Democratic Sen. Alex Padilla is forcefully removed from Noem’s news conference and handcuffed

[j brown's body]

The timeline I posted shows you saying all she had to do was... is more BS:

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/democratic-sen-alex-padilla-is-forcefully-removed-from-noem’s-news-conference-and-handcuffed.571053/post-1081630795

You guys must be frustrated. Everyone knows yall use the same playbooks and they dont work anymore.

Since he was led in by FBI and Guard personnel, they obviously knew who he was, despite what a Federalist Society lawyer says.

 

[j brown's body]

I know. He sat in the back near some network's camera's until his temper overtook him and he decided to make a show of it.

So let's not continue with the lie that they did not know who he was.

 

[Along Came Jones]

How did I muddle it? This post seems to bear out that its quite clear.

Muddle. Muddle. Muddle.

I showed what you said and what I answered. Neither had anything to do with this specific incident.

 

[eohrnberger]

Sen Alex Padilla dragged out of Noem immigration briefing in LA

California senator Alex Padilla was pushed out of the news conference by authorities after he interrupted Noem.

www.bbc.com

Shrug. Arrested detained removed.. more than welcome to quibble with someone who cares


No he was put in handcuffs and pushed out.
Well reverse that. Pushed out and then handcuffed.
There was no walking out

Not exactly. But regardless he didnt act right

While we may quibble about the details, sure to be reported wrong and over blow by the Dem's MSM co-propagandist, at least we have the common ground that the Senator's behavior wasn't acceptable, that his planned political theater / political stunt wasn't successful and didn't produce the results he desired.

 

[j brown's body]

While we may quibble about the details, sure to be reported wrong and over blow by the Dem's MSM co-propagandist, at least we have the common ground that the Senator's behavior wasn't acceptable, that his planned political theater / political stunt wasn't successful and didn't produce the results he desired.

He wanted to ask her a question because her office refuses to respond to them when he requests them in writing.

 

[Along Came Jones]

So let's not continue with the lie that they did not know who he was.

I don't know whether the Secret Service/FBI agents knew who Padillo was or didn't know. And neither do you. Continue to call them liars. Does not change Padillo's disruptive behavior.

 

[j brown's body]

I don't know whether the Secret Service/FBI agents knew who Padillo was or didn't know. And neither do you. Continue to call them liars. Does not change Padillo's disruptive behavior.

If someone is led into to meeting by the FBI and the National Guard, its a pretty safe bet that he's not a terrorist or a criminal.

 

[Along Came Jones]

If someone is led into to meeting by the FBI and the National Guard, its a pretty safe bet that he's not a terrorist or a criminal.

The protective detail did not escort Padillo into the room. We have no idea whether they were part of a permanent detail or assigned locally. Nor do we know what if any information his escort conveyed to the detail about Padillo's senatorial rank. Except for what actually took place, the rest is speculation based, apparently, on political sympathies.

 

[Ahlevah]

The clip you posted doesn’t, in any way, support your ridiculous claim that Padilla violated “Disturbing the peace” and/or “obstruction” laws.

What happened to Al’s First Amendment right to heckle the president during a national speech? Didn’t happen, did it?

In fact, Padilla was released with no charges.

He was kicked out—just like Al.

The only thing he was guilty of was trying to ask a question of a government official giving a press briefing where other questions were being asked/answered.

He was a narcissistic jerk who thought he was the guest of honor.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Since he was led in by FBI and Guard personnel, they obviously knew who he was, despite what a Federalist Society lawyer says.

Thats an obvious lie but not surprising coming from you. He was a former federal prosecutor so its good he could point out the latest Democrat scam.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

An ass chewing from Trump? The guy that said take 'em outside, beat 'em up, and I'll pay your legal bills?

Noem is following a script. She's qualified to only read scripts. Unexpected circumstances confuse her. She stood there, continuing to talk, like everything was normal. Probably peeing her panties. Not in fear for her safety - she knows who Padilla is - but because she didn't know what to do.

I didn't say from Trump.
I also said "developing" because what I saw was very minimal, something something bla bla unnamed officials hinted it might have embarrassed Trump but nothing concrete yet.
I just woke up so I'll refresh and see if anything else cropped up.
I have no idea yet if it had legs.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

"You have Secretary Noem, who is charged with 250,000 agents around the country, and she cannot de-escalate a basic press conference. Instead, it has to go to the maximum where they have to handcuff a sitting senator. That actually goes to a broader issue: is she the right person for this job? Does she understand that right now? "

"I believe that there is someone from the White House that called her and said, 'You know what? You really messed up right now. You have to go now sit down and talk to the senator.'"

Maria Kumar, CEO of Voto Latino

White House likely told Noem she 'really messed up' over senator tackle: insider​

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Correct. But arresting politicians that break the law is ho the government works.

No Californian official is breaking the law. It’s not their responsibility to enforce immigration law. That’s the job of the federal government.

On the other hand, the Trump admin is going out of its way to find laws to break. The Trump admin is not doing things in a manner consistent with our laws, our traditions, and the Constitution

Why do you defend a system that protects illegal immigration, tax fraud, illegal hiring practices, etc?

I don’t like the system. I think if we need workers we should have an organized system to allow them to enter the country and work. We need to know who is entering our country so we need to have people enter and processed through official ports and entrances. From a pure national security perspective we need a strong border.

At the same time, I don’t view mutually beneficial economic transactions as bad things. If they’re willing to come here and work, and if companies here are willing to hire them, and everyone is happy with that, illegal immigration should not be treated as some horrific thing that demands such extreme measures. There is no invasion.

The truth is illegal immigrants from central and South America are just regular people who are trying to survive. And they’re also helpful, and generally decent people. They give more than they take, even as it relates to things like taxes. So it doesn’t make any sense to me to treat them horribly.

And I think if the government wants to deport people it should be sensible about, do things slowly, methodically, carefully, and to the degree it’s practically achievable, the government should go out of its way to be decent to them. They’re human beings. The government should not go out it’s way to be as cruel as possible, but that’s what people like Stephen Miller are going out of their way to do.

I don’t view illegal immigrants as enemies like Trump supporters do.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Why hasn't Padilla apologized?

For what? Senator Padilla didn’t wrestle Noem to the ground, drag her out of the room, cuff her for expressing disagreement, and then make public statements about engaging in a coup against the federal government.

And California isn’t breaking any laws. The federal government is breaking the law.

It’s the actions of the federal government and Noem that are unlawful, offensive, aggressive, and out of line.

 

[Along Came Jones]

No Californian official is breaking the law. It’s not their responsibility to enforce immigration law. That’s the job of the federal government.

On the other hand, the Trump admin is going out of its way to find laws to break. The Trump admin is not doing things in a manner consistent with our laws, our traditions, and the Constitution



I don’t like the system. I think if we need workers we should have an organized system to allow them to enter the country and work. We need to know who is entering our country so we need to have people enter and processed through official ports and entrances. From a pure national security perspective we need a strong border.

At the same time, I don’t view mutually beneficial economic transactions as bad things. If they’re willing to come here and work, and if companies here are willing to hire them, and everyone is happy with that, illegal immigration should not be treated as some horrific thing that demands such extreme measures. There is no invasion.

The truth is illegal immigrants from central and South America are just regular people who are trying to survive. And they’re also helpful, and generally decent people. They give more than they take, even as it relates to things like taxes. So it doesn’t make any sense to me to treat them horribly.

And I think if the government wants to deport people it should be sensible about, do things slowly, methodically, carefully, and to the degree it’s practically achievable, the government should go out of its way to be decent to them. They’re human beings. The government should not go out it’s way to be as cruel as possible, but that’s what people like Stephen Miller are going out of their way to do.

I don’t view illegal immigrants as enemies like Trump supporters do.

In your opinion, how ought Congress reform the immigration system to make all visa categories accessible, affordable and expeditiously processed for approval or denial?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

In your opinion, how ought Congress reform the immigration system to make all visa categories accessible, affordable and expeditiously processed for approval or denial?

I think we should have 10 million low skill or seasonal and temporary work visas. And all the other details are quite easy to fix: background checks, regular check-ins, known addresses, fees, etc. We also need to hire enough federal works to quickly process the workers.

The problem isn’t lack of prudent solutions. The problem is racist Trump supporters who do not want a single migrant from central or South America to enter our country. The problem is the hardline anti-immigrant types who want a hermetically sealed border.

All the other visa categories should have upper limits raised across the board. If an American company needs a high skilled worker, and can only find them in a foreign country, there should be no prohibition whatsoever.

The problem isn’t that we can’t figure out a good approach, the problem is the attitude of anti immigration extremists/hardliners who want no immigration at all.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Evidently Padillo didn't consider common decency when he disrupted the press conference. He certainly garnered the attention he sought without ever asking his "question."

And...?

 

[Along Came Jones]

I think we should have 10 million low skill or seasonal and temporary work visas. And all the other details are quite easy to fix: background checks, regular check-ins, known addresses, fees, etc. We also need to hire enough federal works to quickly process the workers.

The problem isn’t lack of prudent solutions. The problem is racist Trump supporters who do not want a single migrant from central or South America to enter our country. The problem is the hardline anti-immigrant types who want a hermetically sealed border.

All the other visa categories should have upper limits raised across the board. If an American company needs a high skilled worker, and can only find them in a foreign country, there should be no prohibition whatsoever.

The problem isn’t that we can’t figure out a good approach, the problem is the attitude of anti immigration extremists/hardliners who want no immigration at all.

Just a brief comment.

When the cost of goods and services arising from a shrinking labor supply hits home, as I believe it will, the hardliners' opposition will become vulnerable. Immigration reform may well become coequal political issues alongside the economy. And that may put pressure on Congress to produce genuine bipartisan reform.

Considering the nationwide protests largely focused on immigration, I wonder if a temporary "Immigration Reform" forum might interest members.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I never said he was.
I never indicated he was.
I never remotely suggested that he was.

You implied that Padilla was arrested.

She was giving a speech, not in charge of crowd management.

It was Noem’s event. Her responsibility.

I honestly have no idea how anybody could blame a speaker for LEO's removing a disruptive person.

Noem was aware of what was happening, including that Padilla identified himself, and did nothing.

What should she have done, in the middle of her speech, to help stop Padilla from being a disruptive ass, your term.???

Already posted.

Had Noem instructed her security detail to immediately release Padilla, before being removed from the room, and asked him to be courteous and wait until she finished speaking and opened the floor to questions (like some politicians have done), she would have come away looking like the adult, but she didn’t.

 

[Hello My Son]

Those duly elected people rule.

Cool.

 

[Michael Cole]

Cool.

Yes, your posts are always "cool" contradicting themselves. Just thought I'd point it out.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I'm just here to watch people support Nazi shitbags.

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[LostInSeattle]

I think the polling is showing that people are not happy with how he's going about the deportations, or even whether deportations are the correct/best solution to the issue.

 

[LostInSeattle]

Heckling?