The mother of a friend of mine in Germany is waiting for treatment to extend her life and improve her suffering. It is being reviewed by the local authorities. It is the type of treatment that has life influencing consequences.
She is in her early 80's and has no recourse if they wave at her with their middle fingers. This from a faithful tax payer who surely expected more.
This is what awaits America and ObamaKare. The Death Panel. Palin was spot on... for Obama and the Obama Panels will be the decider. And this is just the beginning folks.
Hope you don't need to go begging to government because when they say go feck yerself... youz be feckt.
Life-INFLUENCING consequences? What could possibly fit inside that sort of a catch-all?The mother of a friend of mine in Germany is waiting for treatment to extend her life and improve her suffering. It is being reviewed by the local authorities. It is the type of treatment that has life influencing consequences.
Life-INFLUENCING consequences? What could possibly fit inside that sort of a catch-all?
There are by the way no local authorities to whom one must apply to obtain health care in Germany.
I was always under the impression that you conservative folks didn't want euthanasia to begin with--is there something wrong? :shrug:The mother of a friend of mine in Germany is waiting for treatment to extend her life and improve her suffering. It is being reviewed by the local authorities. It is the type of treatment that has life influencing consequences.
She is in her early 80's and has no recourse if they wave at her with their middle fingers. This from a faithful tax payer who surely expected more.
This is what awaits America and ObamaKare. The Death Panel. Palin was spot on... for Obama and the Obama Panels will be the decider. And this is just the beginning folks.
Hope you don't need to go begging to government because when they say go feck yerself... youz be feckt.
The mother of a friend of mine in Germany is waiting for treatment to extend her life and improve her suffering. It is being reviewed by the local authorities. It is the type of treatment that has life influencing consequences.
She is in her early 80's and has no recourse if they wave at her with their middle fingers. This from a faithful tax payer who surely expected more.
This is what awaits America and ObamaKare. The Death Panel. Palin was spot on... for Obama and the Obama Panels will be the decider. And this is just the beginning folks.
Hope you don't need to go begging to government because when they say go feck yerself... youz be feckt.
Life-INFLUENCING consequences? What could possibly fit inside that sort of a catch-all?
There are by the way no local authorities to whom one must apply to obtain health care in Germany.
I am not sure why everyone makes such a fuss about death panels. We essentially have what your calling death panels now even with private insurance. Most insurance plans have caps or treatments they simply will not cover. I am actually unaware of any plan that will cover absolutely anything (such as experimental treatments). While there may be some that do those are probably not what your average american has. Besides I feel there is a point where that unless a person can pay for it themselves they should not be covered. If for example a person has a terminal illness and are on there last days or weeks of life with no hope of change we shouldn't be spending hundreds of thousands or millions on treatments that have next to null chance of helping unless they pay for it themselves. We should instead treat symptoms as best we can and leave them to except that life is almost over.
I know this is complicated for you, but...The United States is not Germany. They are really not much alike.
Interview: Prof. Dr. Jörg-Dietrich Hoppe
The German Health-Care System: ‘Make the Secret Rationing Public!’
Zepp-LaRouche: In your view, how can the health-care system be reformed, so as to return to the Solidarity principle of Bismarck’s original social security?
Hoppe: I believe we will retain a system financed by fees, which, how-ever will increasingly be funded by tax revenues, so that also the portion of the German population that has private health insurance will be helping to finance the
statutory health insurance.
Zepp-LaRouche: There is enormous anger in the population about the collapse of health care. And many people fear for their lives, if they can no longer obtain the best medical care. In Holland, some of the elderly and sick are being killed without their consent, if they are over a certain age.
Zepp-LaRouche: Don’t you mean that if non-medi-cal managers ultimately decide what the doctors in these
medical centers do...?
Hoppe: Yes, it certainly does. And that is just what we are complaining about, which the others are denying; but de facto, it is the case.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...chepub.com/eiw/public/2009/.../33-37_3622.pdf
We are on the way towards the Socialist system with ObamaKare.
There is tons of evidence supporting what I claimed (see below for the tip of crap mountain)... and for my friend and his family... they await the reply from The Panel.
Government programs and control of such massive systems fail miserably.
"RATIONING"... means someone must decide who gets what. It means healthcare in this grand Socialist Duchy isn't a "right".
Google "german rationed health care" and then you naysayers get back to me about what I purportedly made up.
I'll keep you abreast as to whether my friend's family's begging for medical care was successful.
The US has a partially socialist healthcare system already. The current changes are changes (albeit significant ones), not an entirely new system. A system being socialist doesn't automatically make it bad.We are on the way towards the Socialist system with ObamaKare.
Every healthcare system in the world has some form of "rationing", including the US. It's impossible to avoid since the demand is so much higher than the resources we're willing and able to commit. I do think that on general principal, such decisions should be made on the basis of medical need rather than who has the most money."RATIONING"... means someone must decide who gets what. It means healthcare in this grand Socialist Duchy isn't a "right".
It's a rather meaningless example without much more detail. More detail that you should really be putting on a public forum about someone else's personal circumstances to be honest but at least you could identify the "authorities" you say they're having issues with since, like others here, your interpretation of the situation doesn't fit my understanding of the German healthcare process.I'll keep you abreast as to whether my friend's family's begging for medical care was successful.
Not only are death panels coming, but some here are championing them. Just a lovely country!
LOL! The freaking article is from the so-called Executive Intelligence Review, a mouthpiece rag of the certified whacko Lyndon LaRouche. Zimmer owes people an apology.
Currently in the USA such decisions are made by insurance companies whose prime interest is in increased profits. If and when such decisions need to be made, insurance companies are the last ones who should decide.
Perhaps some decisions are made by insurance companies, but the majority are made by doctors. Insurance conpanies, unlike the bottomless pit which is Medicare, are supposed to make money. It's the only way they can operate. Trying to make them into villains will only work with stupid people. Smart people realize that giving a 105-year-old man a liver transplant may not make sense.
Which still leaves the so-called death panel in the hands of private, for-profit businesses instead of the government.
And really, more decisions are made by the insurance company than you think. Especially when it comes to major procedures. Virtually any transplant, major surgery, or long-term cancer treatment needs to be pre-approved by the insurance company. (and they sometimes deny the claim afterwards anyway)
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