Fledermaus
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How so?
That you ask that question shows you have a marvelous misunderstanding of science.
How so?
That you can't answer shows you also have a marvelous lack of knowledge of science.That you ask that question shows you have a marvelous misunderstanding of science.
That you can't answer shows you also have a marvelous lack of knowledge of science.
Who's words? Fauci's?His words have proven him a non scientific thinker.
That you don't comprehend that is *special*.
It its not understood at all. Gee.. how do they prolong a patients life. Oh yeah.. because the DO understand how cancer comes to be, how it grows, why it grows and how to control it. THATS WHY MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS WORK.They can prolong a cancer patient's life, they cannot cure cancer. They don't understand how and why it starts and they cannot prevent it from starting. Whatever goes wrong with the complex system of living cells that can result in cancer is not understood
WHAT? But physicians don;t understand that right? Crap on a cracker.Sure you can give example after example of cancer patients having their life extended. Very often surgery stops cancer if diagnosed before it spreads.
Curing all cancer? No.But ask any cancer researcher if a cure for cancer has been found, and if they are honest they will say no.
Who's words? Fauci's?
Can't be Trump, as you do not speak Trumpian like I doCovefefe?
The vaccines are well understood. Their mechanism of action is not harmful, and there is no mechanism by which they can cause long term health effects.They are NOT well understood. Most of what RNA and DNA does in cells is NOT understood.
The vaccines are well understood. Their mechanism of action is not harmful, and there is no mechanism by which they can cause long term health effects.
You are the one who keeps repeating the unwarranted assumption that no one understands how the vaccines work. This is simply untrue.Just mindlessly repeat the drug industry propaganda. It's easier than thinking.
Look in a mirror.Just mindlessly repeat the drug industry propaganda. It's easier than thinking.
Just mindlessly repeat the drug industry propaganda. It's easier than thinking.
You are the one who keeps repeating the unwarranted assumption that no one understands how the vaccines work. This is simply untrue.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mRNA.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/viralvector.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/proteinsubunit.html
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...erent-types-of-covid-19-vaccines/art-20506465
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...eases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe
https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-i...hings-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccine-safety
Two things that all conspiracy theorists seem to have in common: Trust issues and a susceptibility to the Dunning Kreuger effect. They believe that other humans are inherently less intelligent and/or more malicious than they are, and large groups of them are all in on a conspiracy to hide the truth from them to advance an evil agenda.
The reality is: People who devote their lives to the study of a thing know more than you do about it, and their desire to protect their children and their fellow human beings is no weaker than yours.
This is textbook conspiratorial thinking. Only you and the few people who agree with you are good. Everyone else is evil with an evil agenda.Everything you are saying is what the propagandists want you to say. Dunning-Kruger -- all purpose dismissal of anyone who is skeptical for any reason of any expert.
Blind faith in medical experts, who in turn have blind faith in the corrupt drug industry.
If you can't follow English I can't help you.If only you could state your point, in clear words, I'll be happy to address it again. Whatever it takes to help you see my position.
Temporary illiteracy?
You say the oddest things.
(And what is 'this'?)
Not interestedI'm pretty sure it doesn't exist, except within the minds of rightwing religious devotees.
But I'd be happy to examine any you'd like to point at.
We can't know the long-term effects because the experiment just started 2 years ago.We do know if there are long term risks. There are not. There is no mechanism by which the vaccine can hurt you years later.
This notion that the vaccines are mysterious black boxes and no one knows how they function is nothing but fanning the flames of ignorance. The vaccines are well understood. They cannot cause long term side effects.
That's like saying we can't know if praying to Godzilla will have long term effects because I only started doing it 2 years ago. While this is technically a correct statement, there is no mechanism by which praying to Godzilla can have long term effects. We "know" that it won't have long term effects because we understand that Godzilla is a fictional character in a movie, and that praying to a fictional character cannot alter the real world. There is no mechanism by which praying to Godzilla can have long term effects.We can't know the long-term effects because the experiment just started 2 years ago.
This isn't a vaccine. People attempted to change the meaning of the word vaccine so that they could include this in it.
This still isn't a vaccine.That's like saying we can't know if praying to Godzilla will have long term effects because I only started doing it 2 years ago. While this is technically a correct statement, there is no mechanism by which praying to Godzilla can have long term effects. We "know" that it won't have long term effects because we understand that Godzilla is a fictional character in a movie, and that praying to a fictional character cannot alter the real world. There is no mechanism by which praying to Godzilla can have long term effects.
Similarly, we understand the mechanism by which these vaccines work. There is no mechanism by which any of them can have dangerous long term side effects. You are just assuming that putting something in your system might hurt you down the road because you think it "sounds plausible," and you are irrationally ignoring the experts who actually know how it works. Further, you are assuming that every one of those experts are irresponsible idiots who are monstrously putting the entire world at risk, and that you as a layman know more about a subject they all devoted their entire lives to studying than they know about it.
This is delusion.
It is. A vaccine is any preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases.This still isn't a vaccine.
Sheep gonna sheep.It is. A vaccine is any preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases.
This is textbook conspiratorial thinking. Only you and the few people who agree with you are good. Everyone else is evil with an evil agenda.
This is not rational thinking.
Anti-vax is a conspiracy: "Greed" would be the evil part. (It is evil to put most of the world at risk for long term side effects in order to make money.) "Ignorance" would be the Dunning Kreuger part. (The people who actually made the vaccine and tested it, and the consensus of medical professionals who have access to their work know less about it and less about how the human body works than you and a miniscule handful of anti-vax conspiracy theorists do.)I have never believed in any conspiracy theory. I don't think there were evil motives in how the pandemic has been handled. Just a mixture of panic and greed and ignorance.
Anti-vax is a conspiracy: "Greed" would be the evil part. (It is evil to put most of the world at risk for long term side effects in order to make money.) "Ignorance" would be the Dunning Kreuger part. (The people who actually made the vaccine and tested it, and the consensus of medical professionals who have access to their work know less about it and less about how the human body works than you and a miniscule handful of anti-vax conspiracy theorists do.)
There are not many knowledgeable experts who criticize the vaccines. This is a myth. Statistically there are hardly any. Less than 0.1% of experts criticize the vaccines. But because the number of knowledgeable experts who verify and extoll the safety of the vaccines is so high, it is not difficult to collect that less than 0.1% of experts together, (on a social media page, for instance,) and make it appear as though "many" of experts disagree with the vast, vast majority consensus. "Many" is a relative term, and you are taking it out of context.There are many knowledgable experts who criticize these vaccines.
And it is well known that the big drug companies are overly powerful and engage in corruption. You worship experts, as if they were above all human fallibility.