AdamT
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I'm wondering how they do that, given that there's a two year limit on welfare?
Due to our current economy, yes you have a point. But in nomal times, there are plenty of poor people who simply prefer to live off of Uncle Sam that to work.
Maybe we should ask bank CEOs since they seem to do it a lot lately.I'm wondering how they do that, given that there's a two year limit on welfare?
True, there would be no welfare fraud if we didn't have welfare. That's pretty straightforward. Of course there would also be no safety not for people who are legitimately down on their luck and need assistance to get back on their feet. I think that a civilized society must put up with a degree of abuse in order to serve the truly needy. You don't throw a room full of people in jail because you know that one of them pinched a necklace.
I'm wondering how they do that, given that there's a two year limit on welfare?
Just saw on tv that the poverty level in 1965 was 14.3%. Today's poverty level is 14%. So, after trillions of dollars spent on entitlements, they don't help the poor get out of poverty. All they do is maintain the poor under the Democrat's wings during elections. Democrats don't care about u, they just use it as a gimmick for your vote.
What do you consider an entitlements. Some I may agree with (Welfare) but SS should be left alone. Its paid for mostly by the middle class and if you put in you should get out.
What do you consider an entitlements. Some I may agree with (Welfare) but SS should be left alone. Its paid for mostly by the middle class and if you put in you should get out.
SS Has unfunded liabilities of 66Trillion, how the **** are we gonna pay for that huh? Just hope that we figure it out? Some magical fix will keep it going? It's all ready running unfundable deficits. But oh no, we can't touch it!
GROW THE **** UP. SS is crashing, we HAVE TO fix it.
A "good libertarian" would never support the concept of social security and would probably suggest that we somehow phase out social security over a period of a generation or so.
Now I'm not a libertarian. I actually do believe that it is a reasonable duty of our government to provide as a service to our citizens, "old age insurance". That was origionally what social security was supposed to be. It was never intended to be a retirement plan, no one ever expected that most people would ever draw it, and it was expected that those who did manage to reach age 65 wouldn't draw it for every long.
But insurance is something that should cover an event that is statistically unlikey happen. Not something that is highly likely to happen, like reaching age 65. Insurance should be fairly inexpensive, it most certainly shouldnt cost 12% of our earnings.
Personally, if I were king, I would start transforming social security into old age insurance. Every four months I would advance the age of retirement by one month, while simultaniously decreasing the social security tax rate until there is no longer a social security tax (maybe a reduction of a quarter of a percent per year). In 10 years one couldn't retire til age 67 and a half, in twenty years it would be age 70, in thirty years it would be age 72.5, in fourty years it would be age 75, etc. This age advancement could probably last virtually forever because our lifespans are continualing lengthening.
I love how you don't complain about corporate well-fare. Especially when it was Wall Street and other corporations that helped ruin our economy. Oh, and as for the illegal immigrant issue I support the Dream Act.
You don't win. I've already shown that countries with stronger social-safety nets don't necessary have higher unemployment. That was the basis of the OP's claim. That is not true. Now this is an argument about Social-security which is supported by the pay roll tax and is solvent for the next 30 years or so.It would have taken far less typing to say "OK...this is where I admit you win...so...I'm going to spin everything else off in a completely different direction..."
You don't win. I've already shown that countries with stronger social-safety nets don't necessary have higher unemployment. That was the basis of the OP's claim. That is not true. Now this is an argument about Social-security which is supported by the pay roll tax and is solvent for the next 30 years or so.
Gee Bush is the one who bailed out the banks with his TARP program. I think he should have let them fail. I'm sorry if you ignore facts to suit your agenda. However, the fact remains that five countries that have a much stronger social-safety net than us have lower unemployment.You show an apple to dumptruck comparison, then spin off on some rant about corporate welfare. Take your whiny corporate welfare bull**** up w/ Obama and GE.
Hmm, so what should be do about the people who didn't EARN theirs, but just got it by virtue of having a rich daddy?
Yes and capitalism doesn't at all encourage greed or avarice does it?
thus the importance of the inheritance tax. We need one. A big one.
Time for Turtledude to tell me how jealous I am.
First of all you can't seriously try to claim that capitialism does not encourage greed or avarice. Your point about authoritarian collectivism is a bit a strawman since it distracts from the actual question which was does capitalism encourage greed or not.among the have nots probably. but it hasn't killed 100 Million people in the last 100 years like authoritarian collectivism has
First of all you can't seriously try to claim that capitialism does not encourage greed or avarice. Your point about authoritarian collectivism is a bit a strawman since it distracts from the actual question which was does capitalism encourage greed or not.
Oh puh-leeze! Give us a frigging break, Bolshevik. If you love communism that much, move to Cuba. Ther's a commie success story for ya.First of all what source are you getting your information from? Second of all what is the Republican plan to help the poor? Let' the vaunted "free market" help them. However let me say this entitlements aren't the answer. The system itself is broken and creates poverty. Capitalism will always create poverty. For the poor to be free capitalism must be abolished. The elites need as many poor people as possible. They want people who are desperate to work no mater the wages or conditions. We are in seeing the surplus army of labor Marx talked about.
Based on the fact that you think the democrats are in anyway Communists I'm sure you know nothing about Communism. Let me to educate you just a little. Cuba is Stalinst state, Trotsky hated Stalin and Stalinism and as my avatar shows I'm much closer to being a Trotskyst than a Stalinist.Oh puh-leeze! Give us a frigging break, Bolshevik. If you love communism that much, move to Cuba. Ther's a commie success story for ya.
We shouldn't give a room full of people free money just because one of them may be "down on their luck" either.
I just really can't think of a situation, aside from possibly medical problems or extended unemployement, that someone would be "down on their luck" to the point that they have a need to suck off of the taxpayer.
For about a year while I was attended college I literally lived in someones basement (no - not my parents, and I did pay rent). I literally ate bread and water and when I could afford it (like just after selling plasma) - beer. I eventually signed up for a military reserve unit, got back from training with a little cash in my pocket and a small monthly military paycheck and some additional montly money for going to college while being a member of a reserve unit. I got a nicer appartment, got my car fixed, got a job, and continued going to college. I started applying for jobs months before I finished college at age 22, I actually accepted a full time job as an assistant manager at McD's while still going to school. I spent a few years "working for the man", bought a house at age 23, and started my own business at age 25.
Now I have absolutely no special skill or gift. I can't spell (in case you havent noticed), I cant draw or paint or sing or dance or play music. I have a slight fear of heights and a humongus fear of public speaking (to the point of feeling like I am going to pass out). I don't have movie star good looks, I can't remember anything for more than 12 seconds, and I am clumsey. I've never inheriting anything and likely never will. Basically, I am pretty much a looser.
If a looser like me can aquire a middle class lifestyle, then anyone can. They just need to stop making excuses and do whatever it takes. Get an education, get a job (or two or three), save some cash, purchase transportation, and stop whining.
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