Che Guevara: Hero or pig?

[The Truth-Bringer]

Che was a mentally inbalanced man who by the time he arrived in Cuba, was full of hate and directly ordered the death of thousands....including children and innocent farmers who refused to join his "revolution". Ruthless, cold blooded and calculating he was Fidel Castro's main henchman, who early in the Revolution killed and eliminated everyone who could challenge his Marxist Leninist ideas.

Those who are not aware of his past, need to know the truth by reading more ...not just his quotes.

Guevara’s "admirers" have constructed, manipulated and displayed his image for mainly political and economic ends. The idealization of the Argentine revolutionary portraying him as a romantic hero, intellectual and freedom fighter, contributes to the distortion of Ernesto "Che" Guevara.

During the Cuban missile crisis, he was in favor of a nuclear war because he believed that a better world could be built from the ashes, regardless of the cost in millions of lives.

Since you like quotes, I'm going to give you one of Che's:

"Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks the boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier in an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary."

Guevara’s elevation as symbol of goodness, due to the self-indulgence and frivolity of pampered Western pseudo revolutionaries, speaks clearly of their lack of critical objective analysis, forgetting that the difference between "Che" and Pol Pot was that Guevara never studied in Paris.

Good article: "Killer Chic" (with good sources)

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12467

Yes, Quotes tell NOTHING of The Person's Actions or History he caused, I mean, look at Stalin! You hear these Patriotic and Free quotes by him , same with Hitler, but when you look at their actions...ugh

 

[MiamiFlorida]

Yes, Quotes tell NOTHING of The Person's Actions or History he caused, I mean, look at Stalin! You hear these Patriotic and Free quotes by him , same with Hitler, but when you look at their actions...ugh

You're right....and there's no shortage of "armchair revolutionaries". I call them the "caviar guerrilla"....usually middle and upper class pampered wanna-be rebels who spend big bucks to let the world know how much they despise capitalism.

European companies have noticed.T-shirts (isn't the Jesus Christ pose great?), mugs, posters...... Even "Swatch" had a Ché Guevara line. Can't be seen without it when you have your Café au Lait at the Parisian bistro hangout.

Not to be outdone, Hollywood too has cashed in on the myth.

And then come the quotes: "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"

What hogwash!

 

[Z.D.]

I would consider myself a socialist, not a communist. I find Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, etc. disguesting. In my opinion there hasn't been a true socialist leader. Allende was pretty close, but he died pretty early on. But to get back to the point. I find think che was not a hero, but not villain. Yes he killed plenty of people but in the end, he had good intentions.

 

[V.I. Lenin]

I would consider myself a socialist, not a communist. I find Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, etc. disguesting. In my opinion there hasn't been a true socialist leader. Allende was pretty close, but he died pretty early on. But to get back to the point. I find think che was not a hero, but not villain. Yes he killed plenty of people but in the end, he had good intentions.

How do you feel about Venezuela's Hugo Chavez or Yugoslavia's Tito?

 

[Comrade Brian]

Che was a mentally inbalanced man who by the time he arrived in Cuba, was full of hate and directly ordered the death of thousands....including children and innocent farmers who refused to join his "revolution". Ruthless, cold blooded and calculating he was Fidel Castro's main henchman, who early in the Revolution killed and eliminated everyone who could challenge his Marxist Leninist ideas.

Those who are not aware of his past, need to know the truth by reading more ...not just his quotes.

Guevara’s "admirers" have constructed, manipulated and displayed his image for mainly political and economic ends. The idealization of the Argentine revolutionary portraying him as a romantic hero, intellectual and freedom fighter, contributes to the distortion of Ernesto "Che" Guevara.

During the Cuban missile crisis, he was in favor of a nuclear war because he believed that a better world could be built from the ashes, regardless of the cost in millions of lives.

Since you like quotes, I'm going to give you one of Che's:

"Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks the boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier in an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary."

Guevara’s elevation as symbol of goodness, due to the self-indulgence and frivolity of pampered Western pseudo revolutionaries, speaks clearly of their lack of critical objective analysis, forgetting that the difference between "Che" and Pol Pot was that Guevara never studied in Paris.

Good article: "Killer Chic" (with good sources)

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12467

I said he had many good things to say, not everything he said was in my mind, good. And I said I like alot what he said, not did.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

The same has been said about Nelson Mandela,but I'm sure that most of us would agree that he is a great man who fought against a tyrannical racist regime!

The thing that pisses me off most about Nelson Mandela is that I've seen him called a "champion of non-violence" when he actively supported and possibly participated in violence. That's stupid. I'm not going to call him a great man. Because while what he accomplished is of great merit his actions and ideas that produced those results are less than great.

 

[nkgupta80]

we still revere columbus somewhat don't we? He was a bastard when you study his history... he treated the new world people like animals, and was known for using torture etc. But we still erect monuments in his name. We have a freakin holiday in his name. I think in the case of Che, the idea he represented as a freedom fighter is what remains among a lotta southamericans.

 

[MiamiFlorida]

I would consider myself a socialist, not a communist. I find Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, etc. disguesting. In my opinion there hasn't been a true socialist leader. Allende was pretty close, but he died pretty early on. But to get back to the point. I find think che was not a hero, but not villain. Yes he killed plenty of people but in the end, he had good intentions.

Allende was doing very well until he neutralized the Chilean Supreme Court, established neighborhood "defense committees" (a la Fidel Castro) to suppress disidents, and curtailed the power of the Chilean Congress. Although democratically elected, he was taking rapid and systematic steps to dismantle the same democratic process that got him elected.

 

[Comrade Brian]

Not to mention Columbus stole a lot of Native American wealth, and enslaved many of them.

 

[Comrade Brian]

Allende was doing very well until he neutralized the Chilean Supreme Court, established neighborhood "defense committees" (a la Fidel Castro) to suppress disidents, and curtailed the power of the Chilean Congress. Although democratically elected, he was taking rapid and systematic steps to dismantle the same democratic process that got him elected.

And even if I believed this to be true, is it worse than Pinochet?

 

[MiamiFlorida]

And even if I believed this to be true, is it worse than Pinochet?

You can believe whatever you wish. Some people believe in Santa Claus.

And to answer your question: Pinochet was no better than Allende. He was a dictator and a murderer.

 

[Z.D.]

Still, I think anyone in the right mind(unless they are rich) would agree that Allende was and would be much much better then Pinochet. At least Allende wouldn't send death squads eliminating poorer classes just because they were branded communist. And what is more disguesting in my opinion is how the U.S. supported Pinochet.

 

[Comrade Brian]

That's because Pinochet was friends with US businesses, The US gov. also liked Pol Pot because he was anti-N. Vietnem. And the US killed some three million Vietnamese, and used chemical weapons. Also the US gov. used to be pro-Saddam and bin Laden. And Kuwait is under a dictatorship.

 

[MiamiFlorida]

Still, I think anyone in the right mind(unless they are rich) would agree that Allende was and would be much much better then Pinochet. At least Allende wouldn't send death squads eliminating poorer classes just because they were branded communist. And what is more disguesting in my opinion is how the U.S. supported Pinochet.

Let's just say that Allende didn't get the chance to become a left-wing Pinochet....but he was getting there.

Let's use an analogy: If George Bush sent the Supreme Court packing, took away the power of Congress, and set up neighborhood watches to document every move of Democratic Party simpathyzers....even though he was democratically elected...wouldn't you say we're on our way to a totalitarian State?

The U.S. made some strange alliances during the cold war. The relationship to the Pinochet regime was one of them.

 

[MiamiFlorida]

That's because Pinochet was friends with US businesses, The US gov. also liked Pol Pot because he was anti-N. Vietnem. And the US killed some three million Vietnamese, and used chemical weapons. Also the US gov. used to be pro-Saddam and bin Laden. And Kuwait is under a dictatorship.

I've addressed the alliances of the U.S. during the Cold War.

We were talking about Allende, remember?

 

[Comrade Brian]

Most presidents haven't been democratically elected, it was electorally.

 

[Comrade Brian]

I've addressed the alliances of the U.S. during the Cold War.

We were talking about Allende, remember?

And where did G. Bush pop up in your post?

 

[MiamiFlorida]

And where did G. Bush pop up in your post?

Remember the word "analogy"?:


"a comparison between two things that are similar in some way, often used to help explain something or make it easier to understand"

I was talking about a fictitious takeover of the United States to illustrate what Allende in fact did.

What analogies can you give me with Vietnam, Pol Pot and Pinochet?

 

[Tashah]

Actually, Che is a bit before my time and so I have to draw conclusions from news articles and Latin American history. It seems to me that Che initially began with noble causes and subsequently married these altruive causes to armed revolution and banditry. It seems that somewhere along the line, Che chose to cultivate revolutionary violence rather than nurture peaceful social reforms. I really don't know... that is just my overall tentative impression.

 

[MiamiFlorida]

Actually, Che is a bit before my time and so I have to draw conclusions from news articles and Latin American history. It seems to me that Che initially began with noble causes and subsequently married these altruive causes to armed revolution and banditry. It seems that somewhere along the line, Che chose to cultivate revolutionary violence rather than nurture peaceful social reforms. I really don't know... that is just my overall tentative impression.

Good observation. Latin America is full of histories of men....revolutionaries and liberators...intellectuals and populists..... who have been corrupted by power.

When a man adheres to a cause...he's not automatically vaccinated from the temptations of power....and often the "new orders" these men establish are more repressive than the previous regimes.

 

[zero18]

Then again, almost all communist revolutionaries were burgouise.

Seems to kind of go against Marx's predictions.:doh

 

[MiamiFlorida]

Seems to kind of go against Marx's predictions.:doh

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

 

[Red_Dave]

Those shirts are funny.:lol:

But I'td be funnier if I wore one.:lol:

Intrestingly one of the compaines that makes the che t-shirts has an apalling workers rights record, who says ironys dead?:lol:

 

[Inuyasha]

When i was in the military his book on guerilla warfar was a main stay text and all the officers praised him. Hed was in a way kind of like Rommel. A respected enemy.

 

[MiamiFlorida]

When i was in the military his book on guerilla warfar was a main stay text and all the officers praised him. Hed was in a way kind of like Rommel. A respected enemy.

He was quite skilled in the art of killing.