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Cortez wants to turn United States into another Sweden

apdst said:
Are you sure? Race is the only difference between Swedish socialism and Venezualan socialism.
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It is amazing how proudly you display the fact that you don't know anything and have no interest in finding out about anything.
 
ecofarm said:
1. Sweden was not mauled by European colonialism.
2. Sweden is one half the size of Venezuela.
3. Sweden is one third the population of Venezuela.
4. Sweden is culturally homogeneous.

Policies were, of course, vastly different; still, the major historical, geographical, demographic and social factors should be considered first.
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The claim is that "socialism is always doomsday," so I don't feel like we need to analyze anything else to disprove that.
 
apdst said:
Are you sure? Race is the only difference between Swedish socialism and Venezualan socialism.
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adpst literally claiming Venezuela has problems because they aren't white enough.

in fact, I'm thinking this is a new signature. Boy... I think this is the third time in a row apdst has made my "so dumb it has to go in the signature" list.
 
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apdst said:
Sweden is over 90% white. Does Cortez want The United States to be 90%+ white?
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No, look at the income inequality figures for all these Nordic countries, Canada and other countries rated the happiest on earth. Then look at the same figures for the countries rated the un happiest. Yes the tax tends to be high but the people don't mind paying it to live in a country where the quality of life favors all of its citizens. Not just 25% or less. Sure we have more population than all of those countries and more problems too but the only thing that will change a country is something radical.
 
Myview said:
No, look at the income inequality figures for all these Nordic countries, Canada and other countries rated the happiest on earth. Then look at the same figures for the countries rated the un happiest. Yes the tax tends to be high but the people don't mind paying it to live in a country where the quality of life favors all of its citizens. Not just 25% or less. Sure we have more population than all of those countries and more problems too but the only thing that will change a country is something radical.
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Indeed.....So although I remind my Scandinavian friends of the massive size difference between their countries and America.....Still quite the contrast to see citizens that generally don't hate their government and are willing to contribute for the welfare of all...Sadan gode ting
 
Kobie said:
It is amazing how proudly you display the fact that you don't know anything and have no interest in finding out about anything.
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He’s afraid of having his worldview challenged.
 
Saladin4 said:
Indeed.....So although I remind my Scandinavian friends of the massive size difference between their countries and America.....Still quite the contrast to see citizens that generally don't hate their government and are willing to contribute for the welfare of all...Sadan gode ting
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Sorry, I have to use translator. Sadan seems to mean 100 but I can find no translation for gote tinq
 
I think what the OP is pointing out, and what liberals on this forum are disingenuously disregarding, is that AOC is trying to have her cake and eat it, too. She wants to have all these social programs, but does not want to do what the Swedish government actually does, in order to make those programs economically feasible.

According to the Tax Foundation,

The United States’ top marginal income tax rate is higher than Norway’s and only 18 percent lower than Sweden’s, yet raises 40 percent less income and payroll tax revenue than Norway and 50 percent less than Sweden.
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Moreover,

Scandinavian income taxes raise a lot of revenue because they are actually rather flat. In other words, they tax most people at these high rates, not just high-income taxpayers. The top marginal tax rate of 60 percent in Denmark applies to all income over 1.2 times the average income in Denmark. From the American perspective, this means that all income over $60,000 (1.2 times the average income of about $50,000 in the United States) would be taxed at 60 percent
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In other words, everyone is going to be paying higher taxes. A lot higher taxes. We're not just going to bleed out the rich.

Now a common liberal talking point is, "Why do her critics keep bringing up AOC? What is the obsession?" We're not obsessed. You are. You liberals who love this woman are projecting your obsession onto conservatives and just reasonably minded people in general who criticize her consistent stupidity and ignorance. Since you have given her the limelight, making her the figurehead of the left, praising her with undeserved adoration (you know, kinda like you did and still do with Obama), you can't blame people for, therefore, criticizing her intellectually shallow proposed policies that would fundamentally shift this country culturally and economically.

In short, she wants Scandinavian results via Venezuelan policy. Like I said, she's trying to have her cake and eat it, too.
 
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apdst said:
How well is the VA working?

It's amazing how Lefists don't understand the limited role of government. To you people, it's total control, or total chaos.
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Stupid question (because of what you are implying).

How well was Enron run? How well was Madoff enterprises run? how well was the Taj Majal Casino run? I could go on

I named a number of well run government run enterprises, and you apparently think that if the VA isn't run as well as them, then all of government is bad.

You seem to be incapable of grasping something more complex than your simplistic vision of the world.

I guess not.

Compare the VA to the Naval Hospital, and you will understand that just because it's government, doesn't equal bad.

Yes, the VA needs work, but in any block of enterprises, I can point to some poorly run orgs and well run ones, be it public or private.


You see one poorly run enterprise, and assume the whole field is the same as that. But, you wouldn't do that to private enterprise, you would single out the poorly run ones and not toss the baby out with the bathwater, but you are totally willing to do that with government. this reveals your bias against government. Dems don't believe in totalitarianism, but we do believe in good government that serves the citizens.

I understand wholeheartedly "limited government". There is no way in hell I want a totalitarian America. That's being for limited government.

That you can't comprehend that means YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND LIMITED GOVERNMENT.

If you are using "limited government" synonymous with conservative thinking, well, I must disagree with you on that meaning.

For, if you are using the term "limited government" as a "conservative principle", then you are not saying I don't understand limited government, you are saying I don't understand conservatism. Nuts to that. I know all about conservatism.

I used to be a conservative, voted libertarian/conservative/republican for years. I know EXACTLY how you think, and since I've delved into the subject deeper, thought things through, I"ve come to realize that the alt-right crowd and the new right are basically simpletons. The real world is more complex, and requires nuanced and more complex solutions, much of the time ( though not always, of course ).

You see something like "medicare", and think we are a bunch of commies goosestepping to the Soviet National Anthem.
I mention medicare and onward comes the red baiting, it happens every day on this forum, over and over and over and over again.
 
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OscarLevant said:
Stupid question (because of what you are implying).

How well was Enron run? How well was Madoff enterprises run? how well was the Taj Majal Casino run? I could go on

I named a number of well run government run enterprises, and you apparently think that if the VA isn't run as well as them, then all of government is bad.

You seem to be incapable of grasping something more complex than your simplistic vision of the world.

I guess not.

Compare the VA to the Naval Hospital, and you will understand that just because it's government, doesn't equal bad.

Yes, the VA needs work, but in any block of enterprises, I can point to some poorly run orgs and well run ones, be it public or private.


You see one poorly run enterprise, and assume the whole field is the same as that. But, you wouldn't do that to private enterprise, you would single out the poorly run ones and not toss the baby out with the bathwater, but you are totally willing to do that with government. this reveals your bias against government. Dems don't believe in totalitarianism, but we do believe in good government that serves the citizens.

I understand wholeheartedly "limited government". There is no way in hell I want a totalitarian America. That's being for limited government.

That you can't comprehend that means YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND LIMITED GOVERNMENT.

If you are using "limited government" synonymous with conservative thinking, well, I must disagree with you on that meaning.

For, if you are using the term "limited government" as a "conservative principle", then you are not saying I don't understand limited government, you are saying I don't understand conservatism. Nuts to that. I know all about conservatism.

I used to be a conservative, voted libertarian/conservative/republican for years. I know EXACTLY how you think, and since I've delved into the subject deeper, thought things through, I"ve come to realize that the alt-right crowd and the new right are basically simpletons. The real world is more complex, and requires nuanced and more complex solutions, much of the time ( though not always, of course ).

You see something like "medicare", and think we are a bunch of commies goosestepping to the Soviet National Anthem.
I mention medicare and onward comes the red baiting, it happens every day on this forum, over and over and over and over again.
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Were people mandated by law to do business with those companies?
 
Myview said:
No, look at the income inequality figures for all these Nordic countries, Canada and other countries rated the happiest on earth. Then look at the same figures for the countries rated the un happiest. Yes the tax tends to be high but the people don't mind paying it to live in a country where the quality of life favors all of its citizens. Not just 25% or less. Sure we have more population than all of those countries and more problems too but the only thing that will change a country is something radical.
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Socialism has failed 100% of the time. But, y'all got it all figured out, this time. Right?

Do you pay more in taxes than you owe? Refuse to take deductions, credits, breaks? Do you donate half your annual salary to the government?
 
Deuce said:
adpst literally claiming Venezuela has problems because they aren't white enough.

in fact, I'm thinking this is a new signature. Boy... I think this is the third time in a row apdst has made my "so dumb it has to go in the signature" list.
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Pirahna mouth said it. Not me.
 
“A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest,” said Paul Simon. AOC gives a rational answer about preferring reasonably successful Scandinavia and the UK as opposed to reasonably catastrophic Venezuela, and the right freaks out: just another reason why she is unfit!

Simon also sang, “I’ve been branded, communist cause I’m left-handed.” Yep, you guessed it. Our girl is a southpaw. Do we need any more proof that she’s Fidel Castro’s daughter, an “all-out communist,” as apdst pronounced her. Of course, if you are going to be a commie, why not go all out?

Guys, she’s what, 5’5”, 120 pounds?

A woman in office a few days is talking like a European. How can we let this continue?!?!?
 
apdst said:
Socialism has failed 100% of the time. But, y'all got it all figured out, this time. Right?

Do you pay more in taxes than you owe? Refuse to take deductions, credits, breaks? Do you donate half your annual salary to the government?
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Not quite failed 100% of the time. My socialist Medicare seems to work fine, despite Reagan’s prediction of Armagedon if it passed, as does my socialist Social Security. Post Office and fire department ain’t bad. Neither is the socialist military. Socialist interstate gets me home on time, and the socialist FDA tells me what’s in my corn flakes.
 
Nickyjo said:
Not quite failed 100% of the time. My socialist Medicare seems to work fine, despite Reagan’s prediction of Armagedon if it passed, as does my socialist Social Security. Post Office and fire department ain’t bad. Neither is the socialist military. Socialist interstate gets me home on time, and the socialist FDA tells me what’s in my corn flakes.
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The post office loses money every year and so does Amtrac.

Social security is about to go tits up.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw0Z6hC8t6ddtfm3_W8ksjDd&ust=1547003107992202

So is medicare.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw0HzV5N10KOZVr-pMcdHzfu&ust=1547003184257306
 
apdst said:
Socialism has failed 100% of the time. But, y'all got it all figured out, this time. Right?

Do you pay more in taxes than you owe? Refuse to take deductions, credits, breaks? Do you donate half your annual salary to the government?
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These happiest countries on earth are clear evidence that Socialism does work. Conversely income inequality does not work and is unsustainable. Social Security and many other concepts America has as government policy and programs are Social Democrat in nature. No, people pay no more than they owe and will use deductions, breaks, and credits. That's true in low income inequality countries also. No idea what point you were trying to make by mentioning tax.
 
apdst said:
Sweden is all white. What's her point? :lamo

https://news.grabien.com/story-ocasio-cortez-whether-her-socialist-policies-would-create-an
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You're the one bringing up the subject of white, not AOC. She was talking about policies, not the color of a nation’s people, like you so disingenuously do. It’s your OP, citation and reference and you totally misrepresented the facts. Grabienews, whoever they are, led with the misleading headline that stating as if AOC said I’M GOING TO TURN AMERICA INTO ANOTHER SWEDEN, NOT VENEZUELA. A totally bogus article. That is not what she said nor could “Grabienews” quote her on anything but what she actually said, which was ‘My POLICIES most closely resemble what we see in the U.K., in Norway, in Finland, in Sweden’. You erroneously equated that with “white”, as if AOC wanted to turn America into another Sweden and into a white nation, both of which are patently false and you know it. Hence your disingenuity. Unless you're just plain dumb and incapable of comprehending the article you linked in your post.
 
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