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Democrat socialists stuck between the rock and the hard place

Fenton said:
Have you read her New Green Deal ?
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I can tell that you are spewing lies because you sure haven't.
I, on the other hand, having been involved in producing alternative energy videos and climate change materials for the past thirty some years, have been aware of every phase of "green new deal" ideas since the 1980's, from the very beginning till right now.

I began working with Emmy Award winner Nancy Pearlman* in 1984, on EcoNews, which back then was "the nation's only regularly scheduled weekly environmental news program". Back then, Emmy's for cable shows were called "Cable Ace Awards" but Nancy was one of the first winners.

Original EcoNews one sheet

So tell me, tell me all about how much you actually KNOW about the "Green New Deal", that didn't come from the mouth of a pundit.

*I have not had the pleasure of working with Ms. Pearlman recently, my last project with her was in 1993.
 
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Medicare for all is the Nationalization of our Healthcare system which is part of her New Green Deal. If it's anything like Sanders plan it's a complete Govt take over of our healthcare industry which includes forcing Doctors and other Healthcare professionals to accept wages and compensation dictated by Medicare.( govt.)

The "public banks " that provide the " low interest loans " and grants that are supposed to pay for all the mandated energy's efficient upgrades on ALL Residential band Commercial properties are actually State run Banks

She wants to force US Auto manufacturers to build zero emission vehicles only, and then force Americans to buy those POS cars.
So the Govt dictates Production but the factory is privately owned. Doesn't matter because manufacturers will either go bankrupt or move operations overseas. Also when you're unemployed you don't really need a car.

83% of US power plants rely on fossil fuels to generate electrity. Those will be shut down within a decade and be replaced with renewable energy sources.... Lol !! That's not event technically possible.

And her basic income guarantee for the millions that will lose their jobs is her way of saying, " were sorry we made you lose your job and everything else you own. Here's 12000 dollars a year "

I read there was a lot of support for this ? Did Trumps win over Hillary force Democrat IQs to drop 50 points ?
 
marke said:
One can only hope socialists like Ocasio can learn something from the collapse of Venezuela due to socialist foolishness.
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That is her agenda, and Bernie's too. Their agenda if ever implemented would be catastrophic. The US economy would collapse and our military would be gutted.

Someone did the numbers and her jobs guarantee and Bernie's Medicare for all plan would cost 7.6 trillion dollars a year
Total spending in 2018 was just over 4 trillion. It's about a 175% increase in annual spending which means tax increases of 175%

She knows her New Green Deal will cause massive jobs losses she added a jobs guarantee that pays 12000 dollars a year for each person

83% of our electricity comes from fossil fuels. She wants those power plants shut down and replaced with renewable energy sources and wants it done within 10 years

It's not even technically possible.

This will happen while our global adversaries continue to grow their economies and militaries by continuing to rely on fossil fuels.

Sanders and Occasio are Socialist, anti-American.
If the US invited China, Russia, North Korea or Iran to come up with a energy policy for the US, it would probably look a lot like her New Green Deal.
 

Finally a point I can agree with you. People are way too nearsighted in this global world. If the united states just lets russia move on into venezuela and do nothing. I would bet my arms and legs Putin wouldn't stop there. He would do his best to extend an iron curtain around as many south american countries he could and cause unrest in as many as he could. Although I disagree with you on one point, trump's advisors know we must stay involved. Trump really is not all that smart when it comes to governing and world affairs.
 
Praxas said:
There are no sides in Venezuela that aren't a threat to the US in some way. Again, you just like Trump interfering because you are a Trump supporter so nothing that Trump does you disagree with.
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You accuse me and Trump of wrongdoing and yet you have no support form leftist friends or politicians, like AOC, who don't know what to think.
 

Nonsense. AOC has expressed no opinion at all, likely because she is conflicted by the fact that socialist idealism like hers brought the nation of Venezuela to the brink of this disaster in the first place.


Maybe you are right and idealogues in Venezuela carried their socialist agenda too far and brought down the house of Venezuela because of it. For myself I see no reason to change traditional American government in the slightest with risky social experiments like those tried in Venezuela. Leave America alone, socialist idealogues. America was not broken before you came to try to 'fix' it.
 
kjwins said:
We should lift the sanctions (which are an act of war) & stay the hell out of the country. Let those people decide what government they want.

Also 80% of business in VZ is privately owed. So its not as socialists as you may think.
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Opinions are valuable. They can be thrown into the mix of opinions our leaders deal with in order to make wise decisions, even if our leaders cannot specifically follow every different opinion no matter how many people may or may not subscribe to that opinion.
 
Phys251 said:
Wait, has AOC become President? No? OK then, carry on.
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She is too young to run for president. Thank God. We can see by her ignorance and/or inability to properly assess foreign affairs and devise solutions to the many problems why our forefathers established a requirement for candidates to be much older before running for president.
 
Praxas said:
Who cares? Why do Americans need to pick a side for Venezuela?
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You're right. Why should Americans give a **** about innocent people having to get their next meal out of a garbage can because their own government screwed up their country?
 

All I suggested was that baby socialists in America could learn a thing or two from what adult socialists have done to damage Venezuela with socialist idealism.


 
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As always, I support the man that the Venezuelan people support. That seems to be Trump's man at the moment, but apparently the Venezuelan military has yet to be convinced.

It amazes me how many conservatives on forums like this one don't understand the vast difference between the so-called socialism of Maduro and the type of Democratic Socialism that many leftists support. Compare Venezuela with Norway, Denmark, and other western democracies. Learn the difference.
 

Nice, did you write that?


But are our leaders wise enough or care enough to allow the court of public opinion be heard?
 
bongsaway said:
Neither side, another corrupt government screwing its people.
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And one that many democrats including Bernie Sanders have cited as a model back when things were good. The left in the United States has done this for decades, they praised Fidel Castro, in the 20s leftist artists were travelling to the USSR and the New York times won a pulitzer prize for denying the famine in Ukraine, and they're never held to task for this.
 
Praxas said:
Who cares? Why do Americans need to pick a side for Venezuela?
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Because, oil. And Putin is trying to use the situation to gain a toehold on our continent.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Start worrying about America and stop trying to distract with bull****.

You can't say much about a foreign country when you can't even run your own.
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Well considering the US is not a failed state where people eat dogs and zoo animals to survive and we don't have a pro-communist prime minister unlike certain countries to the north of us, I think we're running our own just fine.
 

Except no American leftists actually support those systems. To be like Norway the US would have to immediately open up all offshore oil fields to drilling and forests to logging, and all of the Nordic countries impose incredibly low taxes on businesses and the state of regulation is low, until the Trump tax cuts business taxes in the US were far higher and the dems want to reverse those cuts.

The Nordic countries work by taxing individuals at insanely high rates and providing massive social welfare programs, but frankly I would rather keep my own income and save for my own retirement and buy my own insurance and I think it's perfectly acceptable that other people who don't manage their money well end up sh!t creek without a paddle.
 

Except she's defending Maduro and her political movement has supported Chavez in the past. It's not that absurd at all. Bernie Sanders went to Venezuela during Chavez and said "the american dream is alive in Venezuela".
 

On that, I agree with you. Putin would love to gain a toehold on this continent.
 

She is young. She is pretty. She has so little wisdom and understanding.


 
marke said:
One can only hope socialists like Ocasio can learn something from the collapse of Venezuela due to socialist foolishness.
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Corruption is the problem. Pure socialism, on a large scale, is also difficult to work effectively, if at all.

Democratic socialism, in many european countries, works quite well.
America just need a little more socialism, in her capitalism.
 

I compare other national governments with America as originally established and improved over nearly 200 years. We don't need the modern socialist improvements a handful of wierdos now think should be made.
 
kjwins said:
Nice, did you write that?

But are our leaders wise enough or care enough to allow the court of public opinion be heard?
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The "court of public opinion" is misleading. It should more properly be said to be the "court of varying public opinions."
 
Idiometer said:
On that, I agree with you. Putin would love to gain a toehold on this continent.
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I think we can all agree Trump will not be letting Putin gain that hold in Venezuela.
 
Cramer said:
Corruption is the problem. Pure socialism, on a large scale, is also difficult to work effectively, if at all.

Democratic socialism, in many european countries, works quite well.
America just need a little more socialism, in her capitalism.
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America is not broken and democrat socialists or communists do not need to try to 'fix' anything.
 
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