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Are hardcore Trump supporters much different than hardcore Obama supporters?

Are hardcore Trump supporters much different than hardcore Obama supporters?


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Specifying "hardcore" for a reason, but you all decide for yourselves what that means (sure as ****, someone's going to criticize me for not defining "hardcore"). I was listening to the radio about that guy admitting (bragging?) that some significant liberties in selling the U.S. and Iran deal and my thought was that it won't make a bit of difference to die hard Obama supporters. The last time I thought that was regarding Trump supporters and I started wondering if hardcore Obama supporters are really the same types of people as hardcore Trump supporters just with different politics. I think a case could be made.

Incidently, I see a total difference with Hillary supporters. They generally seem to be more willing to acknowledge faults/mistakes.

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How about are hardcore Reagan supporters like hardcore Obama supporters?

I mean, if we are going to talk about honesty and Iran...
 

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How about are hardcore Reagan supporters like hardcore Obama supporters?

I mean, if we are going to talk about honesty and Iran...

Totally amused by the deflection. You can sure start a thread about that and you don't even need to give me credit.




If this thread makes you feel defensive, you might be "hardcore". :lol:
 
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Yes, and no.

Both feel that their support is making a statement.

Trump supporters know who he is, and hear what he says; they just don't care. He is supported warts and all. The ends justifies the means.

Obama supporters don't know who he is or hear what he says. They are content with what they are spoon fed and ignore the rest.
 

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No difference. Both were swept up by the shiny bling of celebrity-like candidates who were very long on soaring rhetoric and almost completely void of substantive ideas.
 

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No difference. Both were swept up by the shiny bling of celebrity-like candidates who were very long on soaring rhetoric and almost completely void of substantive ideas.
Well yeah, Obama's ideas were mostly just rhetoric. He never really delivered on much of what he said he was going to do.
 

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Well yeah, Obama's ideas were mostly just rhetoric. He never really delivered on much of what he said he was going to do.

That, and in 2008 he had pretty much zero knowledge of anything he was talking about. Like Trump.
 

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Specifying "hardcore" for a reason, but you all decide for yourselves what that means (sure as ****, someone's going to criticize me for not defining "hardcore"). I was listening to the radio about that guy admitting (bragging?) that some significant liberties in selling the U.S. and Iran deal and my thought was that it won't make a bit of difference to die hard Obama supporters. The last time I thought that was regarding Trump supporters and I started wondering if hardcore Obama supporters are really the same types of people as hardcore Trump supporters just with different politics. I think a case could be made.

Incidently, I see a total difference with Hillary supporters. They generally seem to be more willing to acknowledge faults/mistakes.

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you have to define what comparable "significant liberties" and in what situation, that trump supporters are giving up, and it wouldn't hurt to quote obama's actual words not that the Rush Limbaugh AM radio show is prone too exaggerate or anything :lol:
 

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I think both groups want (ed) change, something different. Problem is, neither, and that includes Mrs. Clinton, will deliver.
This election isn't much different than those before. Party, power, corruption, counting the votes before they are cast, pulling the wool over people's eyes.
 

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Well yeah, Obama's ideas were mostly just rhetoric. He never really delivered on much of what he said he was going to do.

I feel this will be the same with Trump but possibly worse. I'm not sure one insanity that comes out of his mouth is something he actually intends to do.
And he'll probably win the Nobel Peace prize for not doing it to.
Though, personally, I do think the President has accomplished some things (not nearly enough but some), things we like or not notwithstanding. I would be interested to see, if the insanity continues and Trump takes the office, a comparison list of what was done by each of them. Side by side.
 

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No difference. Both were swept up by the shiny bling of celebrity-like candidates who were very long on soaring rhetoric and almost completely void of substantive ideas.

community organizer/first term senator a celebrity?

an orange buffoon long on soaring rhetoric?

don't think so
 

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Is it even an insulting or a bad thing to say that there isn't much of a difference?
 

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That, and in 2008 he had pretty much zero knowledge of anything he was talking about. Like Trump.
Eh, I believe he did have knowledge about what he has talking about, but I don't think he ever had intentions of carrying most of it out.
 

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community organizer/first term senator a celebrity?

an orange buffoon long on soaring rhetoric?

don't think so

I agree that Obama was not a celebrity prior to the presidential race but it sure made him one. That's really not any kind of a knock on him, he was new and interesting enough that people wanted to know more about him. No amount of press could make John McCain or Romney a celeb.
 

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Eh, I believe he did have knowledge about what he has talking about, but I don't think he ever had intentions of carrying it out.

for the most part, i believe he was well intended

but he was very naive, as he has admitted recently, and it took his first term to finally realize that the republicans were not going to play ball
 

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Specifying "hardcore" for a reason, but you all decide for yourselves what that means (sure as ****, someone's going to criticize me for not defining "hardcore"). I was listening to the radio about that guy admitting (bragging?) that some significant liberties in selling the U.S. and Iran deal and my thought was that it won't make a bit of difference to die hard Obama supporters. The last time I thought that was regarding Trump supporters and I started wondering if hardcore Obama supporters are really the same types of people as hardcore Trump supporters just with different politics. I think a case could be made.

Incidently, I see a total difference with Hillary supporters. They generally seem to be more willing to acknowledge faults/mistakes.

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Both groups of supporters have a strong vision for the country. Hardcore Trump supporters are backing someone who will not live up to his rhetoric if elected and hardcore Obama supporters backed someone who did not live up to his record. Hardcore Trump supporters dismiss Trump's faults just as hardcore Obama supporters did when he was elected in 2008. Over the last two terms of Obama's presidency, however, many of those hardcore supporters have become more aware of (and willing to acknowledge) Obama's faults. If Trump is elected, then I expect the same thing to happen with his hardcore supporters.

Long story short, I do think that hardcore Obama supporters and hardcore Trump supporters are similar, not in terms of politics, of course, but in terms of their blind belief in and commitment to their politician of choice. I can't say I blame either group though. I think a lot of Americans have been having a hard time getting by in the last decade or so. Many Americans are dealing with financial issues, discrimination issues and other problems so when someone comes a long who gives them hope in an otherwise bleak reality, I understand why they would "cling" to the person who promises a better future.

Still, even though I understand hardcore supporters of any candidate, it's scary to see people blindly follow anyone. That's a very dangerous road.
 
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All hardcore supporters of any candidate are the same, that's why they're hardcore. Kinda in the definition.

Anything said in here about 'hardcore' OBama/Trump fans could be said about hardcore anyone fans. It is true that Obama/Trump have more hardcore fans than most other politicians, and that's down to charisma.
 

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community organizer/first term senator a celebrity?

an orange buffoon long on soaring rhetoric?

don't think so

Celebrity-like.
Obama wasn't chosen based on his vast experience. He was chosen because he was appealing.
 

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Is it even an insulting or a bad thing to say that there isn't much of a difference?

Well its wrong first of all, second of all neither group would support that statement, so your admitting you are neither a hardcore hillary/obama or trump supporter, and that this a criticism of them (or just one of them), and since you didn't state what you are, in opposition to them, its a dishonest criticism
 

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Specifying "hardcore" for a reason, but you all decide for yourselves what that means (sure as ****, someone's going to criticize me for not defining "hardcore"). I was listening to the radio about that guy admitting (bragging?) that some significant liberties in selling the U.S. and Iran deal and my thought was that it won't make a bit of difference to die hard Obama supporters. The last time I thought that was regarding Trump supporters and I started wondering if hardcore Obama supporters are really the same types of people as hardcore Trump supporters just with different politics. I think a case could be made.

Incidently, I see a total difference with Hillary supporters. They generally seem to be more willing to acknowledge faults/mistakes.
It doesn't matter how many explanations and/or disclaimers you put in, there will always be some nimrod who will come along and criticize something just to be argumentative and to amuse them self.

Anyway, to your question: I saw Obama supporters at the time honestly believing what Obama said. I can live with that. On the other hand, I see Trump supporters as being desperately hopeful that he won't be a total destructive douche in office. Cross their fingers, if you will. That's just... sad. :(


That, and in 2008 he had pretty much zero knowledge of anything he was talking about. Like Trump.
Eh, I believe he did have knowledge about what he has talking about, but I don't think he ever had intentions of carrying most of it out.
I think he had definitive ideas, and even wanted to do them. Where he fell off the boat was his lack of experience and his lack of established relationships in the Senate.

I do believe he would have been a better President had he waited and had another Senate term (preferably two) under his belt.


I think both groups want (ed) change, something different. Problem is, neither, and that includes Mrs. Clinton, will deliver.
This election isn't much different than those before. Party, power, corruption, counting the votes before they are cast, pulling the wool over people's eyes.
"Change", in any substantive respect, is pretty much impossible from just one office, even the Office of President. To get real change the change from the voters is going to have to run deep.
 

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"Change", in any substantive respect, is pretty much impossible from just one office, even the Office of President. To get real change the change from the voters is going to have to run deep.

But the Obama campaign ran on hope and change, Trump runs on change for being an "outsider". I call BS on both. Agenda driven, power hungry drivel hovers over both candidates and their backers.
 

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Eh, I believe he did have knowledge about what he has talking about, but I don't think he ever had intentions of carrying most of it out.

I think for some things he did. I believe he was incredibly naïve about other things. He should have spent a few more terms in Senate learning about how the government works, studying foreign policy, finding out how realistic his Gitmo plan was, etc.
 

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I think he had definitive ideas, and even wanted to do them. Where he fell off the boat was his lack of experience and his lack of established relationships in the Senate.

I do believe he would have been a better President had he waited and had another Senate term (preferably two) under his belt.

Yup and yup.
 

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I think for some things he did. I believe he was incredibly naïve about other things. He should have spent a few more terms in Senate learning about how the government works, studying foreign policy, finding out how realistic his Gitmo plan was, etc.
Just like any other President and person, really, I think its a mixed bag. I think he was possibly misguided or simply didn't think some things through and I think he was blatantly dishonest about other things.
Unfortunately, dishonesty bugs the crap out of me in my leaders.
 
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