosexuality. Crossdressers are just not allowed to do so on military property or at military functions.

So your point means little unless you can prove that those who got out under DADT were all or mostly crossdressers.

And, it has been my experience that most of those who are truly homosexual are not being put out because they signed paperwork that they were gay. Many of them were "found out" because of something they did or something that someone else saw on a computer or in a letter or in public that would not have gotten two looks had it been a heterosexual in the same situation. Some of those that actually are homosexual and signed paperwork to get out should have just waited out their enlistment, but I can certainly understand why they would choose their family's wellbeing over their commitment to an organization who discriminates against them because of the sex of the person that they have committed to. I knew a lesbian who signed the paperwork because she was offered a job where the company was willing to recognize her partner as her spouse and give them full benefits as such, along with more money than she made in the Navy. It was a limited offer. Many heterosexuals in the military cannot understand such a choice because the military doesn't discriminate against their choice of spouse.

Now, there are some heterosexuals who have signed the paperwork to get out of the military under DADT as well. Many did so because they simply couldn't handle the pressure or didn't want to go on a deployment, but they also didn't want an OTH discharge.
 

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A gay person isn't unfit for service.

Sometimes a gay person is unfit for service.

Hate to break it to you and despite popular belief, gay soldiers are no more of an asset to the military than straight soldiers.
 

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Sometimes a gay person is unfit for service.

Hate to break it to you and despite popular belief, gay soldiers are no more of an asset to the military than straight soldiers.

I believe qualifications matter. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with job performance. Sexual misconduct has no place in the workplace for both gays and straights.
 

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I believe qualifications matter. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with job performance. Sexual misconduct has no place in the workplace for both gays and straights.



I agree, but we'll see how the system handles the transition.
 

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Sometimes a gay person is unfit for service.

Hate to break it to you and despite popular belief, gay soldiers are no more of an asset to the military than straight soldiers.

He didn't say that. He said being gay doesn't make someone unfit for service.
 
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