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COVID Vaccinated Continue to Report Bizarre, Horrific Debilitations a Year Later

Good4Nothin said:
There are many knowledgable experts who criticize these vaccines.

And it is well known that the big drug companies are overly powerful and engage in corruption. You worship experts, as if they were above all human fallibility.
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Let's see the knowledgeable experts studies.
 
lwf said:
Similarly, we understand the mechanism by which these vaccines work. There is no mechanism by which any of them can have dangerous long term side effects. You are just assuming that putting something in your system might hurt you down the road because you think it "sounds plausible," and you are irrationally ignoring the experts who actually know how it works. Further, you are assuming that every one of those experts are irresponsible idiots who are monstrously putting the entire world at risk, and that you as a layman know more about a subject they all devoted their entire lives to studying than they know about it.

This is delusion.
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Everyone is welcome to his delusions. I just wish they'd stop trying to spread them.
 
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Good4Nothin said:
There is a vaccine that supposedly prevents a virus that causes one kind of cancer. Therefore, yay, a cure for all cancer has been found! The world has waited so long for this!
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Yes, the world has waited a long time for an effective HPV vaccine, and millions of women have been made much safer from developing cervical cancer as a result. I don't understand why you adopt such a cavalier attitude about a life-saving vaccine. As medical science advances more cancer-preventing vaccines will be developed.
During my career I probably screened more Pap smears than you had hot dinners. Cervical cell abnormalities can rapidly develop into cancer if not spotted at an early CIN stage and excised, and if it becomes invasive into the body cavity it becomes terminal.
I encountered several very young women who missed a couple of their test appointments with, sadly, fatal results.
 
lwf said:
There are not many knowledgeable experts who criticize the vaccines. This is a myth. Statistically there are hardly any. Less than 0.1% of experts criticize the vaccines. But because the number of knowledgeable experts who verify and extoll the safety of the vaccines is so high, it is not difficult to collect that less than 0.1% of experts together, (on a social media page, for instance,) and make it appear as though "many" of experts disagree with the vast, vast majority consensus. "Many" is a relative term, and you are taking it out of context.

And individual experts are not above fallibility. That's why scientific consensus exists. It is highly likely for one expert to make a mistake. It is slightly less likely for a handful of experts to make a mistake (as the ones you worship have done.) It is highly unlikely to the point of statistical insignificance that the vast majority of experts who have come to the same consensus have all made the same mistake. It is even more unlikely that you and a handful of people you agree with can see this mistake when everyone else cannot.

You are making the common error of focusing on the fly paper and assuming your house is covered in flies. Your social media algorithms are not feeding you accurate facts. They are feeding you what you tend to spend the most time reading. When those articles that are fed to you all support your supposition, you interpret them as validation of your supposition, when in fact it is a form of confirmation bias.
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Experts who criticize the vaccines are censored and ostracized. So most experts are afraid to not go along with the "consensus."

You really have not noticed that criticizing the vaccines is considered "dangerous disinformation?"
 
snakestretcher said:
Yes, the world has waited a long time for an effective HPV vaccine, and millions of women have been made much safer from developing cervical cancer as a result. I don't understand why you adopt such a cavalier attitude about a life-saving vaccine. As medical science advances more cancer-preventing vaccines will be developed.
During my career I probably screened more Pap smears than you had hot dinners. Cervical cell abnormalities can rapidly develop into cancer if not spotted at an early CIN stage and excised, and if it becomes invasive into the body cavity it becomes terminal.
I encountered several very young women who missed a couple of their test appointments with, sadly, fatal results.
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So that means all cancer has been cured.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Experts who criticize the vaccines are censored and ostracized. So most experts are afraid to not go along with the "consensus."

You really have not noticed that criticizing the vaccines is consiidered "dangerous disinformation?"
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Hmm. So you actually believe that all the independent researchers that are studying the vaccine safety..
And all the medical personnel that are giving these vaccines and following their patients..
Are committing a grand conspiracy to keep you from the truth?
Because that is what would have to happen for your premise to be true.
 
jaeger19 said:
Hmm. So you actually believe that all the independent researchers that are studying the vaccine safety..
And all the medical personnel that are giving these vaccines and following their patients..
Are committing a grand conspiracy to keep you from the truth?
Because that is what would have to happen for your premise to be true.
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No they are not committing any conspiracy. The trust the drug advertisements.

And the mRNA vaccines can lessen symptoms by suppressing the immune system. So you have the illusion of efficacy. And not everyone gets bad side effects, so you trust the safety. And some side effects may not show up for years.
 
jaeger19 said:
Hmm. So you actually believe that all the independent researchers that are studying the vaccine safety..
And all the medical personnel that are giving these vaccines and following their patients..
Are committing a grand conspiracy to keep you from the truth?
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Reminds me of the creationists. They argued the same, that criticizing evolutionary theory was too dangerous for scientists, and so the world was full of scientists who knew that it was all a scam but couldn't say so.

We told them that any scientist who could refute evolution would get a Nobel Prize... and so their arguments, as usual, were bunk.
 
Good4Nothin said:
And the mRNA vaccines can lessen symptoms by suppressing the immune system. So you have the illusion of efficacy. And not everyone gets bad side effects, so you trust the safety. And some side effects may not show up for years.
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Have you informed the scientific community of your findings?

What about all the already-documented side effects of getting Covid?
 
Good4Nothin said:
No they are not committing any conspiracy. The trust the drug advertisements.

And the mRNA vaccines can lessen symptoms by suppressing the immune system. So you have the illusion of efficacy. And not everyone gets bad side effects, so you trust the safety. And some side effects may not show up for years.
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OFFS
 
Good4Nothin said:
Experts who criticize the vaccines are censored and ostracized. So most experts are afraid to not go along with the "consensus."

You really have not noticed that criticizing the vaccines is considered "dangerous disinformation?"
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The government is not censoring them. They have the right to free speech. They aren't, however, entitled to an audience. Privately owned social media platforms also have the freedom of speech, and they sometimes use this freedom to censor people who spread dangerous misinformation on their platforms because spreading false information about live saving healthcare IS dangerous and irresponsible. COVID-19 has killed more than 6.5 million people and counting. Spreading lies about the danger of a vaccine that saves lives is the height of irresponsibility, even when it is done through ignorance.

These people should have the freedom to spread their lies without being subject to legal repercussions. But other people should also have the freedom to pass judgment on these people, and to refuse to allow these people to use their platforms if they deem their lies are dangerous. This is how freedom of speech works.
 
Good4Nothin said:
No they are not committing any conspiracy. The trust the drug advertisements.

And the mRNA vaccines can lessen symptoms by suppressing the immune system. So you have the illusion of efficacy. And not everyone gets bad side effects, so you trust the safety. And some side effects may not show up for years.
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Wait.. Please explain in detail
The INDEPENDENT RESEARCHERS.. that have researched the effects of the vaccine and the side effects... "trust the drug advertisements".
WTF are you saying? They would literally have to ignore their own research findings, data, and subjects. Thats a conspiracy.

I and all the other providers.. who have patients.. including ourselves getting this vaccine... would HAVE TO IGNORE..the mountain of side effects, dangerous conditions that happen to our clients that we continue to treat!!!..
how do I "just trust the drug advertisement"? When I will be treating that patient for potential side effects that you are alluding to???? When I will be experiencing the "serious, dangerous side effects"..that you allude to????

Sweet baby jesus you have no idea what you are talking about.

Now.. lets see you explain the mechanism of your last whopper. Please explain how the MRNA vaccine "lessens symptoms by suppressing the immune system causing the "illusion of efficacy".

IF THE VACCINE LOWERS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM, then the patient is more likely to experience symptoms!!!. LIKE RESPIRATORY FAILURE!!!

Now explain how the "side effects of the vaccine".. will "show up in years"... by what mechanism.

Crap on a cracker.
 
lwf said:
The government is not censoring them. They have the right to free speech. They aren't, however, entitled to an audience. Privately owned social media platforms also have the freedom of speech, and they sometimes use this freedom to censor people who spread dangerous misinformation on their platforms because spreading false information about live saving healthcare IS dangerous and irresponsible. COVID-19 has killed more than 6.5 million people and counting. Spreading lies about the danger of a vaccine that saves lives is the height of irresponsibility, even when it is done through ignorance.

These people should have the freedom to spread their lies without being subject to legal repercussions. But other people should also have the freedom to pass judgment on these people, and to refuse to allow these people to use their platforms if they deem their lies are dangerous. This is how freedom of speech works.
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The government has been working together with social media to censor "dangerous misinformation."
 
Fledermaus said:
What obligation does a social media platform have to post medical disinformation?
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In any controversy, disinformation is whatever the other side says.
 
Good4Nothin said:
In any controversy, disinformation is whatever the other side says.
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It's a shame to see the world as two sides. That can lead to some very confused thought.
 
AmbiguousGuy said:
It's a shame to see the world as two sides. That can lead to some very confused thought.
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By the "other side," I meant the other side of a particular controversy, the side you don't agree with.
 
Fledermaus said:
The question was : What obligation does a social media platform have to post medical disinformation?
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Social media is something new, and the big ones are central to all political debate now days. They have no legal obligation to provide anyone a platform. But the federal government DOES have a legal obligation to stay out of it. For example, Biden can't decide that vaccine skepticism is dangerous disinformation, and therefore youtube must ban it. THAT is totally unconstitutional and illegal and just plain WRONG. But it happens anyway.
 
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