Bill Maher roasts woke 'presentism': 'A magic moral time machine' where you always win

[anatta]

They is great irony in Mahar's point in that "woke" is a black term with its own definition and white folks took it from them and gave it their own meaning.

Will the pillaging ever stop?

that's one way languages add to their lexicon...what's the problem?

 

[jaeger19]

Thanks to you.


Another woke believer.


Wrong again, because CRT is being taught in schools. Epic fail on your part.

Yes, CRT is taught in K-12 schools. Here’s how. | The College Fix

CRT permeates, informs and influences curricula and pedagogy.

www.thecollegefix.com

The definitive proof critical race theory is being taught in our schools

The education of America's children has taken a sharp turn from reading, math, science into critical race theory despite denials from many on the left.

www.foxnews.com

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Yeah wrong.
Sorry but crt is not being taught in highschools or elementary schools..
Your first article doesn't even know what crt is.
Cripes it basically defines anything that discusses race as " crt".

The second article is about teacher training. Not teaching children.

The irony of both articles is that both opinion pieces you present take tge assumption that crt teaches " white people are bad"..
When ironically crt points out that inequality can occur even when people are not individually racist. In other words..often systemic racism is NOT due to individual or white people being racist.

Sorry but you fail. But I did get a good laugh at your articles which prove my point that the right wing..has no clue what crt is.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I don't think the point is that it's "not evil because a majority normalizes it." I think the point is that we should have a little humility and realize that we are probably doing things today that will seem just as barbaric in 150 years. Probably things that we barely even think about today.

I certainly agree with this, but 150 years ago, many Americans knew that slavery was morally wrong. It wasn't the Bronze Age.

 

[bomberfox]

Really? Let me paraphrase the entire thread:

You: Slavery wasn't invented by white Americans - been around for thousands of years.

Me: Slavery in America was a race-based institution.

You: It's not race-based - there were slaves in the Ottoman empire.

Me: Why would Blacks in the Americas care about whatever the hell happened in the Ottoman Empire? In the Americas, it was race-based.

You: The reason why the American trade slave was race based was because the African kings were enslaving their own and selling them to the Europeans.

Me: And why were the Europeans buying slaves from Africa and not England or France?

You: Because African kings sold their own people.

Me: So this is strictly a supply issue, not an issue of demand.

You: You're moving goal posts.

How am I the one moving the goalposts, lol? You were the one who didn't acknowledge that slavery in the U.S. was race-based. When you finally do acknowledge it, you say it's because Africans created a supply. You conspicuously overlook the obvious, which is that while Europeans created the demand. Even as Europeans fought wars with each other over the centuries, they held prisoners of war, but they had gradually stopped having European (white) slaves. You had to be regarded as subhuman to be a slave. That African peoples capitalized off of the slave trade (and other forms of trade) isn't a surprise - indigenous Americans did the same thing with European settlers.

Portugal as far as i know was the country that started the trans atlantic slave trade by creating a Christian monarchy in Africa and paying royalty to those who then began to capture others. Similarly, the trade of chocolate hands and the making of tributes didnt exist until dutch colonialism.

 

[PoS]

Yeah wrong.
Sorry but crt is not being taught in highschools or elementary schools..
Your first article doesn't even know what crt is.
Cripes it basically defines anything that discusses race as " crt".

The second article is about teacher training. Not teaching children.

The irony of both articles is that both opinion pieces you present take tge assumption that crt teaches " white people are bad"..
When ironically crt points out that inequality can occur even when people are not individually racist. In other words..often systemic racism is NOT due to individual or white people being racist.

Sorry but you fail. But I did get a good laugh at your articles which prove my point that the right wing..has no clue what crt is.

LOL yeah riight. Like we're supposed to believe an internet rando over 2 news articles. You just failed again.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Moses in the Bible/Exodus, 3500 years ago: PHAROAH LET MY PEOPLE GO MFER

Founding father Christian Bible-reading slaveowners in 1776: I'm sure God's totally cool with me owning all these Blacks and me reaping the wealth provided by their labor under the force of my WHIP.

Bill Maher in 2022: HOW DARE YOU WOKISTS JUDGE THE RACIST OPPRESSORS, IT WAS COOL BACK THEN. HOW COULD THEY HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN IT WAS WRONG??? STUPID WOKISTS

Also, real "Libertarian" position, arguing that the wokists are somehow judging the slavers too harshly.

Were there abolitionists in 18th C America? Yes.

Giving people a pass on this because "they didn't know any better" oversimplifies both history and ethics.

 

[beancounter]

The biggest problem I encounter is that the 2020 Liberal has this " you're either 100 percent with me, or you're 100 percent against me" mentality. From their perspective, this "1980s Liberal" might as well be a Nazi.

 

[jaeger19]

LOL yeah riight. Like we're supposed to believe an internet rando over 2 news articles. You just failed again.

Well. I get my information from those that actually founded crt. Those that were taught crt and those that teach crt.
NOT from a couple of right wingers that don't know a thing about crt.
Here is something for your edification on crt.

What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

Here's what you need to understand about the academic concept—and how it's portrayed in political circles.

www.edweek.org

 

[jaeger19]

The biggest problem I encounter is that the 2020 Liberal has this " you're either 100 percent with me, or you're 100 percent against me" mentality. From their perspective, this "1980s Liberal" might as well be a Nazi.

Actually it appears that it's the 2020 right wing that is either or.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The country did not have to allow the colony to have slavery to survive. They only needed it to have a wealthy ruling class to lord over the rest of the country like they still had in Europe.

The good news ignores 100 years of Jim Crow.

Traditional practices often change slowly. After all, slavery is mentioned (and condoned?) in the Bible. Note how long it took to establish a federal minimum wage and the FLSA.

While it’s fine to be upset about how long a given change took, it’s worth noting that it happened.

 

[noonereal]

I can't stand the little guy Maher but his awful name does not stop popping up.

 

[ecofarm]

The thing is, no matter how far back I go in history, I can find people who were not racists. So the racists really have no excuse, no matter when they were. The whole "it was okay to be racist back then" is racist bs. Those same racists will tell you it's okay to be racist today.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Nobody in the history of arguing about slavery has ever argued that slavery was unique to America.

"Presentism" is also a shit argument.

Normalizing the behavior of oppressors does a ****ing disservice to their victims.

You know who knew slavery was wrong and evil? The ****ing slaves and abolitionists. Kinda why the slaves wanted to run away and shit.

Is true evil actually NOT evil because a majority normalizes it? Do we excuse the Holocaust and say, well, ****, it was cool and shit cause the vast majoruty of Germans hated Jews or at least found anti Semitism to be acceptable?

Hell, the Founders wrote flowing poetry about liberty, justice, and equality while they were treating Blacks as less than human, because to admit their intellectual hypocrisy would be against their own interests.

Actually it kind of sounds like you want to feel superior to everyone else by taking a non controversial position today and claiming you would’ve been the fearless abolitionist in the past. This vulgar and nonsensical tirade is just you trying to feel superior to others

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It's not silly and woke when the system of slavery is largely race-based, which is what it was throughout the Americas and the Caribbean. It's historical fact. Sure you had some indebted and indentured white servants but slavery refers to condition of being treated as human property. It was institutionally racist, as were the attempts to strip Blacks of political power and equal protection under the law once the Civil War ended.

You wanna know what's dumber than wokeness? Complaining about wokeness. People were complaining about "political correctness" in the 1990s - "woke" is the updated version of "political correctness." Nothing more than a refurbished grievance by whites that they're getting called out and held accountable for their bigoted and intolerant attitudes.

Why does being race based make one form of slavery worse then another? That sounds like a distinction written up for the sole cause of denigrating the United States and to a lesser extent countries of the former British and Spanish empires

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Apparently a majority of American college students believes it.

Most college students think America invented slavery, professor finds | The College Fix

‘They are convinced that slavery was an American problem.’…

www.thecollegefix.com

You can thank woke professors for that.


Youre missing the point. Maher claims that owning slaves was normal in the past and he's right. It was accepted by society in general.



The abolitionist movement only started at around the 17th Century during the enlightenment, so all youre

Not correct, abolitionism begun in Catholic intellectual circles in the 15th century, it was not a product of the so-called “enlightenment”.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Where was Maher's humility when he called Christopher Columbus "atrocious?" By his own reasoning, he should have used a word to describe how genocide and slavery were acceptable norms for the time (whatever that would be).

He’s a little hypocritical if he said that, because most allegations against Columbus are lies and Columbus was a great Christian hero and the premier self educated Navigator of his time

 

[Taylor]

"woke" is a black term with its own definition and white folks took it from them and gave it their own meaning.

Will the pillaging ever stop?

Do black mermaids piss you off, too?

 

[PoS]

Well. I get my information from those that actually founded crt. Those that were taught crt and those that teach crt.
NOT from a couple of right wingers that don't know a thing about crt.
Here is something for your edification on crt.

What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

Here's what you need to understand about the academic concept—and how it's portrayed in political circles.

www.edweek.org

LOL and you fell for their propaganda. I bet you also believe anything Putin says too.

 

[jaeger19]

LOL and you fell for their propaganda. I bet you also believe anything Putin says too.

Well no. What putin says if for right wingers.
However.. lets get this straight. So you think that the people best able to tell you what CRT is.. are the people that don;t know what CRT is..
And the people that founded CRT, that teach CRT and that were taught CRT are in no way in a position to tell you what CRT is and what it is not.?

Come now... the only one following propaganda here is you. CRT is just a right wing dog whistle.. and you fell for it.

 

[PoS]

Well no. What putin says if for right wingers.
However.. lets get this straight. So you think that the people best able to tell you what CRT is.. are the people that don;t know what CRT is..
And the people that founded CRT, that teach CRT and that were taught CRT are in no way in a position to tell you what CRT is and what it is not.?

Come now... the only one following propaganda here is you. CRT is just a right wing dog whistle.. and you fell for it.

There are already reports that CRT is being taught in schools. Ive shown you the links. Care to refute them? I didnt think so.

Now go pucker up to Putin since you believe all gubmint propaganda.

 

[Paradoxical]

Yeah wrong.
Sorry but crt is not being taught in highschools or elementary schools..
Your first article doesn't even know what crt is.
Cripes it basically defines anything that discusses race as " crt".

The second article is about teacher training. Not teaching children.

The irony of both articles is that both opinion pieces you present take tge assumption that crt teaches " white people are bad"..
When ironically crt points out that inequality can occur even when people are not individually racist. In other words..often systemic racism is NOT due to individual or white people being racist.

Sorry but you fail. But I did get a good laugh at your articles which prove my point that the right wing..has no clue what crt is.

I know what it is. It is whatever jaeger 19 says it is. Just like the Democratic party. A recession is what they say it is. The border is secure because they say it is. Republicans are fascists because they proclaim it to be so.

 

[jaeger19]

There are already reports that CRT is being taught in schools. Ive shown you the links. Care to refute them? I didnt think so.

Now go pucker up to Putin since you believe all gubmint propaganda.

Those aren't reports if crt in Schools.
Your links are opinion pieces by people that demonstrate they don't know what crt
is...... getting their panties in a wad over nothing.
As far as gubmint propoganda.?

Wtf are you talking about.?
My sources are from people that have taught crt..founded crt ..and or have been taught crt.

Your sources are political pundits.

Not to mention that the people that believe crt is being taught in schools..like trump..
Also believe putin when he says that he didn't meddle in the 2016 election. Despite us intelligence agencies confirming it.

 

[jaeger19]

I know what it is. It is whatever jaeger 19 says it is. Just like the Democratic party. A recession is what they say it is. The border is secure because they say it is. Republicans are fascists because they proclaim it to be so.

Well jaeger19 is pretty much correct because rather than simply believing whatever comes out of the mouths of political pundits..
He actually goes and does research to find out facts.
Which is why he can back up what he says with sources.

 

[Paradoxical]

Well jaeger19 is pretty much correct because rather than simply believing whatever comes out of the mouths of political pundits..
He actually goes and does research to find out facts.
Which is why he can back up what he says with sources.

While you're at research, you might want to research the definition of what a conservative is.

 

[PoS]

Those aren't reports if crt in Schools.
Your links are opinion pieces by people that demonstrate they don't know what crt
is...... getting their panties in a wad over nothing.
As far as gubmint propoganda.?

Wtf are you talking about.?
My sources are from people that have taught crt..founded crt ..and or have been taught crt.

Your sources are political pundits.

Not to mention that the people that believe crt is being taught in schools..like trump..
Also believe putin when he says that he didn't meddle in the 2016 election. Despite us intelligence agencies confirming it.

Wrong again. There are links in both articles that point directly to examples of CRT being taught in schools. All youve proven is that you didnt read them.

Your silly Jussie Smollett tactic isnt fooling anyone. Nobody believes you, so give it up.