Boehner says 'unemployed' Trump 'has nothing else to do' but 'cause trouble' (4/12/21)

[MSgt]

Exponential trend?

Yes. Again, look at your own numbers. Trump's contribution was a temporary artificial cash grab for the wealthy. In 2019, it nose dived to 2.3%. Then 2020.

But what is important is that the wealthy, who maintain their businesses abroad because of low salaries and less benefits, also now get to escape taxes! It is truly odd how you people like the idea that you champion capitalism, but expect corporations to defy capitalism in order to satisfy a benevolent "coming home" party.

You were duped on all levels from 2016 to early 2021. For all I know you still believe in his hoax to steal the election.

What is wrong with you, it is real dollars, 1.2 trillion over those three years and that is real money.

$8 trillion extra dollars added to the national debt, with no American project to speak of, is real money.

If you bothered to check the numbers you would see that even by your standards 2016 was heading us towards a recession.....

Economists have been saying that we are headed for a recession for years. 2016's GDP was the result of multiple documented factors and was an anomaly in the trend.

Also by the way, thank "your" President for the following

Iran starts enriching uranium to 60%, its highest level ever

Iran began enriching uranium Friday to its highest level ever, edging closer to weapons-grade levels to pressure talks in Vienna aimed at restoring its nuclear deal with world powers after an attack on its main atomic site.

www.foxnews.com

Again with the partisan garbage, but pretending that others are partisan.

Iran began enriching again in early 2020, thanks to Trump walking away from the deal in 2017 and dropping brutal sanctions in 2018. But whatever you do, deny Trump his "personal responsibility."

I like how a Democrat can be President for just a couple months and get blamed for what the last Republican traitor absolutely did all by himself in your name.

 

[Conservative]

MSgt, post: 1073818506, member: 634"]
You people have proven that "big brother" is not a problem for you. Trump exposed plenty.

I operated a shelter during Harvey housing over 300 people for a week without any help from you. What you fail to recognize is that Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso are all bastions of liberalism under Democratic control for decades. "Big Brother" is only needed for national defense and a national disaster. I can see your liberal compassion

I gave you the links to exactly what WHO and China said. It is permissible for grown adults to read.

Yes, you can post what they said all of which has been proven to be lies, why do you still support foreign governments and not your own

Again, you prove just how partisan and deflecting you are. What does it matter what Biden, Pelosi, or anybody else briefly said in January? What matters is what Trump said and did from January to November. While the rest quickly developed an understanding of this virus as health officials developed their understanding, Trump continued his political game until he abruptly admitted that it was more than a hoax on March 13. But he commenced to still play his game for you. Using Biden or Pelosi in January to excuse Trump's year long blundering is pathetic, especially from one who likes to present those Democrats as being beneath Trump. Once again we see the cult using what they hate to defend Trump.

right, travel ban, hospital ship to NYC, Operation Warp Speed none of which resonates with you. Liberal economic shutdown which was an attempt to stop the virus from spreading when the real desire was to create poor economic results for Trump

And Biden is America's President, just like Obama, Bush, Clinton, and Reagan before him. There is no Biden Nation. There is no eagerness to betray religion, nation, and simple common sense for him. There is no elevated demagogue status offered to him. The fact that you need something else to be the case is personal deflection for what our country experienced for four years as Trump catered to only you and the rest of the far-right cult.

The role of the President is to do what? Where is our defense of our borders? Where is our effort to prevent our enemies from developing nuclear weapons? Where is personal responsibility in the Biden proposals? Who pays for the Biden policies and where is it in the Constitution that we redistribute wealth? It is so easy to buy rhetoric but so difficult to post official results. Liberalism is a fraud that destroys incentive and creates dependence

"Partisan" would be another word that you should look up.

I have no problem knowing the definition of partisan, it is partisan conservative economic policies and religion that built this great country, the one your ideology is destroy

I'm not a Democrat. Democrats are just the ones who use functioning brains anymore.

I have no idea what you are nor do I care, you post like a radical, a socialist wannabe, a supporter of the nanny state and a globalist supporting countries that are our enemies

Dead Chinese helps you excuse Trump and the many thousands of Americans who died because Covid was just a "Democrat hoax?" Does this help you ignore the American dead in red states, who were so easily bullied into recklessly opening during the summer because Trump said so? Wow, you really do have it bad for Trump.

You got what you wanted, Trump is out of office, Biden is President, now what? January was the worst month ever for Covid deaths and that is a year AFTER all those claims you made against Trump as if the American people still aren't smart enough to make their own right decisions.

 

[Conservative]

Yes. Again, look at your own numbers. Trump's contribution was a temporary artificial cash grab for the wealthy. In 2019, it nose dived to 2.3%. Then 2020.

Nosed dived? Still higher than any GDP year Obama ever had and was done with 7 interest rate hikes that affected consumer spending

But what is important is that the wealthy, who maintain their businesses abroad because of low salaries and less benefits, also now get to escape taxes! It is truly odd how you people like the idea that you champion capitalism, but expect corporations to defy capitalism in order to satisfy a benevolent "coming home" party.

You were duped on all levels from 2016 to early 2021. For all I know you still believe in his hoax to steal the election.

NO it is people like you who buy rhetoric that are duped, you are a liberal someone who believes in spending in the name of compassion ignoring that dependence isn't compassion. Class envy and jealousy is what you spew, what is preventing you from joining the rich and doing then what you want the gov't to do, give your money to the poor? Look in the mirror for the real problem

$8 trillion extra dollars added to the national debt, with no American project to speak of, is real money.

Right, economic shutdown so that the gov't because the provider for more and more people thus creating career multi millionaire politicians that you don't seem to comprehend

Economists have been saying that we are headed for a recession for years. 2016's GDP was the result of multiple documented factors and was an anomaly in the trend.

Yes but as you seem to show you care more about what economists say than actual reality of what Americans experienced and feel.

Again with the partisan garbage, but pretending that others are partisan.

Iran began enriching again in early 2020, thanks to Trump walking away from the deal in 2017 and dropping brutal sanctions in 2018. But whatever you do, deny Trump his "personal responsibility."

I like how a Democrat can be President for just a couple months and get blamed for what the last Republican traitor absolutely did all by himself in your name.

I am truly a partisan a partisan conservative that saw the democratic party leave me. Yes, in just a couple months our borders are being overrun, Iran has ramped up nuclear enrichments, Blue state unemployment remains high, massive gov't spending proposals have been touted, expansion of the Supreme Court to implement socialist policies. Yes just a couple months and more Executive Orders than any President in history, all focused on creating that massive nanny state that liberals love.

 

[MSgt]

I realize how hard this is for you to understand but there are blue supporters in this Red state of TX....

I said Texas is a beggar state. I did not say that Republican Texas is a beggar state. You are the one who went partisan, again proving what you are.

Begging for assistance? Really? that is your argument? A national disaster like Hurricane Harvey, Imelda? How about Hurricane Katrina or Hurricane Sandy? That kind of assistance from other states?

You mean states that apply state taxes and ease the burden from the rest of the country?

It is stunning your hatred of Texas and the fact that the state continues to attract people. I am NOT from TX but love living here because of the freedoms we have, yes even freedoms to make bad mistakes.

I thought we hated socialism? And yes, you have the freedom to make the same bad mistakes over and over and over at my expense. The reason you people will never actually secede is that you need the rest of the states to take care of you. I would be fine watching Texas beg Mexico for aid over and over and over. Oh wait, Texas already does this.

As for Covid 19 response again you ignore that this was a bipartisan bill that funds hospitals and reimbursement for Covid19 expenses. Is that what you want rejected?

Just adding it to Texas' need for socialism.

Got it....

No I don't think you get it at all. I will help again:

- You have a Senator hauling off to Cancun while his state freezes (Texas will re-elect him).
- You have a Governor still playing Trump's anti-mask (Texas will re-elect him) and immediately blamed the escalated deaths in his cities as being a Democrat fault.
- Meanwhile, Texas boasts the second highest rate of COVID change, spiking 300% in deaths between June and July 2020, passing 30,000 deaths in January 2021 with hospitalization setting a record, and averaging over 200 deaths a day.
- If Texas isn't begging for federal assistance (hurricanes, freeze, etc.), Texas is whining about seceding (the latest being House Bill 1359 just this January), while perversely presenting itself as a Patriot state.
- Texas has a former Governor who declared that Obama was using Special Forces to invade Texas, thus he deployed his National Guard to defend Texans against martial law.

Do you sort of get it now? Texas is full of morons who hop around making false arguments about "liberty," while pandering to the most extreme of politics, while routinely threatening secession, while also constantly begging for federal big-brother assistance. California and Texas are two sides of the same pathetic basket-case coin.

What is it about liberalism...

So boring.

 

[TheParser]

And it looks as if Mr. B. has nothing to do but get back into the news by badmouthing a former Republican President.

Hopefully, Mr. B. will receive a nice stipend for (eagerly) appearing on any cable channel that invites him.

 

[Conservative]

"MSgt, post: 1073818645, member: 634"]
I said Texas is a beggar state. I did not say that Republican Texas is a beggar state. You are the one who went partisan, again proving what you are.

Beggar state? You are clueless

You mean states that apply state taxes and ease the burden from the rest of the country?

You are truly a waste of time, a federal mandate is funded by federal taxes and created by Congress and both parties. Calling any state a beggar state shows nothing but pure ignorance.

 

[MSgt]

I operated a shelter during Harvey housing over 300 people for a week without any help from you. What you fail to recognize is that Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso are all bastions of liberalism under Democratic control for decades.

Cities. Welcome to the world where the uneducated podunk is king in the rural.

Yes, you can post what they said all of which has been proven to be lies, why do you still support foreign governments and not your own

Not lies. Simple black and white fact. Right-wing propaganda has told you that they simply lied, thus delegitimizing even the simplest of facts.

And don't confuse a support for country for your support for Trump. You constantly betrayed your country for a clear traitor. What saddens me is that I spent twenty years supporting my government so that people like you can prove just how unworthy you are to live in it.

right, travel ban, hospital ship to NYC, Operation Warp Speed none of which resonates with you.

It's funny how you people cling to the placations that will help you ignore Trump's actual lack of leadership, his denigration of health officials, his constant denial, and politicization of something as simple as a mask.

The role of the President is to do what? Where is our defense of our borders? Where is our effort to prevent our enemies from developing nuclear weapons? Where is personal responsibility in the Biden proposals? Who pays for the Biden policies and where is it in the Constitution that we redistribute wealth? It is so easy to buy rhetoric but so difficult to post official results. Liberalism is a fraud that destroys incentive and creates dependence.

You have a Border Patrol. Stop whining about brown people who pick your crops on Republican farms across America.
Obama made a deal that locked Iran down for a decade. Trump wrecked that. But it's Biden's fault Iran began enriching again in February 2020?

The rest of what you wrote is beyond stupid.

I have no problem knowing the definition of partisan...

Sure you do. You have an absolute inability to look in the mirror as you whine and whine about Democrats, liberals, and anything else the the far-right has not approved of for you. You are only about the Republican Party and it doesn't matter what it does. You will betray your country to prove your allegiance. You just supported an attempt to steal an election. Before this you supported Trump's lies about Covid. Before this you supported an attempt to get Ukraine to interfere in an American election. Before this you supported secret meetings with Russians, which worked to elect Trump. Other than a birth certificate and luck, there is nothing really American about you. What else would you support if Trump and his GOP required it of you? You were even caught lying and altering data for them. From this, you actually think that everybody else are the ones exhibiting partisanship? You have a better President right now and all you can do is promote the idea that only a national traitor like Trump can be your representative. You are beyond blind.

I have no idea what you are nor do I care....

Of course you do. I'm the one with integrity, which means that if I say I am not a Democrat, I am not a Democrat.

And you do care, because you need criticism towards Trump to be about partisanship. You need to ignore all the Republican organizations that hated Trump for what he was. You need to ignore that tens of thousands of Republicans gave the Party up after January 6 and became Democrats. You need to ignore so many bi-partisan organizations that presented Trump for what he was. You need to ignore the military and almost 500 Generals and Admirals who saw Trump for what he was. Ignoring all of this helps you cling to the idea that your support is based on rational thought and that everybody else is just "partisan." This is exactly what conservatives across the country clung too. All of their "TDS" and "MSM" crap was about deflection and a game of denial.

You got what you wanted, Trump is out of office, Biden is President, now what?

Now sanity.

Maybe Iran can get locked down again. Maybe our allies will start respecting us again. Maybe our enemies will receive less policy gifts. Maybe the wealthy will start paying their share of the taxes again (if Biden is able to keep to his promise about taxing only the $400,000 and above club.)

 

[MSgt]

Beggar state? You are clueless

The entire country sees it.

- Texans boast about their lack of state taxes, yet constantly ask for federal aid.
- Texans boasts about being patriots, yet routinely whines about secession.
- Texans boast about their hatred for socialism and their devotion of capitalism, yet are clearly all about that socialism.

Texas is full of political babies who rely upon federal socialism because it sustains itself on transparent rhetoric about itself, while demonizing its own cities in order to pander to idiotic political games.

You are truly a waste of time, a federal mandate is funded by federal taxes and created by Congress and both parties. Calling any state a beggar state shows nothing but pure ignorance.

A beggar state is one that refuses to implement a state tax system and relies on other states to help it out. Other American citizens should pay taxes so that you don't have to? Shall we all stop paying taxes? Where will you get your handout then?

The more educated would point out the socialism involved here. Speaking of, wow, look at this pretty picture! According to Federal Aid as a Percentage State General Revenue, the Republican-loving South (and red-states in general) looooves their socialism.

 

[MSgt]

Nosed dived? Still higher than any GDP year Obama ever had and was done with 7 interest rate hikes that affected consumer spending

And you clearly lie again for all to see. The GDP of 2019 was less than three of Obama's years, which followed a massive recession that Republicans largely created. And a 2.3% from a 2.9% is a nose dive that existed because Trump tampered with the good economy and trend that he inherited to the benefit of his own kind at your expense. Unless Biden is able to keep his promise about taxing the more wealthy again, you will pay, which is exactly what Trump and your GOP set up. In fact (again):

Facts from the balance that reports the annual U.S. GDP going back to 1929:

2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.4%
2018: 2.9% <---- Trump's 2017 artificial injection
2019: 2.3% <----Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.

Facts from the World Bank:

2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.3%
2018: 2.9% <---- Trump's 2017 artificial injection
2019: 2.1% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.

Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:

2008: -2.75%
2009: -0.18%
2010: 2.57%
2011: 1.61%
2012: 1.47%
2013: 2.61%
2014: 2.88%
2015: 1.90%
2016: 2.03%
2017: 2.80%
2018: 2.52% <----Lower than 2017, 2014, 2013, and 2010.
2019: 2.29% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.


So...you lie again. But with Trump only seeing a 2.9%, which matches Obama's highest, whatever happened to your anything-less-than-3.0%-is-a-failure argument? It became less convenient, huh? Oh, but you aren't the obvious irrational partisan who has to lie in order to create a delusion about what he supports.

NO it is people like you who buy rhetoric that are duped...

Sure, it's the rest of the world that believed that millions of illegals voted for Clinton, that tomato paste is a vegetable, that Global Warming is fake, that Covid is a hoax, that QAnon is real, and that Democrats stole the election from you. Are you really this jaded in your denial of reality?

The funny thing is that after what you people just supported for four years, you actually think you have anything to say about anything that the rest of the world is not going to scoff at and see it for the bullshit that it is.

I am truly a partisan a partisan conservative that saw the democratic party leave me.

So...back during the Carter years when the NeoCons jumped ship and became Republicans? Congratulations, forty-years later you are now represented by a right-wing Party that betrays conservatism and the country, attacks democracy, and actually tried to steal a Presidential election right in front of your face so that a brainless, treasonous anti-American, anti-conservative, autocrat-wannabe could be comforted. I wonder what the next conspiracy hoax will be that they will promote in order to keep you leashed to their right-wing Party. Simply denigrate a Democrat and they have you. Lame.

You constantly lose even with the most simplest of arguments because you only care abut your Party and jade yourself into thinking that they actually give a **** about you. You are merely a tool to be used, duped, and discarded. Just look how quick Trump was to throw Trump Nation under the bus when they attacked America in his name. Just look at how quick you people betray each other as "rinos" and note that the term is not Conservative In Name Only. You are a so-called conservative in name only because you have no real representation, but have been convinced that being anything other than loyal to them means that you are the enemy. In the end, you duped people became America's weakness, thus its enemy. Those weren't liberals charging the Senators, harassing them through airports, and trying in vain to steal an American election. Those weren't liberals attacking American democracy, attacking American ideological institutions, and siding with Russians against America. Who were they?

You should join the tens of thousands of Republicans who left the new right-wing Party after January 6 and allowed conservatism to actually matter.

 

[Conservative]

Cities. Welcome to the world where the uneducated podunk is king in the rural.



Not lies. Simple black and white fact. Right-wing propaganda has told you that they simply lied, thus delegitimizing even the simplest of facts.

And don't confuse a support for country for your support for Trump. You constantly betrayed your country for a clear traitor. What saddens me is that I spent twenty years supporting my government so that people like you can prove just how unworthy you are to live in it.



It's funny how you people cling to the placations that will help you ignore Trump's actual lack of leadership, his denigration of health officials, his constant denial, and politicization of something as simple as a mask.



You have a Border Patrol. Stop whining about brown people who pick your crops on Republican farms across America.
Obama made a deal that locked Iran down for a decade. Trump wrecked that. But it's Biden's fault Iran began enriching again in February 2020?

The rest of what you wrote is beyond stupid.



Sure you do. You have an absolute inability to look in the mirror as you whine and whine about Democrats, liberals, and anything else the the far-right has not approved of for you. You are only about the Republican Party and it doesn't matter what it does. You will betray your country to prove your allegiance. You just supported an attempt to steal an election. Before this you supported Trump's lies about Covid. Before this you supported an attempt to get Ukraine to interfere in an American election. Before this you supported secret meetings with Russians, which worked to elect Trump. Other than a birth certificate and luck, there is nothing really American about you. What else would you support if Trump and his GOP required it of you? You were even caught lying and altering data for them. From this, you actually think that everybody else are the ones exhibiting partisanship? You have a better President right now and all you can do is promote the idea that only a national traitor like Trump can be your representative. You are beyond blind.



Of course you do. I'm the one with integrity, which means that if I say I am not a Democrat, I am not a Democrat.

And you do care, because you need criticism towards Trump to be about partisanship. You need to ignore all the Republican organizations that hated Trump for what he was. You need to ignore that tens of thousands of Republicans gave the Party up after January 6 and became Democrats. You need to ignore so many bi-partisan organizations that presented Trump for what he was. You need to ignore the military and almost 500 Generals and Admirals who saw Trump for what he was. Ignoring all of this helps you cling to the idea that your support is based on rational thought and that everybody else is just "partisan." This is exactly what conservatives across the country clung too. All of their "TDS" and "MSM" crap was about deflection and a game of denial.
900

Now sanity.

Maybe Iran can get locked down again. Maybe our allies will start respecting us again. Maybe our enemies will receive less policy gifts. Maybe the wealthy will start paying their share of the taxes again (if Biden is able to keep to his promise about taxing only the $400,000 and above club.)

I have no further use for indoctrinated liberals who believe 500 billion dollars vs 900 billion is the same because the percentage growth is the same. You write a novel ignoring official and verifiable data promoting liberal propaganda that violates every principle our Founders created. You continue to ignore personal responsibility, pass off blame to someone who didn't have the authority to enforce any statement made. You also ignore freedom of speech which belongs to every American including Trump.

I don't know what motivates people like you other than belief in rhetoric and total ignorance of results. It really bothers you that allies don't respect us when those same allies used us for years for their protection so they could keep their power by buying votes. What a fraud liberalism is and what a fraud supporters of liberalism are. I do indeed feel sorry for all those duped by liberalism, duped by foreign governments, and people who think solely with their hearts. I will remind you that this country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor not being a federal bureaucrat that destroys incentive, feeds people so they will never bite the hand that feeds them. When you finally realize what a fool the left has made of you it will be too late

 

[ElChupacabra]

And you clearly lie again for all to see. The GDP of 2019 was less than three of Obama's years, which followed a massive recession that Republicans largely created. And a 2.3% from a 2.9% is a nose dive that existed because Trump tampered with the good economy and trend that he inherited to the benefit of his own kind at your expense. Unless Biden is able to keep his promise about taxing the more wealthy again, you will pay, which is exactly what Trump and your GOP set up. In fact (again):

Facts from the balance that reports the annual U.S. GDP going back to 1929:

2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.4%
2018: 2.9% <---- Trump's 2017 artificial injection
2019: 2.3% <----Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.

Facts from the World Bank:

2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.3%
2018: 2.9% <---- Trump's 2017 artificial injection
2019: 2.1% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.

Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:

2008: -2.75%
2009: -0.18%
2010: 2.57%
2011: 1.61%
2012: 1.47%
2013: 2.61%
2014: 2.88%
2015: 1.90%
2016: 2.03%
2017: 2.80%
2018: 2.52% <----Lower than 2017, 2014, 2013, and 2010.
2019: 2.29% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.

The interesting context here being the former president's prediction of GDP reach 4-6% growth, which if the results actual results were compared to the ones he estimated, end up being underwhelming. It's hard to say if the economic growth would have trended downward or upward post 2019 without a pandemic, but for it to reach the projected growth stated, an upward trend in 2019 would have been more reassuring.

 

[Conservative]

The entire country sees it.

- Texans boast about their lack of state taxes, yet constantly ask for federal aid.
- Texans boasts about being patriots, yet routinely whines about secession.
- Texans boast about their hatred for socialism and their devotion of capitalism, yet are clearly all about that socialism.

Texas is full of political babies who rely upon federal socialism because it sustains itself on transparent rhetoric about itself, while demonizing its own cities in order to pander to idiotic political games.



A beggar state is one that refuses to implement a state tax system and relies on other states to help it out. Other American citizens should pay taxes so that you don't have to? Shall we all stop paying taxes? Where will you get your handout then?

The more educated would point out the socialism involved here. Speaking of, wow, look at this pretty picture! According to Federal Aid as a Percentage State General Revenue, the Republican-loving South (and red-states in general) looooves their socialism.



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Asking for federal aid? What a dumbass response and total ignorant of reality, federal aid comes from Federal mandates created by politicians that buy votes, it goes to all people in the states(liberal or conservative) and is created by legislation, not the President, why don't you get your political leadership to stop supporting that kind of legislation? It is absolutely stunning how people like you ignore the reality that federal mandates are funded by federal tax dollars thanks to Bill Clinton in 1995

 

[Conservative]

And you clearly lie again for all to see. The GDP of 2019 was less than three of Obama's years, which followed a massive recession that Republicans largely created. And a 2.3% from a 2.9% is a nose dive that existed because Trump tampered with the good economy and trend that he inherited to the benefit of his own kind at your expense. Unless Biden is able to keep his promise about taxing the more wealthy again, you will pay, which is exactly what Trump and your GOP set up. In fact (again):

Facts from the balance that reports the annual U.S. GDP going back to 1929:

2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.4%
2018: 2.9% <---- Trump's 2017 artificial injection
2019: 2.3% <----Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.

Facts from the World Bank:

2008: -0.1%
2009: -2.5%
2010: 2.6%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.2%
2013: 1.8%
2014: 2.5%
2015: 2.9%
2016: 1.6%
2017: 2.3%
2018: 2.9% <---- Trump's 2017 artificial injection
2019: 2.1% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.

Facts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, showing the U.S. Real GDP Growth Rate:

2008: -2.75%
2009: -0.18%
2010: 2.57%
2011: 1.61%
2012: 1.47%
2013: 2.61%
2014: 2.88%
2015: 1.90%
2016: 2.03%
2017: 2.80%
2018: 2.52% <----Lower than 2017, 2014, 2013, and 2010.
2019: 2.29% <---- Lower than 2018, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2010.


So...you lie again. But with Trump only seeing a 2.9%, which matches Obama's highest, whatever happened to your anything-less-than-3.0%-is-a-failure argument? It became less convenient, huh? Oh, but you aren't the obvious irrational partisan who has to lie in order to create a delusion about what he supports.



Sure, it's the rest of the world that believed that millions of illegals voted for Clinton, that tomato paste is a vegetable, that Global Warming is fake, that Covid is a hoax, that QAnon is real, and that Democrats stole the election from you. Are you really this jaded in your denial of reality?

The funny thing is that after what you people just supported for four years, you actually think you have anything to say about anything that the rest of the world is not going to scoff at and see it for the bullshit that it is.



So...back during the Carter years when the NeoCons jumped ship and became Republicans? Congratulations, forty-years later you are now represented by a right-wing Party that betrays conservatism and the country, attacks democracy, and actually tried to steal a Presidential election right in front of your face so that a brainless, treasonous anti-American, anti-conservative, autocrat-wannabe could be comforted. I wonder what the next conspiracy hoax will be that they will promote in order to keep you leashed to their right-wing Party. Simply denigrate a Democrat and they have you. Lame.

You constantly lose even with the most simplest of arguments because you only care abut your Party and jade yourself into thinking that they actually give a **** about you. You are merely a tool to be used, duped, and discarded. Just look how quick Trump was to throw Trump Nation under the bus when they attacked America in his name. Just look at how quick you people betray each other as "rinos" and note that the term is not Conservative In Name Only. You are a so-called conservative in name only because you have no real representation, but have been convinced that being anything other than loyal to them means that you are the enemy. In the end, you duped people became America's weakness, thus its enemy. Those weren't liberals charging the Senators, harassing them through airports, and trying in vain to steal an American election. Those weren't liberals attacking American democracy, attacking American ideological institutions, and siding with Russians against America. Who were they?

You should join the tens of thousands of Republicans who left the new right-wing Party after January 6 and allowed conservatism to actually matter.

you spend your percentage change and I will spend the dollars I keep because of the Trump tax cuts. Only an uneducated liberal believes that 500 billion is the same as 900 billion because the percentage change is the same. Your support for liberalism is appreciated by the bureaucrats who buy votes by keeping people dependent and destroying incentives

 

[MSgt]

The interesting context here being the former president's prediction of GDP reach 4-6% growth, which if the results actual results were compared to the ones he estimated, end up being underwhelming. It's hard to say if the economic growth would have trended downward or upward post 2019 without a pandemic, but for it to reach the projected growth stated, an upward trend in 2019 would have been more reassuring.

Yeah, it's even hard to argue what the GDP in 2019 would have looked like were it not for Trump's tampering in 2017 and in 2018.

One thing we do know is that Trump's significant reduction in government revenue, coupled with massive increases in government spending, did not set the government up for a crisis like 2020.

He was a proven economic moron, and elitist, and a swamp creator well before he brought all of that to the White House and codified it.

 

[MSgt]

Asking for federal aid?

State taxes would go a long way to reducing the burden on the rest of us. Did you not note from the pretty picture that I gave you, the wealth of red-states tat pride themselves on denigrating "socialist" blue-states that tax properly and require less federal aid?

Seems that somebody who actually cared about "personal responsibility," with a seething irrational hatred for socialism, would agree. This is how I know that you don't believe in the partisan nonsense that your right-wing Party has you parrot. Or you do believe in it, but haven't the ability to think any of it through.

What a dumbass response and total ignorant of reality, federal aid comes from Federal mandates created by politicians that buy votes, it goes to all people in the states(liberal or conservative) and is created by legislation, not the President, why don't you get your political leadership to stop supporting that kind of legislation? It is absolutely stunning how people like you ignore the reality that federal mandates are funded by federal tax dollars thanks to Bill Clinton in 1995

Um...they should create legislation that supports the state government with tax money. Taxes should be about defending, bettering, and rescuing the country. <---- Dur.

I also believe that they should demand that states who don't collect state taxes should receive less. You should not be constantly rewarded with my tax money because you refuse to take care of yourselves. You people figure out how to turn the heat on yet? And why exactly does a state that constantly -and officially- threatens to secede thinks that it can simply put its hand out and not receive mockery? It's like Texas refuses to be aware of itself.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yeah, it's even hard to argue what the GDP in 2019 would have looked like were it not for Trump's tampering in 2017 and in 2018.

One thing we do know is that Trump's significant reduction in government revenue, coupled with massive increases in government spending, did not set the government up for a crisis like 2020.

He was a proven economic moron, and elitist, and a swamp creator well before he brought all of that to the White House and codified it.

Not seeing the clear link between pandemic mitigation and economic recovery proved that point very well. From a strategic perspective, placing ones bets solely on a vaccine and blind optimism didn't prove out to be very effective.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

When do you think Biden will start acting like the President and defend our borders, put America first, promote the private sector and stop spending money to buy power and votes?

I have to agree with you, Biden should be going out and playing golf every weekend, he should be mocking disabled reporters, and calling women pigs and other juicy names, he should also admit that Colorado needs a border wall, and that airports were conquered during the revolutionary war, and Biden definitely needs to suck up to Russia more and make friends with Kim Jong-un, and worse, Biden should divorce his wife and marry a show girl and then cheat on her by paying a porn story big bucks.
It is SO shameful Biden can't be half the man Trump is.

 

[ElChupacabra]

State taxes would go a long way to reducing the burden on the rest of us. Did you not note from the pretty picture that I gave you, the wealth of red-states tat pride themselves on denigrating "socialist" blue-states that tax properly and require less federal aid?

Seems that somebody who actually cared about "personal responsibility," with a seething irrational hatred for socialism, would agree. This is how I know that you don't believe in the partisan nonsense that your right-wing Party has you parrot. Or you do believe in it, but haven't the ability to think any of it through.



Um...they should create legislation that supports the state government with tax money. Taxes should be about defending, bettering, and rescuing the country. <---- Dur.

I also believe that they should demand that states who don't collect state taxes should receive less. You should not be constantly rewarded with my tax money because you refuse to take care of yourselves. You people figure out how to turn the heat on yet? And why exactly does a state that constantly -and officially- threatens to secede thinks that it can simply put its hand out and not receive mockery? It's like Texas refuses to be aware of itself.

I think what's always been the predominant factor here is who is the recipient rather than the ideology itself. Clearly, this country's economy is a blend of capitalism and socialism; as are most of the world's largest economies. What's clouded much of the debate here regarding the expansion of social programs are red herring issues about the "unworthy".

 

[MSgt]

Not seeing the clear link between pandemic mitigation and economic recovery proved that point very well. From a strategic perspective, placing ones bets solely on a vaccine and blind optimism didn't prove out to be very effective.

Trump ran a negative campaign against health officials and scientists the entire year, while pretending to be a crusader for a vaccine. He even turned that into a spectacle. He wanted to come off as the asshole his cult likes, while looking like a leader. This is why virtually his entire Presidency was a failure. Can't be a leader and an obtuse malicious prick for extremist politics.

In the meantime, our government was already adding up towards 8$ trillion to the national debt, based on no American project whatsoever, before the government faced a crisis with an empty bank account. To compensate, the Treasury did what it had been doing since 2018 and issued bonds to foreign governments like China. So, despite Trump's anti-Chinese rhetoric and his damaging trade-war crusade, his economic polices benefitted China, which was the only economic power in the world to see GDP growth in 2020.

See? Economic moron. And this was after he spent decades proving how enthusiastic he is for bankruptcy.

 

[MSgt]

When do you think Biden will start acting like the President and defend our borders, put America first, promote the private sector and stop spending money to buy power and votes?

Right-wing propaganda.

1) The record is clear that Trump's defense of the border was more about attacking legal immigration than stopping illegal immigration. While Republican farms routinely hire illegals, Trump fed you yummy horse shit. Biden will do what better Presidents of the past did. The only real difference will be that, like Obama and Bush, Biden will allow kids to stay with their parents while not relying on "build a wall" to dupe people. In the meantime, maybe you can kick one of your Republican dipshits in the ass and demand that he/she work with Democrats, who are on record for acknowledging that reform is necessary.



2) "America first" means not opening the door back up for an Iranian nuke, not handing much of the Middle East over to enemies, not ****ing over the middle-class so that the wealthy can have a pass with taxes, not shrugging off a global pandemic as a local hoax as conservative Americans drop the mask and die, not trying to steal an American election, not pandering to autocrat foreign polices at the expense of allied friendships, and so on. Don't worry about "America First." Better Americans chose that in November, while you chose treachery and treason.

3) Buying votes? You support a "billionaire" who asked Republican governors to find votes and his VP to toss the Electoral College, and you pretend to be concerned about "buying votes?" You support an elitist who admitted to lining the pockets of politicians, thus helping to create the swamp (before you voted for him to drain it), and you pretend to be concerned about "buying votes?" What a joke.

You fool nobody.

 

[Conservative]

Yeah, it's even hard to argue what the GDP in 2019 would have looked like were it not for Trump's tampering in 2017 and in 2018.

One thing we do know is that Trump's significant reduction in government revenue, coupled with massive increases in government spending, did not set the government up for a crisis like 2020.

He was a proven economic moron, and elitist, and a swamp creator well before he brought all of that to the White House and codified it.

Yes it is although 7 million NEW job holders would disagree

Why don't you post that loss of revenue and explain how 2 trillion in tax revenue to fund the discretionary budget of 1.5 trillion causes deficits

You like most liberals have no understanding of the US BUDGET Which has mandatory and a discretionary parts nor do you understand the taxes you pay or their purpose

Keep being duped by liberal rhetoric

 

[AFrench2]

Correct.

 

[MSgt]

I think what's always been the predominant factor here is who is the recipient rather than the ideology itself. Clearly, this country's economy is a blend of capitalism and socialism; as are most of the world's largest economies. What's clouded much of the debate here regarding the expansion of social programs are red herring issues about the "unworthy".

That is exactly the case. From this, they pretend to not understand how easy it is for most to point out the racism involved.

 

[Fiddytree]

An employed Trump did nothing but cause trouble.

 

[Conservative]

Right-wing propaganda.

1) The record is clear that Trump's defense of the border was more about attacking legal immigration than stopping illegal immigration. While Republican farms routinely hire illegals, Trump fed you yummy horse shit. Biden will do what better Presidents of the past did. The only real difference will be that, like Obama and Bush, Biden will allow kids to stay with their parents while not relying on "build a wall" to dupe people. In the meantime, maybe you can kick one of your Republican dipshits in the ass and demand that he/she work with Democrats, who are on record for acknowledging that reform is necessary.

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2) "America first" means not opening the door back up for an Iranian nuke, not handing much of the Middle East over to enemies, not ****ing over the middle-class so that the wealthy can have a pass with taxes, not shrugging off a global pandemic as a local hoax as conservative Americans drop the mask and die, not trying to steal an American election, not pandering to autocrat foreign polices at the expense of allied friendships, and so on. Don't worry about "America First." Better Americans chose that in November, while you chose treachery and treason.

3) Buying votes? You support a "billionaire" who asked Republican governors to find votes and his VP to toss the Electoral College, and you pretend to be concerned about "buying votes?" You support an elitist who admitted to lining the pockets of politicians, thus helping to create the swamp (before you voted for him to drain it), and you pretend to be concerned about "buying votes?" What a joke.

You fool nobody.

I support personal responsibility learn what that means

You keep buying liberal rhetoric and keep losing taxpayers. Liberals love high taxes and the blaming Trump for poor results

When was the last time your state, California or NY had a GOP legislature

When was the last time the top 20 Cities in the country had a GOP mayor

Look in the mirror for the real problem