Childlike Sex Dolls

[calamity]

Yes, you read that right.

Struggling to reconcile his attraction to children with a conviction that they should be protected, Takagi founded Trottla, a company that produces life-like child sex dolls. For more than a decade, Trottla has shipped anatomically-correct imitations of girls as young as five to clients around the world.

Can Child Sex Dolls Keep Pedophiles from Offending? - The Atlantic

Thoughts?

 

[ajn678]

I doubt any topic on pedophiles will have non biased thoughts simply because of the way society views them.

 

[calamity]

I doubt any topic on pedophiles will have non biased thoughts simply because of the way society views them.

I never heard of this until today...facebook had a thread on it for some reason. And, no. The responses were far from positive.

Personally, I guess...I'd rather a perv molest a doll than a real five year old. But, sheesh. Do we have to cater to them at all?

 

[ecofarm]

I doubt any topic on pedophiles will have non biased thoughts simply because of the way society views them.

Feel free to present your non biased thoughts on the topic.

 

[ajn678]

Feel free to present your non biased thoughts on the topic.

I think the obvious response is that this is a disgusting thing to create, however, if it lessens the need for them to offend in reality I am for it. We have plenty of murder simulating video games and we have no problem with those.

 

[shrubnose]

Yes, you read that right.

Thoughts?

What's the difference between making dolls like this and making pedophilic porn?

Sounds like pretty much the same thing to me.

 

[ecofarm]

I think the obvious response is that this is a disgusting thing to create, however, if it lessens the need for them to offend in reality I am for it.

Do you have evidence that the dolls prevent attacks? Perhaps the dolls spur attacks?

We have plenty of murder simulating video games and we have no problem with those.

Plenty of people have problems with those. Also, can we really equate a game with murder (presumably not resulting in sexual gratification) and fantasies about raping children?

 

[calamity]

I think the obvious response is that this is a disgusting thing to create, however, if it lessens the need for them to offend in reality I am for it. We have plenty of murder simulating video games and we have no problem with those.

Clearly, my intent was to discuss the therapeutic aspect of this doll. If it works, great. If it makes things worse, not so much.

I'm not sure anyone knows right now, especially with regards to non-offenders. I believe the people who have offended are beyond the point where this would be of benefit. It's like once the brain goes there--offending--it needs radical behavior modification or even chemical castration. But, the person who only has this idea...I guess the doll is a safer way to live the fantasy.

I don't know. It's ugly to think about.

 

[calamity]

What's the difference between making dolls like this and making pedophilic porn?

Sounds like pretty much the same thing to me.

Sim child porn is apparently legal in Japan. Real child porn hurts kids, obviously. It's all disgusting. But, apparently there are legal loopholes with sims.

It's like regular adult porn but with child-like actresses. Those are apparently legal, even though they are clearly simulating child sex.

We live in a strange world, with lots of strange people inhabiting it.

 

[ajn678]

Do you have evidence that the dolls prevent attacks? Perhaps the dolls spur attacks?



Plenty of people have problems with those. Also, can we really equate a game with murder (presumably not resulting in sexual gratification) and fantasies about raping children?

I'm sure there are studies out there that sexual release for pedophiles outside of molesting children limits the amount of times they offend in real life. I'm sure most people would rather ignore it and wish we didn't have to deal with people like that. But they do exist.

 

[ecofarm]

I'm sure there are studies out there that sexual release for pedophiles outside of molesting children limits the amount of times they offend in real life.

I doubt it.

I'm sure most people would rather ignore it and wish we didn't have to deal with people like that. But they do exist.

No one denies they exist. We deny the need to provide childlike dolls for them.

You haven't answered my question: how do you equate murder in video games with sexual gratification from fantasizing about raping children? I don't see the equivalence. Further, your claim that "we have no problem with that" was false. Plenty of people have a problem with it. In not addressing this, you're agreeing with me?

 

[ajn678]

I doubt it.



No one denies they exist. We deny the need to provide childlike dolls for them.

You haven't answered my question: how do you equate murder in video games with sexual gratification from fantasizing about raping children? I don't see the equivalence. Further, your claim that "we have no problem with that" was false. Plenty of people have a problem with it. In not addressing this, you're agreeing with me?

Murder in video games is no different than having "sex" with plastic. Neither are reality. They both simulate reality to achieve goals. Entertainment or gratification. American society has a huge issue with violence in general. Sex in general is much more hidden in our culture, let alone people that are attracted to children. Just look at what happens to a movie with a nipple or two is shown or a four letter word is said more than once vs what kind of violence can be shown.

 

[William Rea]

I doubt it.



No one denies they exist. We deny the need to provide childlike dolls for them.

You haven't answered my question: how do you equate murder in video games with sexual gratification from fantasizing about raping children? I don't see the equivalence. Further, your claim that "we have no problem with that" was false. Plenty of people have a problem with it. In not addressing this, you're agreeing with me?

You asked the wrong question. The question is, how is getting gratification from fantasising about murder different from getting gratification from fantasising about raping children?

I suggest that the prevalence of one particular medium of gratification among a certain demographic of the internet is one reason to abhor one of those while accepting the other as 'normalised'.

 

[Bisou]

The thoughts and actions on a doll would be likely to become deeds. This is just wrong.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Yes, you read that right.

Thoughts?

Honestly?

Let's throw a bit of research money at this, get some high-risk non-active pedophiles, and study whether this works.

If it works, give it to every non-active pedophile known to any therapist, doctor, or government agency in the damn world, until we find something better.

If it stops people from raping children, it is worth doing. Yes, it's creepy. Oh well. If it stops people from raping children, it is worth doing.

We need to be encouraging pedophiles to talk to someone and seek help. We can't do anything to protect children if they hide. And we can't do anything to help THEM if they hide, either. Lots of pedophiles realize that raping children is horribly wrong, and wish they weren't pedophiles. They're disturbed.

Because they hide, we have very limited opportunities to find new treatments for them. Generally, the only pedophiles we know about are the jailed, serial child molesters who often have co-morbid psychopathy. But this co-morbidity makes them a lot harder to treat.

What about all the non-active, hiding pedophiles? Well, we have no idea. Because they are justifiably afraid to even talk to a shrink, let alone their GP. And as much as it justifiably weirds people out, we need to find a way for these people to access help without fear so that we can actually figure out how to fix pedophilia, or at least find an outlet for them that works tor reduce their risk to the community. If this helps, then let's do it.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

It creeps me the **** out. But I would rather they have sex with a doll than an actual child. I would rather they watch simulated child porn than real child porn.

 

[eohrnberger]

It creeps me the **** out. But I would rather they have sex with a doll than an actual child. I would rather they watch simulated child porn than real child porn.

I'm with you on this. Creeps me out too.

In the short run it would seem to give the perv an outlet, but in the longer run, wouldn't this recurring outlet continue to build and intensify the perv's desire for the real thing?

 

[maquiscat]

I never heard of this until today...facebook had a thread on it for some reason. And, no. The responses were far from positive.

Personally, I guess...I'd rather a perv molest a doll than a real five year old. But, sheesh. Do we have to cater to them at all?

I know I have heard of it before, and I would have sworn it has been brought up here before.

But think on it this way. Are we catering to the pedophiles, or are we throwing up a way to take the target off children?

 

[maquiscat]

What's the difference between making dolls like this and making pedophilic porn?

Sounds like pretty much the same thing to me.

If you mean animated prom, then I would say there is no difference, and both should be allowed. There is no harm done to anyone when such items are made. Technically, most porn involving the Disney princesses is pedophilic, using the word in the colloquial manner, as most of them are under 18, per Disney itself. However, if you are talking live pedophile porn, and not one where the 18+ year old is simply looking like a young teen, then there is a world of difference.

 

[maquiscat]

Do you have evidence that the dolls prevent attacks? Perhaps the dolls spur attacks?

Plenty of people have problems with those. Also, can we really equate a game with murder (presumably not resulting in sexual gratification) and fantasies about raping children?

I don't think that there is a study on which way these dolls would influence a pedophile. The problem would be getting enough together for a definitive study. Given the way that we shun and persecute those who have the affliction and seek help before they ever harm a child, it is understandable that few would come forward to show that these dolls curb their appetite enough to not harm real children.

 

[maquiscat]

Murder in video games is no different than having "sex" with plastic. Neither are reality. They both simulate reality to achieve goals. Entertainment or gratification. American society has a huge issue with violence in general. Sex in general is much more hidden in our culture, let alone people that are attracted to children. Just look at what happens to a movie with a nipple or two is shown or a four letter word is said more than once vs what kind of violence can be shown.

I think a better comparison for killing would be paintball and similar war games, when looking at the use of plastic dolls. Sex based flash games and other online porn is the more parallel comparison to violent video games.

 

[maquiscat]

The thoughts and actions on a doll would be likely to become deeds. This is just wrong.

Your evidence of this?

 

[molten_dragon]

I find them distasteful, but no real children are being harmed, so I don't have any objection to them really.

Research on the subject of whether they might help prevent pedophiles from molesting children seems divided. If it could be proven they're helpful I'd be more supportive of them.

 

[maquiscat]

I'm with you on this. Creeps me out too.

In the short run it would seem to give the perv an outlet, but in the longer run, wouldn't this recurring outlet continue to build and intensify the perv's desire for the real thing?

Thus the reason for the studies, to determine if it is effective. And as SM pointed out, we also have to account for co-morbid conditions which could change effectiveness.

 

[calamity]

I know I have heard of it before, and I would have sworn it has been brought up here before.

But think on it this way. Are we catering to the pedophiles, or are we throwing up a way to take the target off children?

Tough call. I figure the guy who founded the company followed a passion and a chance to turn it into a profitable business. As for it being of benefit, the experts are divided.