Choosing to not use recreational drugs is...

[notquiteright]

Nicotine is not safe but show me where it's what causes cancer rather than the breathing in of smoke.

Quibble and deflection... :roll:

Nicotine keeps that coffin nail lit and in the addict's mouth... if the cigarette didn't have nicotine would anyone light one??? :doh

But back to the point of my post before you tried to derail it...

You seem intent on calling some addictive substances 'false equivalences' when they in fact cause more deaths than heroin which you tag specifically.

Are you just focusing on the 'recreational' drugs you don't approve of or do you mean ALL drugs we use to alter mind and mood??? eace

 

[Aunt Spiker]

OK, but I hope you realise that's the same for all alcohol users.

Yes - it absolutely is.

If someone's partial to drinking I'd rather not be around them while they're under the influence... same thing with any other drug use, even prescriptions make me uneasy (something I'm constantly dealing with NOW - they can cause as many or more chaotic episodes).

And yes, it can go from a few drinks on the weekend to a few drinks every night and then a few cases a week . . . I dealt with that, too (current husband and myself).

Nothing but danger around every corner the more you favor being removed from reality. People who haven't experienced the downside really just haven't been dealt the **** hand, yet.

Maybe my view is really just a personal deterrent which keeps me out of 'repeating all that crap' - sure. Highly likely. But it's the way I feel and I respond regardless.

 

[lpast]

In 1980 an organization got off the ground that forced historic changes to laws governing alcohol and its use and the punishments. When I was younger most of the time if you got stopped while drunk as long as you didnt hurt anyone or have a record, they either told you to go home and take it easy, park the car and took your keys and told you to come to the precinct to pick them up when youre sober to giving you a ride home in the patrol car.

This group was Mothers Against Drunk Drivers "MADD" and they did a great service to this country. They are responsible for saving untold numbers of lives by forcing politicians to enact strict laws against drunk drivers.

Cops, firemen politicians were never punished for driving drunk and even crashing. Today not so cops bust cops because once its called in you have no choice when you find out its a brother officer.

Ive never in my life needed or felt compelled by others, to get high to have fun or to have good sex, or felt a need to drink or get high to be a part of the crowd. I never needed artifical stimulation to enjoy life. I feel badly for anyone that has that need, to me you have issues that need to be professionally addressed.

Just like cellphones have become the biggest single cause of vehiclular death, who wouldve thought that would be true 15yrs ago. Cellphones cause more accidents and vehiclular deaths now than alcohol. Soon cell phone use will be banned or greatly curtailed in moving vehicles.

So now we want to add legal drugs to the mix. YAY!!!!! most weed smokers are cross addicts whether it be coke crack or meth or heroin or Alcohol. When weed, because it will becomes legal in 10 yrs the country will understand just what the hell it did wrong.

Of course there will be people here jumping down my throat that they smoke weed now and drive. Yep they do but not nearly to the extent when they know its legal. When its legal people especially youths that didnt smoke will start.

I cant wait for a country that has Drunks Stoners and oblivious cellphone texters and talkers, everywhere.
Because everyone has a right to do everything now.

 

[LadyMoonlight]

I have never used any illegal drugs, ever, I am a teetotaller because I consider alcohol to be an extremely dangerous drug, I don't smoke, never had a drink of coffee (can't stand the smell of coffee so I have never tried to taste it). I gave up cigarettes 29 years ago, put the cigarette that I was smoking out and never had another one. Why do I not use drugs? Because I have never needed to, and anyone who does take drugs but thinks that it is not really a need is either a liar or is kidding themselves. It has always been very simple to me...just don't take drugs...easy. I have no sympathy whatsoever for drug users, tis something they choose to do and then expect sympathy and help when they need it. Weak people use drugs...an example of social Darwinism because it is slow suicide and nature's way of culling the herd.

 

[Dragonfly]

Yes - it absolutely is.

If someone's partial to drinking I'd rather not be around them while they're under the influence... same thing with any other drug use, even prescriptions make me uneasy (something I'm constantly dealing with NOW - they can cause as many or more chaotic episodes).

And yes, it can go from a few drinks on the weekend to a few drinks every night and then a few cases a week . . . I dealt with that, too (current husband and myself).

Nothing but danger around every corner the more you favor being removed from reality. People who haven't experienced the downside really just haven't been dealt the **** hand, yet.

Maybe my view is really just a personal deterrent which keeps me out of 'repeating all that crap' - sure. Highly likely. But it's the way I feel and I respond regardless.

Some people have something in the genetic code that makes them far more susceptible to becoming addicted to things.
Caffeine, gambling, sugar, food, dolls, drugs, alcohol, tobacco, pets, chalk, adrenaline rushes ...

Others don't have that problem.

Not everybody who smoke pot gets addicted. Not everybody who eats at McDonalds becomes obese. Not everybody who drinks beer becomes an alcoholic.

Some people, and it's obvious this isn't going to change YOUR opinion, can do something recreation-ally and not have it become a need.

As I said before, some of the greatest and most creative things man has ever done have come from people who took drugs or were taking drugs.

Bill Gates once took LSD. So did Steve Jobs.

10 Scientific and Technological Visionaries Who Experimented With Drugs

 

[Dragonfly]

and anyone who does take drugs but thinks that it is not really a need is either a liar or is kidding themselves. Weak people use drugs..

Complete and utter bull feces.

On every level.

 

[Cardinal]

Definitely seeing some advocacy for drug use. In fact, it's coming off almost peer pressure-ish (which personally never worked on me in school). So, what are your thoughts on the choice to not to use recreational drugs?

Choosing to not use recreational drugs is...

Other: Odd. Did you never go through an experimental phase?

 

[Henrin]

Choosing to not use recreational drugs is...

Other: Odd. Did you never go through an experimental phase?

Is it? Only 38% of US citizens have ever used marijuana. I'm going to guess that you think the majority of people are odd.

 

[Bucky]

I have never used any illegal drugs, ever, I am a teetotaller because I consider alcohol to be an extremely dangerous drug, I don't smoke, never had a drink of coffee (can't stand the smell of coffee so I have never tried to taste it). I gave up cigarettes 29 years ago, put the cigarette that I was smoking out and never had another one. Why do I not use drugs? Because I have never needed to, and anyone who does take drugs but thinks that it is not really a need is either a liar or is kidding themselves. It has always been very simple to me...just don't take drugs...easy. I have no sympathy whatsoever for drug users, tis something they choose to do and then expect sympathy and help when they need it. Weak people use drugs...an example of social Darwinism because it is slow suicide and nature's way of culling the herd.

You can definitely swing by and I can give you a free hit. If you don't smoke an edible might do the trick.

 

[Lovebug]

Yeah for common sense, as the current vote is in favor of

A choice as worthy of respect as any other

 

[Cardinal]

Is it? Only 38% of US citizens have ever used marijuana. I'm going to guess that you think the majority of people are odd.

49% have admitted to using it. And even then that seems a little on the low side.

 

[Henrin]

49% have admitted to using it. And even then that seems a little on the low side.

Ummm...I just gave you the number of people that admitted to it. Even if your number was correct it wouldn't still make people that never used odd. Odd is a term to describe something unusual, not something that is true for the majority. Stop misusing terms for stupid reasons.

 

[Cardinal]

Ummm...I just gave you the number of people that admitted to it. Even if your number was correct it wouldn't still make people that never used odd. Odd is a term to describe something unusual, not something that is true for the majority. Stop misusing terms for stupid reasons.

I find it odd because in my experience people go through an experimental phase in their teens through their mid twenties, and one day...one day...they're going to be offered some pot and say, "Okay, let's see what the big deal is." Even if they end up deciding it's stupid and overrated, at least they will have tried it.

I'm going by Pew Research, and still think that there's going to be a number of people who won't admit to it for their own reasons.

 

[Henrin]

I find it odd because in my experience people go through an experimental phase in their teens through their mid twenties, and one day...one day...they're going to be offered some pot and say, "Okay, let's see what the big deal is." Even if they end up deciding it's stupid and overrated, at least they will have tried it.

I'm going by Pew Research, and still think that there's going to be a number of people who won't admit to it for their own reasons.

I never went through such a stage. It seems kind of dumb to think it's a normal stage of development for teens to think taking drugs is something they want to do.

 

[Cardinal]

I never went through such a stage. It seems kind of dumb to think it's a normal stage of development for teens to think taking drugs is something they want to do.

*Shrug*

 

[Deuce]

I feel like my passengers prefer me drug-free.

 

[roughdraft274]

Oddly, I'm seeing near condemnation, right now, for not engaging in drug use.

From where? I listen to podcosts and shows from some of the biggest drug heads out there (I think all comedians are just about) and I've never heard anything even close to condemnation. The most I've ever heard is stupid jokes about how if everyone smoked pot we'd all be alot nicer to others or the like. And I've smoked weed once in my life and rarely drink and have never smoked cigarettes. I haven't seen peer pressure for drugs of any kind since high school.

 

[americanwoman]

Definitely seeing some advocacy for drug use. In fact, it's coming off almost peer pressure-ish (which personally never worked on me in school). So, what are your thoughts on the choice to not to use recreational drugs?

It's your choice. As much as you don't want pressure to use, I don't want any speech about me choosing to use. So let's just both keep our mouths shut and let each other be.

 

[What if...?]

Only idiots use drugs. If you have to smoke, snort, ingest or imbibe some illicit substance to feel good about yourself, you're a loser.

Mammals get high. Its in our biology.

Little kids spin in circles til they get dizzy.

Elephants guard fallen fruit long enough for it to ferment.

Not everybody who gets high is doing it because its the only way they feel good. I know many who use psychedelics in a spiritual, personal growth sorta way.

Different strokes and all that.

 

[Henrin]

Mammals get high. Its in our biology.

Little kids spin in circles til they get dizzy.

Elephants guard fallen fruit long enough for it to ferment.

Not everybody who gets high is doing it because its the only way they feel good. I know many who use psychedelics in a spiritual, personal growth sorta way.

Different strokes and all that.

People teach kids to spin in circles to get dizzy.

 

[What if...?]

People teach kids to spin in circles to get dizzy.

Usually other kids.

Your point?

Who taught the elephants?

People meditate to achieve altered states of consciousness.

Runners run for the endorphins.

Gamblers and tycoons do what they do for dopamine.

Hell, almost every drug people do is actually just stimulating release of the neurochemicals (drugs) our bodies produce.

 

[What if...?]

Yep, there are a lot of false equivalencies out there. Most people understand, though, that coffee and sugar are not the same things as cocaine and heroin. Besides, I specified "recreational drugs". Why the need to alter your mind for recreation?

You are using words like "need".

Its usually "like" or "enjoy".

I think this thread is in response to the psychedelic one.

And its not unusual for folks familiar with psychedelics to advocate for them because they themselves have had wondrous, life changing experiences from them. Its MUCH more like "you should check out this movie! Its awesome!", than "you're just a *****!", or whatever it is you're taking away from it.

 

[Casper]

Definitely seeing some advocacy for drug use. In fact, it's coming off almost peer pressure-ish (which personally never worked on me in school). So, what are your thoughts on the choice to not to use recreational drugs?

A personal choice.

 

[Henrin]

Usually other kids.

Your point?

Who taught the elephants?

People meditate to achieve altered states of consciousness.

Runners run for the endorphins.

Gamblers and tycoons do what they do for dopamine.

Hell, almost every drug people do is actually just stimulating release of the neurochemicals (drugs) our bodies produce.

Ummm...I taught my daughter to spin to get dizzy well before she went to school. I'm pretty sure that isn't unusual either.

 

[Ikari]

Definitely seeing some advocacy for drug use. In fact, it's coming off almost peer pressure-ish (which personally never worked on me in school). So, what are your thoughts on the choice to not to use recreational drugs?

It's up to the individual. Some people choos not to drink or smoke either. Ultimately, in the long term, not using any recreational drug (including tobacco and alcohol) is far healthier, though there are so.e drugs that can be enjoyed limitedly that won't hugely impact long term health.

To each their own.