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does the 2nd ammendment only apply to US citizens?

Oftencold said:
"Self deportation" is not a threat. It is simply a state of affairs in which foreign criminal invaders voluntarily remove themselves for the country because it is unprofitable for them to be here.

My question, is why should the 13th Amendment apply to these people?


Really, I wish we'd just annex Mexico and be done with it.
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Awesome, more dependents on the state teat.
 
Guy Incognito said:
The second amendment has radically expanded for
It's original intent to protect state militias. It now protects. Fundamental individual right to gun ownership. There is no good reason this shouldn't apply equally to non citizens, like the right to speedy trial and so forth. It is a natural right to be able to own a firearm or any honestly acquired tangible property. There is no reason this right should be limited in any way based on citizenship.
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This was always understood, until leftwing socialist types started making a big ****ing deal out of it. For hundreds of years people have own guns in this country with not a peep out of anyone, then in the late 20th century a group of pansies got their panties all up in a wad over evil gun owners and "assault weapons". Every since then we've had this endless, mindless debate about guns, gun history, the evil NRA, assault weapon use on elementary school children once or twice per century, and many other inane premises used to try and kill gun ownership. Not even the Nazis were as bad as the mind of the American gun controller. These idiots fill debates with endless rants about how crime would end as we know it, and rainbows would shoot out of everyone's ass and the world would finally be at peace. :roll:
 
The Constitution guarantees the rights of all persons in the USA.

Even illegal aliens have a right to a trial by jury, to see his accuser, to not be enslaved.

This also includes owning a firearm. Self defense is a universal human right.
 
Guy Incognito said:
That is disgustingly xenophobic. All people are entitled to natural rights regardless of citizenship.
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Take it up with the writers of the SD constitution because it says what it says and you crying about it changes nothing.
 
Jerry said:
Take it up with the writers of the SD constitution because it says what it says and you crying about it changes nothing.
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On the contrary, your bizarre misinterpretation of the law has absolutely nothing to do with reality.
 
Guy Incognito said:
On the contrary, your bizarre misinterpretation of the law has absolutely nothing to do with reality.
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I have yet to see any interpretation of the constitution from you that was not bizarre guy. the fact is citizens have greater rights than illegal immigrants for example. Do you know that an illegal has no right to federal district court review of a habeas corpus petition
 
The 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment all protect the rights of Persons in the United States.

Not just citizens, but all Persons.

If they wanted these rights to only work for citizens, they would have said so.
 
Etoner said:
The 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment all protect the rights of Persons in the United States.

Not just citizens, but all Persons.

If they wanted these rights to only work for citizens, they would have said so.
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All these people have to be here legally. Illegal aliens do not have these rights.
 
Don't know, don't really care. Not my problem, and if someone makes it my problem I'll deal with them directly.
 
American said:
Awesome, more dependents on the state teat.
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Well, aren't we already supposed to solve Mexico's woes? I think that the arrangement should be formalized.

Mexico has no excuse for poverty. The country has a generally mild climate, sufficient water overall, and reasonable advanced infrastructure and education, and natural resources. When you get right down to it, Mexico is poor because it is populated by Mexicans. They are human beings first though. So maybe they ought to be lifted ot of their cultyure and made into productive Americans --all of them.

Again, if we are to be held responsible for fixing Mexico, we ought to at least get real estate out of the deal.
 
American said:
All these people have to be here legally. Illegal aliens do not have these rights.
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There is no such thing as an illegal alien for it is not a crime to enter the US without proper identification or permit; it is nonetheless a removable administrative offense- that's why we deport people, not prosecute & jail them for entering the US without proper permits. This is also why you won't find such an offense leading to a trial- it's not in the penal code.

The Constitution applies to US persons, not only US citizens.
 
greyhat said:
There is no such thing as an illegal alien for it is not a crime to enter the US without proper identification or permit; it is nonetheless a removable administrative offense- that's why we deport people, not prosecute & jail them for entering the US without proper permits. This is also why you won't find such an offense leading to a trial- it's not in the penal code.

The Constitution applies to US persons, not only US citizens.
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yes there are illegal aliens, becuase that is what the 1924 law, states that they are.
 
ernst barkmann said:
yes there are illegal aliens, becuase that is what the 1924 law, states that they are.
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Citation please? Also, please provide the most recent trial argument(s) you can find of such a case.
 
greyhat said:
Citation please? Also, please provide the most recent trial argument(s) you can find of such a case.
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trial arguments? LOL
 
greyhat said:
The US Constitution covers not only US Citizens but also US persons.
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this is true,...but becuase the supreme court deemed the federal bill of rights applied to the states after the civil war.

and this created problems, becuase before the civil war, states followed their own constitution, and depending on how they were written... laws could be written concerning firearms, and religion, among other things.

however according to the constitutional law, the federal government and state government cannot make any laws which infringe on rights of law abiding citizens today, becuase the bill of rights states that the federal government and now state governments, have no authority over them....this from the bill of rights preamble.
 
Etoner said:
The Constitution guarantees the rights of all persons in the USA.

Even illegal aliens have a right to a trial by jury, to see his accuser, to not be enslaved.

This also includes owning a firearm. Self defense is a universal human right.
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Not quite. The Constitution does not guarantee rights to all. It restricts the government in actions it can take. It does apply to all within the boundaries of US law because the US government is forbidden from certain actions and none of it was contingent upon a man being a citizen or not. The Bill of Rights is a specific set of restrictions upon the Government, not the People.
 
Alien yes- we have resident aliens and non-resident aliens. Where is the illegal part? You didn't provide your citation of criminality or trials..
 
Ikari said:
Not quite. The Constitution does not guarantee rights to all. It restricts the government in actions it can take. It does apply to all within the boundaries of US law because the US government is forbidden from certain actions and none of it was contingent upon a man being a citizen or not. The Bill of Rights is a specific set of restrictions upon the Government, not the People.
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you have to note, that it says in the 5th...no person.

the bill of rights as you said does not grant any rights, however rights are natural to all people, some countries do not reorganize them, but america does.

if a person did not have a right liberty or property, ..then it could be taken from them, without reprisal of law.
 
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greyhat said:
Alien yes- we have resident aliens and non-resident aliens. Where is the illegal part? You didn't provide your citation of criminality or trials..
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so your going to stay on the position, that there action is not illegal?

since the immigration bill is lay down as a law, the violation of it is an .....illegal action
 
ernst barkmann said:
so your going to stay on the position, that there action is not illegal?

since the immigration bill is lay down as a law, the violation of it is an .....illegal action
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Yes I am; the action of entering the US improperly is not a criminal act therefore it is not illegal. Non-resident aliens who entered without proper authority are subject to deportation, an administrative process, that leads to removal- not a trial that leads to conviction or acquittal.
 
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