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Are Herman Cain’s 15 minutes finally over?

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It seems Herman Cain isn't quite as pro-life as he would have you believe.


Posted at 11:42 AM ET, 10/20/2011

Are Herman Cain’s 15 minutes finally over?

By Jonathan Bernstein

Last night, Herman Cain made a big splash when he backed into pro-choice language on abortion last night on CNN — apparently by accident — when he said he is personally fully against abortion but doesn’t think that the government should tell women what to do. This is already shaping up as a very big deal. Cain is leading in some polls, so other Republicans may use this slip up to try to take him down, and he’ll have to address it.

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Are Herman Cain's 15 minutes finally over? - The Plum Line - The Washington Post
 
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oh hell no
he has more books to sell; more speeches to give (for a price)
the perfect self-serving republican candidate
 
His 15 minutes might not be over, but any chance of him getting my vote is.
 
I don't see anything wrong with his stance. A constitutional conservative shouldn't, either. Given the flip-flops from Romney, the crazy that is Bachmann and Santorum, and Perry's inability to debate well I see no reason why this issue should be just cause for his "15 minutes" to end.
 
tessaesque said:
I don't see anything wrong with his stance. A constitutional conservative shouldn't, either. Given the flip-flops from Romney, the crazy that is Bachmann and Santorum, and Perry's inability to debate well I see no reason why this issue should be just cause for his "15 minutes" to end.
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There are certain issues that True Conservatives (not necessarily constitutional conservatives) will not abide dissent on. Abortion is one. The 2nd Amendment is another.
 
Cain's inability to defend his various proposals and constant reliance on 'I was just joking' should have been enough to end his 15 minutes, but I'm thinking time is short and the TP crowd has run out of candidates.... they may well settle behind this guy regardless of gaffes and lack of substance.
 
Nah, he's got another week or so to go. He's currently the top rated of the candidates in the polls, but yeah, he's obviously falling apart.
 
Tigger said:
There are certain issues that True Conservatives (not necessarily constitutional conservatives) will not abide dissent on. Abortion is one. The 2nd Amendment is another.
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I think "true conservative" and its definition are up for debate. Most logical voters will realize that there are certain battles which are far more important to society as a whole than others. I'm more concerned with making sure my grandchildren have a chance to succeed than I am with most other things.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
Cain's inability to defend his various proposals and constant reliance on 'I was just joking' should have been enough to end his 15 minutes, but I'm thinking time is short and the TP crowd has run out of candidates.... they may well settle behind this guy regardless of gaffes and lack of substance.
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Not sure what interviews you've watched, but I've seen him defend his positions repetitively, and quite well...on numerous occasions. I'd love to see what you've seen, though...if you'd be willing to link me to some of those interviews/transcripts, etc.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
Cain's inability to defend his various proposals and constant reliance on 'I was just joking' should have been enough to end his 15 minutes, but I'm thinking time is short and the TP crowd has run out of candidates.... they may well settle behind this guy regardless of gaffes and lack of substance.
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Obama has been getting away with, "Oh, I mis-spoke", for years.
 
tessaesque said:
Not sure what interviews you've watched, but I've seen him defend his positions repetitively, and quite well...on numerous occasions. I'd love to see what you've seen, though...if you'd be willing to link me to some of those interviews/transcripts, etc.
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Here is an article about his flip-flopping on Muslims and terrorists:
Herman Cain's ever-shifting Muslim position - Baltimore Sun

There was another part of Cain that bothered me, which I hadn’t seen until last night. He’s still trying to find a way to defend his TARP support. Is TARP worth defending? I’ve consistently made the case that it is not. Cain’s defense stands on an indefensible premise: “I agreed with the concept but not the implementation.”

This defense revealed to me a personality trait about Herman Cain that I cannot defend. It is the same personality trait you find in any big government supporter: They will support things on paper that look good when they throw in their biased assumptions, and when its real world application fails, they blame the implementation ignoring the fact that human nature must be part of the equation.

It’s not dissimilar to the argument that Communism works if you get the right people to do it. Well, the problem is that people are going to be people, and if people can bring the whole thing tumbling down simply by being themselves, then you’re doomed from the outset.
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Herman Cain is Losing Me | RedState
I can get you a link to a video of Cain calling TARP a win-win if you want. It is part of a Ron Paul ad.

Cain has repeatedly said that his 999 tax plan will not raise taxes on the poor or middle class. Economists nearly universally disagree saying it will raise taxes on most of the poor, all of the middle while giving the rich a windfall. When asked for verification, he has ignored requests and when ask in person he has told people to go to his website. Could you please provide me with a link where he has actually shown how his 999 plan will not raise the taxes on the middle and most poor taxpayers?
Herman Cain's 9-9-9 Tax Reform Plan; Baseline: Current Policy; Fully Phased in Distribution of Federal Tax Change by Cash Income Percentile
 
The man is toast.

The flopping around in this is unbelievable.



I don't think he ever had a chance in the GOP primary. I think he was always a temporary flavor of the week. Just as Bachmann and Perry were. His stance on abortion in that vid along with his flopping around on the Guantanamo thing... He's done. Watch him plummet. The only thing keeping him from dropping like a rock is that the GOP can't decide who the flavor of this week is just yet. Bachmann had hers. Perry had his. They won't back Ron Paul. They are ho hum on Mitt Romney, Gary Johnson is too much like Ron Paul for them to back, Santorum will never move up (thank God) and Gingrich is a has been who trips on his tongue only slight less than Herman Cain so that excludes the bulk from moving up. I actually think Jon Huntsman might make a late run some time.
 
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pbrauer said:
It seems Herman Cain isn't quite as pro-life as he would have you believe.


Posted at 11:42 AM ET, 10/20/2011

Are Herman Cain’s 15 minutes finally over?

By Jonathan Bernstein

Last night, Herman Cain made a big splash when he backed into pro-choice language on abortion last night on CNN — apparently by accident — when he said he is personally fully against abortion but doesn’t think that the government should tell women what to do. This is already shaping up as a very big deal. Cain is leading in some polls, so other Republicans may use this slip up to try to take him down, and he’ll have to address it.

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Are Herman Cain's 15 minutes finally over? - The Plum Line - The Washington Post
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**** - is Palin's?
 
poweRob said:
The man is toast.

The flopping around in this is unbelievable.



I don't think he ever had a chance in the GOP primary. I think he was always a temporary flavor of the week. Just as Bachmann and Perry were. His stance on abortion in that vid along with his flopping around on the Guantanamo thing... He's done. Watch him plummet. The only thing keeping him from dropping like a rock is that the GOP can't decide who the flavor of this week is just yet. Bachmann had hers. Perry had his. They won't back Ron Paul. They are ho hum on Mitt Romney, Gary Johnson is too much like Ron Paul for them to back, Santorum will never move up (thank God) and Gingrich is a has been who trips on his tongue only slight less than Herman Cain so that excludes the bulk from moving up. I actually think Jon Huntsman might make a late run some time.
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There's three guys trading the lead at the top of the pack right now with no clear breakaway candidate.
 
Herman Cain is losing, because he is becoming a one policy candidate, and he is not able to defend that policy. My hope is that he reforms some of his proposals, for instance he could make his 999 plan progressive, and start talking about other topics. Don't think people are going to leave him yet, because there isn't any other candidates left. He is the most viable non-establishment candidate for the election, but he needs to improve his strategy.

Rick Perry is also losing, because he can't debate, and he is a very polarizing figure. In fact when he was leading, he was doing much worse than Herman Cain. I don't think he is going to learn to debate any time soon, even though he may improve.

Mitt Romney will probably win, because the voters will split themselves among Rick Perry, Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann. But he is a terrible candidate who should never become President. If Mitt Romney gets the nomination, I will support Obama. I have never seen a weaker GOP field than today, and it's kind of weird that Republicans seem unable to find a proper candidate. Why is there no candidate with the opinions and style of Mitt Romney, but who actually believe what he is saying, and has not implemented Obamacare?
 
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Camlon said:
Herman Cain is losing, because he is becoming a one policy candidate, and he is not able to defend that policy. My hope is that he reforms some of his proposals, for instance he could make his 999 plan progressive, and start talking about other topics. Don't think people are going to leave him yet, because there isn't any other candidates left. He is the most viable non-establishment candidate for the election, but he needs to improve his strategy.

Rick Perry is also losing, because he can't debate, and he is a very polarizing figure. In fact when he was leading, he was doing much worse than Herman Cain. I don't think he is going to learn to debate any time soon, even though he may improve.

Mitt Romney will probably win, because the voters will split themselves among Rick Perry, Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann. But he is a terrible candidate who should never become President. If Mitt Romney gets the nomination, I will support Obama. I have never seen a weaker GOP field than today, and it's kind of weird that Republicans seem unable to find a proper candidate. Why is there no candidate with the opinions and style of Mitt Romney, but who actually believe what he is saying, and has not implemented Obamacare?
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Barnum and Bailey has only half as many clowns as the Republican Party...
 
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upsideguy said:
Barnum and Bailey has only half as many clowns as the Republican Party...
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I mention this before but I usually see each debate like this.



Anyway, bachmann NH campaign left her yesterday so we can only hope.
 
Camlon said:
Why is there no candidate with the opinions and style of Mitt Romney, but who actually believe what he is saying, and has not implemented Obamacare?
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There is. His name's Jon Huntsman, and he's got no chance of winning the nomination.
 
I think we would do well not to make snap judgements based on one issue because if we all did we would have no one left to run against Obama whom people that can think for themselves have a host of issues with.

As long as Conservatives maintain control of the House and Gain Control of the Senate we have nothing to worry about with one or even two issues.
 
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If we're still talking about his fifteen minutes, then they're obviously not up yet. We will see what we will see.
 
Zona said:
True. This way we will see how Herb Cain feels aout things THIS week.
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First off, calling him Herb Cain is horrible. I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant, and respectful towards other people.

However, you may not have noticed, but he has modified his 999 plan, so it is more progressive. A lot of the criticism of the plan, will be moot.
 
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