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Democrat socialists stuck between the rock and the hard place

marke said:
Why? Is his opinion superior to opinions of others?
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I just asked if you've ever heard or read anything he's ever said.
Either you have or you haven't, but then again based on the fact that you sound like a broken record, continuously repeating the same worn out mantra that "[Democrats only] support socialism", I imagine you are unable to focus on anything that might prove otherwise.

And as for "opposition to Trump", I realize that in your mind, Democrats should rally around Donald Trump, but a rational human being would ask how that would be possible, seeing as we have TWO political parties, not ONE.
Did you oppose Obama? Yes, of course you did.

For the record, however, Brown actually supported Trump's tariffs on China, but as "a temporary measure, not as a trade war" and he opposed tariffs on our allies in Europe. So like I said, it is not simple "generic opposition for the sake of opposition".
There is a reason why different political parties have different ideas.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Moscow in the late 80's, although about 80% of my time was holed up in a couple of offices at Ostankino.
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I was in Warsaw and Krakow in the late 80's, covering a guy by the name of Lech Walensa as defiance of the Soviets grew. Vancouver had been a jumping off place for guys in the Polish fishing fleet and our station led the pack as we had a Polish speaking anchor woman.

I love the Poles, never quit, never surrender, resist, resist, resist!

Enough bitching,just bring down the walls and burn what's still standing. maybe you'll get their attention.
 
Fledermaus said:
Wannabe Socialists and Communists are just as sadly mistaken about how the world works.

In other words, you can teach them but you can't learn them.
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Well there is a difference between Dem Socialist, social Dem, Socialist & Communists. Just like Libertarian Left, Right, & Libertarian. Then there are mixed economy's, which you could include the US in as well.
 
Praxas said:
Who cares? Why do Americans need to pick a side for Venezuela?
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Cortez loves socialism. She should love Venezuela and their one million percent inflation. She wants to bring it to the US.
 
Moderate Right said:
Cortez loves socialism. She should love Venezuela and their one million percent inflation. She wants to bring it to the US.
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And as usual you just show your ignorance. No one is calling for pure socialism in the US including Cortez. You really give cons a bad name with such ignorant and stupid comments.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Except she's defending Maduro and her political movement has supported Chavez in the past. It's not that absurd at all. Bernie Sanders went to Venezuela during Chavez and said "the american dream is alive in Venezuela".
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He never said that.....

Don't you guys have enough legitimate things to criticize about Sanders? Why does it seem like every right wing meme is based on a total lie?
 
JasperL said:
He never said that.....

Don't you guys have enough legitimate things to criticize about Sanders? Why does it seem like every right wing meme is based on a total lie?
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Your source does not disprove what I said, in fact it only proves it more, Sanders was willing to Condone Venezuela in 2011 and Condemned it only after it was no longer deniable it went south, just like any Chicago School economist knew it would


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Checkerboard Strangler said:
I'll wait while you pull up something that shows AOC "defending Maduro" because so far all I see is AOC saying that the Trump administration interfering in the process is wrong. Maybe you need to start looking outside The Daily Caller, or not...
...after all, why would I expect YOU, of all people, to support ANYBODY elected using the democratic process at all?
EMNofSeattle, you're on record as HATING democracy altogether.



Bernie Sanders:



He made that statement in 2011, when the United States was still reeling from the effects of the 2008 meltdown, and income inequality was skyrocketing while middle class and working class homeowners were still upside down on a lot of mortgages.
I fail to see how there is much to complain about with that statement as it was made at the time.

Care to pull up any recent statements by Bernie regarding Venezuela? Naaah, didn't think so.
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Just FWIW, and I'm not sure if it's been linked already, but he posted an editorial on his website, talking about the problems in the U.S. on inequality, etc. and that quote was in an editorial written by a newspaper. Sanders never said it...

https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/sanders-venezuela-meme/
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Your source does not disprove what I said, in fact it only proves it more, Sanders was willing to Condone Venezuela in 2011 and Condemned it only after it was no longer deniable it went south, just like any Chicago School economist knew it would
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You repeated a lie about Sanders. Now you want to amend the lie and say he "condoned" Venezuela, which is a new lie.

How about you stick to what he has "condoned" or endorsed, there's plenty of material there if you're interested in being honest, and he's never endorsed Venezuela or Chavez as a model for anything.

BTW, don't insult me with that kind of BS gaslighting. If you read the article, the one thing you cannot say with any shred of honesty is that the article "proves it more." It's either ignorant, because you didn't read the article, or another lie.
 
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Praxas said:
Who cares? Why do Americans need to pick a side for Venezuela?
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America needs to consider all foreign policy implications and come down on one side or the other. "We don't care" is an option for individual citizens but not for the US.
 
ryzorsden said:
LOL you're gunna argue against privatization based on Robocop..... I've heard it all now....

Look at Yelp. It made restaurants and businesses WAY more accountable. In fact, I'd argue that private businesses these days with the internet and smartphones are much more accountable than government itself.

ANd just to let you know, NYPD had/has a quota controversy in order to generate revenue. And we both know that police tend to try and nail everyone just to make quotas..... So that point is moot.

Nice try.
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You'd be granting a private, for profit business with a monopoly to use deadly force, arrest you, interrogate you, jail you. Whatever you think of that idea, you simply cannot compare that to Yelp and many other competing review sites and services like Google, local restaurant review services, etc. make the hundreds or thousands of competing restaurants in an area more 'accountable.' It's an apples and dump trucks comparison.
 
Mycroft said:
If they illegally cross the border to seek asylum, they are still illegally crossing the border.

btw, you ARE aware that Trump has given millions to the other "oppressed" nations in Central America as well as to Mexico, right?
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If they're seeking asylum, they're not crossing illegally. It's really simple - seeking asylum is a legal act. If they are accepted, or denied, there is nothing to charge them with, because no crime occurred. It's amazing how the right wing wants to criminalize the act of seeking shelter, protection, safe harbor. Not all will be honest efforts, but that doesn't diminish the act in any way by those legitimately seeking protection in this country fully allowed by the laws in this country. It's pretty disgusting in my view.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
“Non Democratic means of selecting a leader” translation: she doesn’t want the socialists gone because she supports them. A dictatorship where people have food and security is morally superior to a “democracy” like Venezuela’s

We don’t need to fling ourselves at the altar of democracy, there is no moral requirement a government be one
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Interesting how you created the false choices necessary to justify a dictatorship. :roll:
 
JasperL said:
Interesting how you created the false choices necessary to justify a dictatorship. :roll:
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Interesting how you didn’t make an argument


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EMNofSeattle said:
Interesting how you didn’t make an argument
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An argument against what? Presenting a false choice isn't an argument. Of it's intended as an argument, pretty stupid - I'll show you:

A democracy where people have food and security is morally superior to a murderous dictatorship! Democracy for the WIN! Prove me wrong!
 
JasperL said:
An argument against what? Presenting a false choice isn't an argument. Of it's intended as an argument, pretty stupid - I'll show you:

A democracy where people have food and security is morally superior to a murderous dictatorship! Democracy for the WIN! Prove me wrong!
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Again, you present no rational argument


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